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Aesquire
Posted on Friday, December 19, 2014 - 06:53 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Well said.
Food for thought from someone with clear perspective.
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Ft_bstrd
Posted on Friday, December 19, 2014 - 07:14 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Thank you Roderick for your perspective.

I too believe that relations with Cuba should be normalized but not unconditionally and not unilaterally by a rogue president.
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Reepicheep
Posted on Friday, December 19, 2014 - 08:40 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I'm a little torn also. On one hand, I hate to engage with thugs, be they individuals or governments.

On the other hand, we are right. We have justice and truth on our side. So not engaging is just taking justice and truth further from people that need it.

I could probably figure out how to run a dictatorial despotic government and maintain control over my people. It would be awful and evil, but it could be done.

I'm not sure how I could do that with engagement of my people with non tyrannical governments. Heck, just giving them Internet access is probably enough to screw me and make it impossible to control people in the long term.

All I've decided at this point is that there is no simple answer...
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Hootowl
Posted on Friday, December 19, 2014 - 10:06 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

"just giving them Internet access is probably enough"

The long time prisoner Cuba just released was imprisoned for doing exactly that.
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Reepicheep
Posted on Friday, December 19, 2014 - 11:21 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Imprisoning people for letting somebody shoulder surf their smart phone will put quite the crimp in western tourism... : )

Besides, cuban cigars aren't what they used to be anyway. The best cuban cigar I get these days comes from the Dominican Republic (for about $2.50 a stick! Yum!)
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Bob_thompson
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I understand that after Obamas last press conference for the year later today he's heading on a 17 day vacation to Hawaii. Isn't that great! AND just maybe his route will take him over the Bermuda Triangle. YA! Let the cool aid drinkers rants begin.
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Oldog
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just maybe his route will take him over the Bermuda Triangle.

Sorry Wrong ocean.

I get the idea.... (+2) }
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Bob_thompson
Posted on Friday, December 19, 2014 - 03:54 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Jim (Oldog), wrong ocean is correct but leaving from D.C. I thought he might just want to fly over more "friendly" territory like the gulf & Mexico while heading southwesterly being way more friendly then flying over our western states.
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