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     Fredfast |
"At the root of your issue, is that you want what someone else has without the drive, ambition, or talent to obtain it. Therefore you want to elect those who would take from those who have and give it to you." Your assumption is without merit. I've managed to earn a middle class living as a carpenter with a pension shelving my college degree for a more 'honest' living. Don't ever imply that I got something for nothing. I spilled blood building a house to raise my family. Did you? | ||
| Fb1 |
From an e-mail from Allen West just now:
Allen West for President? Yes, please, says this old, disgusted white guy. | ||
| Reindog |
FFF has already made the same baseless arguments years ago through his alternate Badweb account. This is repetitive, troll-like behavior that hasn't added one iota of knowledge to this thread. However, it did have the benefit of flushing Fat_Bastard out of his bunker. Badweb is fortunate to have a number of caring, and reasoned Conservative thinkers. The same can not be said of the Leftist side which is disappointing. Lies, emotions, and class envy seem to permeate the thinking of the Left. Its a damn shame. FFF: Pwnzor is correct. Start seriously contributing or take it elsewhere. You are boring. | ||
| Fredfast |
"We are talking right and wrong." The difference in our opinions regarding what is right and what is wrong probably has a lot to do with how we were raised. | ||
| Fredfast |
"You are boring." And you said not long ago that I was entertaining. Just ignore me then. If passing insults is your game, I can play that too. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
Your assumption is without merit. I've managed to earn a middle class living as a carpenter with a pension shelving my college degree for a more 'honest' living. Don't ever imply that I got something for nothing. I spilled blood building a house to raise my family. Did you? Didn't need to. I stayed out of trouble, didn't knock anyone up, didn't drink, didn't do drugs, was of at least average intelligence, went to public school, went to a modest college and worked my ass off using my mind instead of my back. There isn't a manual laborer who wouldn't trade places with someone utilizing their mind to make a living. It's the proletariat that seeks to exemplify menial labor as virtuous while eschewing success as vice. How does Warren Buffett prevent you from living the life you choose? Bill Gates? How does someone with wealth prevent you from having any? Your organized labor indoctrination is showing. | ||
| Court |
quote{I'll show you millionaires with off shore accounts (Romney anybody?)} Let me offer you another MILLIONAIRE with off shore holdings . . . BARACK OBAMA. Oooops . . . . .you can't catch a break faced with facts. http://hotair.com/greenroom/archives/2012/10/18/tr ouble-in-paradise-obama-has-offshore-investments-i n-cayman-islands/ By the way . . . one of my good friends has income of about $2,500,000 per month . . . she didn't inherit it. May she keep it? I'd be seriously interested in knowing your take. She has interests in construction . . . started with nothing and built over 35 "skyscrapers" in NYC. Her dad was smart enough to keep 5% (he was a carpenter from a poor family) of all the jobs they did. She, as an example, and her other 5 family members each get $185,000 per month off one of the buildings. Is that too much? Be mindful . . it's about what A-Rod makes for a game. Your problem is that you are trying to choose not WHY . .but WHO gets to be rich. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
Lenin advocated eating the rich. Kill the few to feed the many. How is advocating the confiscation of wealth any different, Fred? | ||
| Oldog |
Not true. Almost all are wealthy because they inherited. I am at a loss, My current employer started with a high school diploma right out of HS. What He saved in the USMC, after 2 tours of Vietnam, He at nearly 70 years old still works 70+ hours WK when we are busy at times putting in 16+ hour days, In 2011 he built the most advanced cross tie plant in the world, In hope AR 7 days wk 12 hours each day heat at times 120F+ running a crew of 12, for about 18 months, I built the control system, and put in similar time here and in the field but not like he did, so you say that >> the wealthy inherit << Bill Clinton was born near HOPE AR, I promise you he was not born into wealth, he earned it, I am personally acquainted with one of his child hood friends he to is wealthy, also not born into it... So I say to you on your >> the wealthy inherit << BULL -S**T ! FF do your self a favor before your beloved clueless leader disarms you takes all that you have and puts you in a tent some where, pay attention YOU ARE BEING LIED TO BY YOUR DEMOCRATIC POLITICOS BARRY AND HIS ILK ARE NOT YOUR FRIENDS.....}} Their grand social experiment has failed on 2 continents, and several countries. Russia Cuba East Germany Hungary Poland ( most of eastern europe ) Greece what makes you think it is going to work here? | ||
| Fredfast |
Their grand social experiment has failed on 2 continents, and several countries. Russia Cuba East Germany Hungary Poland ( most of eastern europe ) Greece what makes you think it is going to work here?" You don't read too good. Maybe you've been victim of Mad Dogs diatribes. Where have I espoused communism. Go back and find it for me. Then talk to me about the social experiments of Germany, Denmark, Sweden, Norway, Great Britain, yes and even France. | ||
| Fredfast |
"I'd be seriously interested in knowing your take. She has interests in construction . . . started with nothing and built over 35 "skyscrapers" in NYC." There's something your not telling me. Or maybe there's something she's not telling you. | ||
| Fredfast |
"There isn't a manual laborer who wouldn't trade places with someone utilizing their mind to make a living." That's mighty pompous of you. | ||
| Ducbsa |
Most inherited? Maybe not; I count 12 out of 29 here who inherited: http://www.forbes.com/sites/briansolomon/2013/03/0 4/the-worlds-youngest-billionaires-23-under-40/4/ Maybe you could count just the Americans who didn't inherit or look at an all-ages list. The % might be higher. This "most inherit" is a handy myth for the fairness crowd. Help your assertions, use verifiable facts. | ||
| Reindog |
Don't feed the troll. | ||
| Sifo |
"We are talking right and wrong." The difference in our opinions regarding what is right and what is wrong probably has a lot to do with how we were raised. Well, I'm asking for your opinion. So far all you've done is recite how the current system works. The odd thing is that you've done so in a way that sounded like you think it needs to be changed to work that way. You've done nothing to answer my question though... Why should you not be allowed to pass your wealth to whom you wish? There isn't a manual laborer who wouldn't trade places with someone utilizing their mind to make a living. Actually F_b, I'm an example of someone who has bounced back and forth between those worlds numerous times. I am in the minority though. You don't read too good. Maybe you've been victim of Mad Dogs diatribes. Where have I espoused communism. Go back and find it for me. You have certainly danced around it on the confiscation of wealth issue. Of course you refuse to tell us what your really think. Please do tell us or go away. | ||
| Xdigitalx |
Everyone can not have an ocean view. But maybe they can make it law that no one can have ocean view .... seal up all the windows then it will be equal for everyone ... unless you want to factor height/floor levels into it. But... it be a pretty boring place imho. | ||
| Glitch |
There isn't a manual laborer who wouldn't trade places with someone utilizing their mind to make a living. While I understand your point, that statement is wrong. I know plenty of farmers, that are perfectly happy working with their hands the old fashioned way. I know more than a few that have left the corporate world, to go back to the land. I myself am heading in that direction as fast as I can. | ||
| Kenm123t |
LOl The poor proud folks that say I built my house to raise my family. Spoken like Woe filled worker. I have built several dad is getting tired of the drive or commercial flights to tend to him interests around the country. So we are now looking for just the right plane for the companies. Yes you can be come rich in this economy Life is like flying your altitude is determined by your attitude. We have many billionaires for clients as well as the retired maids in the hood. I m not impressed with wealth but I do study how others have made their wealth. Why do others have more than you do Fasty THEY WORK HARDER THAN YOU DO! Shelved a college degree hmm liberal arts I ll bet! I catch the tude from prissy fitters etc I can do every job in my companies. But I did go to school when the woods were too muddy to hunt. Now Fasty those who cant do ridicule those who can. Enjoy your soon to be worthless union pension. If your smart you ll check and see if its in ERISA. | ||
| Strokizator |
FFF states that he is a "moderate". Funny, almost every far-lefty guy I've talked to thought that he too was a moderate, which immediately made me a far right-wing loon and my arguments suspect. The trouble begins with the fact that they don't have the integrity to be honest about who they are and so everything else is tainted by this slanted perspective. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
With regard to manual labor, there are those who CHOOSE to and those who have no other options. My point was that physical labor isn't somehow more noble than mental labor. | ||
| Aesquire |
Want to make a Conservative mad? Tell him a lie. Want to make a Leftist mad? Tell him the truth. Ft, but that means the "noble savage" myth behind the French Revolution isn't so!!! Then again, they did call the aftermath "The Terror", where you could be denounced by your neighbor and executed as an enemy of the state.... Pop quiz# A, open to all. Which of the following are true? 1. LBJ pushed the Civil Right Act through with the Democrats overcoming obstruction from the Republicans. 2. Nixon started the Vietnam War. 3. Abraham Lincoln was a Democrat. 4. Republicans wrote the Jim Crow laws. ( back of the bus, separate bathrooms for Negros, etc. ) 5. Saddam H. never had any WMD's. 6. Japan knew it was defeated and the dropping of the Atomic Bombs was just for revenge. Dropping 2 was completely not needed. Thank you for playing. I think you guys are being mean to FF. He's not a commie. I believe him when he says he knows nothing of marxism. Stalin would say he is "Useful". | ||
| 46champ |
Nice list wish I could remember lists like that at opportune times.  | ||
| Oldog |
>>You don't read too good.<< >>Maybe you've been victim of Mad Dogs diatribes.<< >>Where have I espoused communism.<< >>Go back and find it for me.<< >>Then talk to me about the social experiments of Germany, Denmark, Sweden, Norway, Great Britain, yes and even France.<< I read fine, I am a student of history, I believe that those who fail to learn history's / [life's lessons ] are doomed to repeat them.. - I live by this tenant ... Like you I wonder about some of the obscene numbers that get tossed around for various execs pay, BUT, I recently read a piece about a well paid bank president who saw the housing market melt down coming, he prevented his bank from buying any of the mortgage based securities, when the s**t hit the fan they were in good shape, was he worth his big salary I think so.. The folks who work at micky-d's and want a 15$ per hour wage for UN-SKILLED work is about as close to espousing the communist way as it gets, Its part of the "take the wealth and spread it around" [ re-distribution ] mentality, so from MY POV yeah commy... Sure lets talk about some of the "social experiments in Europe, Don't leave out Greece, a thought Germanys' culture is more concervative than most It is in much better shape than the rest of Europe, The reason they espouse work hard and save...., Spain tried the housing for every one and is in a huge mess, Greece is bankrupt the Germans and others are carrying them, Italy not to good.., and Great Brittan, well there is a prime example of how poorly social medicine works, their social medicine system is on the brink of collapse, In Canada where they also have socialized med, they came across the border to get care here that they can't get at home. So those social experiments are not doing well, IMO Our sitting pResident seems to ignore these conditions and many historical facts in making HIS BAD policy choices. we wont go in to the other chicanery Fatty, on the work with the head vs "labour" Having a skill and working in a trade, is working with your head, I would also consider avocations like Farming a skill set. } | ||
| Reindog |
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| Ft_bstrd |
I agree as well OD. I hear time and time again that "the executives don't do any real work. They just sit around all day." Really? Because they aren't on the floor, because they don't have a shovel in hand, they aren't doing "real work"? I work with many brilliant guys who are the best at what they do, but none of them could run a company. Not a slight on their intellect or work ethic. It's just not their skillset. That said, I also work with executives who have an encyclopedic knowledge of finance and revenue cycle processes that couldn't change a tire. To deem one "noble" and the other a "parasite", by either party, is simply wrong. I hire a guy to build a house just like the home builder hires someone to do the taxes. | ||
| Reindog |
Cuomo did all of us a favor by openly espousing his Goebbels like demonization and attempted marginalization of ordinary Americans who hold valid beliefs. Now we openly know who the unAmerican ProgThought enemy is. This facism is infecting the Democratic Party as evidenced by the Obama/ Pelosi/Reid use of language against Conservatives in October. Heil Hitler, bitch.  | ||
| Sifo |
I will say that when I was driving a keyboard, there were plenty of days that I went home physically exhausted. Many manual labor guys tend not to believe it, but it's the truth. | ||
| Sifo |
Cuomo did all of us a favor by openly espousing his Goebbels like demonization and attempted marginalization of ordinary Americans who hold valid beliefs. Now we openly know who the unAmerican ProgThought enemy is. This facism is infecting the Democratic Party as evidenced by the Obama/ Pelosi/Reid use of language against Conservatives in October. Heil Hitler, bitch. They are a party of diversity like Islam is a religion of peace.  | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
I will say that when I was driving a keyboard, there were plenty of days that I went home physically exhausted. Many manual labor guys tend not to believe it, but it's the truth. Yup. | ||
| Oldog |
I hear time and time again that "the executives don't do any real work. They just sit around all day." I have been on both ends of that one, years ago I was building a gasket joint mold on a manual milling machine, the tool was about 5' long and had 2 precision slots in it ( a slab of steel 2" thick and 2' x 5' ) each cut took about 30 minutes so I sat and waited as the machine cut the profile in the slab of steel, a laborer came in to deliver some thing and said I had an easy job, he missed the time I spent setting the machine head up or securing the slab to the machine to prevent any movement, or the stress of being concerned about any failure of the machine, tool, or set up. I earned my 8.50 per hour that day, and went home exhausted, If I had messed up the job there would have been no profit in it for the boss to pay me with, the 15$hr min wage crowd so does not get that I had it beat in to my head early .. BTW good to see you back with us... } |
