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Hootowl
Posted on Tuesday, January 17, 2017 - 10:10 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Regarding guaranteed basic income for all...where does the money come from? In your case, it would come from the government selling oil to other nations that create wealth through capitalism. In my case it would be through taxation. In other words, government takes from people who produce, and gives it to people who do not. How is that not theft?

FYI - we already have a system like that here in the States...it's called welfare. We also have a system to protect you if you are injured and can not work. It's called social security disability. Both of these programs take tax dollars and dole them out to people who do not work. No one I know enjoys paying for these programs, but I also don't know anyone who doesn't acknowledge that, in most cases, (there's a lot of fraud baked in to these programs) these programs are needed. Sure wish we could get rid of the fraudulent claimants.

We also have a voluntary assistance program, called charity. It's fairly well funded and usually takes the form of a local church. This makes the left seethe with rage. The "holy state", the god of the left, is a jealous god, and can abide no competition.
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Mtnmason
Posted on Tuesday, January 17, 2017 - 11:33 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

@FallOutnl

First off, thank you for engaging us in a cogent manner. As Aesquire pointed out, such discourse is atypical of the majority of politically left-of-center individuals.

Anti-White/pro-caliphate though? C'mon son. That's some tinfoil hat level nonsense.

Can someone please queue the images of Obama signaling the 'shahada'. Perhaps you've never read any of "Dreams of My Father", wherein Obama intimates that the most beautiful sound he's ever heard was the "call of the azan". If that's not evidence enough, it may be worth your while to take a closer look at the regime change that has taken place across the Middle East during his administration. Almost without exception, every nation that once had some semblance of stability was toppled and replaced by chaos with the Muslim Brotherhood, ISIS (or ISIL, a term that excludes the existence of Israel, as Obama refers to them) or some variation thereof at the helm; all done with a wink and nod from Obama AND a large cash injection of US taxpayer dollars.
Need I even bring up the Iranian nuclear "deal". I could cite many more examples. If you do not believe that Barack Hussein Obama is Muslim (and any true Muslim is pro-caliphate as Sharia is preferable to any form of government rule) you are fooling yourself. There exists far too much evidence to deny such claims.

Anti-white may have been a slight exaggeration. But only slight - please see the vid linked by Pwnzr. Also consider "If I had son..."
Most anti-colonialists are also anti-white by proxy (even if they're white themselves).


but yeah... isn't the fact that everyone (potentially) being armed with lethal weapons - couldn't that cause more problems than it is solving?

Quite the opposite, actually. Again, Pwnzr covered this quite succinctly. And for the record, Kennesaw may only have a pop. of ~30K but it's essentially a bedroom community of Atlanta GA with a metro area pop. of over 5 million.

But that entire system has some major issues
Can you suggest a better alternative? European socialism does not count. We value freedom over here in the states.
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Ourdee
Posted on Tuesday, January 17, 2017 - 12:03 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

some things are better left to the (responsible) pro's. I know some of you are in remote locations (like far away from police response and all that),I am in the "city" Rockford. I am not a professional gun slinger. An AR protects the only access to me. In my apartment building 50% of the residents are armed. No doors have been kicked down on this building. Across the street? Unarmed. 25% of the doors have been kicked in. Police here do not stop crime from transpiring. They show up to take reports and string the tape. The crime is stopped between the front door and an armed citizen.


studies that show that brain activity is different in those who are poor. It literally affects the way they can think.
I would read that study to mean,"Brain activity literally affects weather or not you are poor".
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Ratbuell
Posted on Tuesday, January 17, 2017 - 12:21 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The only part about your "eloquent and funny" observation is...you don't have to live with (and pay for) the results of his choices.

We do.

He may present well. Put on a good act / face for the camera. But he's a politician - that's what they do. The meat of his decisions (and those of the democrat party) have caused / increased the turmoil in this country tenfold (along with the deficit).

I encourage you - as I encourage most Americans - to look OUTSIDE the mainstream media for facts. Our journalists (and I use the term loosely) are just as "bought" as our politicians anymore. They say what they're told to say. I saw a meme recently, probably here on badweb: "remember when "fake news" was called "propaganda"?" That's what it is today.

Dig into the reality of the situation. Look at the film clips where Obama flat encourages civil unrest, riots, and general mass misbehavior against authority (i.e. police). Look at any of the countless court cases / public trials of police officers being tried for "violence"...with zero mention of the fact (key word there) that the alleged criminal mouthed off / drew a weapon / refused to comply with clear instructions. That side of the situation keeps being "forgotten". In many cases, forgotten despite video and audio proof of it. Me? If I'm dumb enough to mouth off to a cop, or god forbid point a weapon at one? I deserve whatever comes to me because I'm being a .

But, these are the facts of how our country has been run the last 8 years. Again, I encourage you to look beyond the mass media. They may as well be Hollywood; they have about the same basis in fact as a movie anymore.

And to echo above statements - thank you for bringing a reasoned approach to all this. It's nice being able to actually discuss...instead of it turning into a shouting match. I think, though, that your vastly different reality is going to make it very hard for you to get past the media's public face, because there's just no common ground; no personal experience with it for you. Many of us here are so sick of the reality we DO have...we've decided it's time for some changes. And we've worked within the system to put those changes in motion. How he does remains to be seen...but I'm far more hopeful now than I was three months ago. Time will tell. Just keep digging for facts though - the MSM isn't worth the disk space they keep their reports on.
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Aesquire
Posted on Tuesday, January 17, 2017 - 01:13 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Here's a few simple and verifiable facts.

In places in America where guns are highly restricted the murder & other crime rates are much higher than is areas where gun ownership is not. Take the guns from the citizens, and only criminals & police have guns.

The ORIGIN of gun control in the U.S. is the Democrat Party. Originally they passed laws so that their slaves were forbidden guns. Then after the Civil War, they passed laws to forbid guns to their former slaves, for good reason. The Democrat Party's action arm in the South was the Klu Klux Klan, a white suprematist organization that terrorized the black people to keep them in line and force them to register Democrat. Obviously it's not nearly as much fun to go beat people, burn crosses on their lawns, and murder them when the people shoot back.

Over 150 years later the underlying attitudes of the Democrats has not changed, just the Public relations face they put on the built in racism. Blacks, according to Democrat leaders, must be wards of the State since they are incompetent to run their own affairs. You know, because they are black. ( this is NOT the attitude of the normal American Citizen )

They put a pretty face on the dishonesty, mostly by accusing their political enemies of racism, and promoting the myth that there was a magical moment in history when the Party suddenly wasn't the Party of the Klan, but the Republican Party that freed the slaves instantly became racist.

It's a lie.... I've actually heard this myth applied to successive Republican Presidential candidates going back to Barry Goldwater... Funny enough the exact same wording and lies applied to different people decades apart.

So don't believe most of what you read... and believe almost nothing that the Party of the Klan says.
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Blake
Posted on Tuesday, January 17, 2017 - 03:55 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The professor had not shown his ID to the officer, that was just another lie from Obama. The professor was indignant and combative when the officer asked to see his ID. That is what the whole dust-up was about. Had he shown his ID, the issue would have been resolved.

Obama is a serial liar, and if not intentionally out to harm America, then as incompetent as they come.


Obama Sucks
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Falloutnl
Posted on Tuesday, January 17, 2017 - 04:08 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I'm still reading fellas.

Just trying to finish some work I didn't get to earlier today.
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Natexlh1000
Posted on Tuesday, January 17, 2017 - 04:37 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Don't forget that he won a Nobel Peace prize early in his job.
You know, before he started all those little wars all over?
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Ourdee
Posted on Tuesday, January 17, 2017 - 05:12 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Look at who else was messed up enough to get the prize. Although not messed up enough to pick it up earlier. I disagree

The Active Ex-President
While the President of the United States, George W. Bush, was planning war on Iraq in the autumn of 2002, former President Jimmy Carter was awarded the Peace Prize for undertaking peace negotiations, campaigning for human rights, and working for social welfare. According to the Chairman of the Nobel Committee, Carter ought to have been awarded the Prize as early as in 1978, when he successfully mediated a peace agreement between Egypt and Israel.




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Court
Posted on Tuesday, January 17, 2017 - 05:56 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I do NOT know the answer to this . . . .but "did Obama start more wars than other Presidents?"

Again . . . I DO NOT know the answer . . . but it seems like he has us on the mat tussling with about everybody . . friends and allies.

I wonder if other Presidents had "kill lists" . . which Obama is confirmed to have maintained. I am also curious if any other President has ever "marked" and American citizen to be killed without benefit of due process.
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Hootowl
Posted on Tuesday, January 17, 2017 - 05:58 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Unfortunately, the despots of the world have little regard for the efforts of the West to achieve peace without warfare. They achieved control through use of force, and it's all they understand. Carter has been prancing around the world for decades singing "why can't we all just get along", but no one is listening. He just doesn't get it.
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Hootowl
Posted on Tuesday, January 17, 2017 - 06:11 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The O just commuted the sentence of Manning, the guy who leaked national security secrets to wikileaks. Expect him to let Hillary off the hook soon.

He's doing as much damage as he can before he leaves office. Petulant child.
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Sifo
Posted on Tuesday, January 17, 2017 - 06:26 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I do NOT know the answer to this . . . .but "did Obama start more wars than other Presidents?"

Again . . . I DO NOT know the answer . . . but it seems like he has us on the mat tussling with about everybody . . friends and allies.


He has started no "wars". That requires the consent of Congress. We are dropping bombs in a lot of countries though. I'm not really sure how many. It's never covered in the press much. We ended the war in Iraq. Officially. We have troops fighting battles there though. Is that a new conflict? Same for Afghanistan. We have always been at war with EastAsia... Haven't we?
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Sifo
Posted on Tuesday, January 17, 2017 - 06:42 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I think I could predict low approval ratings for Trump if you polling only includes 23% Republicans.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-01-17/new-abc-w apo-poll-shows-drop-trump-favorabilty-through-aggr essive-oversamples
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Ourdee
Posted on Tuesday, January 17, 2017 - 07:23 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

ABC news politics:

57% of Americans see Donald Trump’s treatment of the news media as unfair in new @ABC News/WaPo poll: http://abcn.ws/2jv6BnJ
6:23 AM - 17 Jan 2017

I should post this in the not rude joke thread.
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Alfau
Posted on Tuesday, January 17, 2017 - 07:25 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The O just commuted the sentence of Manning

Looks like Trump will now pay for the sex realignment.

http://www.militarytimes.com/articles/chelsea-mann ing-to-undergo-sex-reassignment-surgery

America the land of the mixed up crazy people.
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Court
Posted on Tuesday, January 17, 2017 - 07:29 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

>>>America the land of the mixed up crazy people.

And finally . . . the sliver of a chance to fix it.

They can't get that sick bastard out of The White House fast enough . . . .
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Hootowl
Posted on Tuesday, January 17, 2017 - 07:31 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

They say it takes all kinds.

It doesn't.

There just are.
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Court
Posted on Tuesday, January 17, 2017 - 07:33 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

>>>He's doing as much damage as he can before he leaves office. Petulant child.

I confess. . in a perverse way . . I am enjoying watching his twist in the wind.

He thought he was smarter than "Joe the plumber" and went on that arrogant trip telling people who to vote for and that his legacy depended on Hillary continuing his work.

The people knew better and weren't buying the smoke this little Chicago hood rat was blowing up there ass. Getting into Columbia, even if you were academically "advanced" just to get you graduate rather than flunk you. . . solely based on race and being a "foreign student" . . it doesn't make you smarter than anybody.

The American people WANT the swamp cleaned.
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Aesquire
Posted on Wednesday, January 18, 2017 - 01:23 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Read Heinlein's "The Year of the Jackpot".
Fiction. Premise. .there are cycles. Sunspots, earthquakes, storms, markets..... what if all the cycles lined up at the same time?

Thus we have hundred thousand plus bikers, a woman's march to protest 4-chan fan fiction, anarcho communist violent riots, and approval for mass assault tactics at the inauguration. .... which might get nuked by Russia, China, N Korea, Iran, or California.

Jackpot.
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Aesquire
Posted on Wednesday, January 18, 2017 - 02:40 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

http://victorhanson.com/wordpress/the-ancient-fore ign-policy/
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Sifo
Posted on Wednesday, January 18, 2017 - 05:06 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)



days to go!
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Sifo
Posted on Wednesday, January 18, 2017 - 05:15 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)







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Pwnzor
Posted on Wednesday, January 18, 2017 - 06:24 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

On his way out of the china shop, Obama is swinging a baseball bat and smashing as many things as possible.
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Ducbsa
Posted on Wednesday, January 18, 2017 - 06:42 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Regarding more black men than white in prison, Heather MacDonald has written quite a bit: http://www.city-journal.org/html/ferguson-effect-l ives-14919.html
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Ducbsa
Posted on Wednesday, January 18, 2017 - 09:22 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Free Chelsea!

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/443950/mannin g-obama-damage-done
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Ducbsa
Posted on Wednesday, January 18, 2017 - 09:37 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

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Sifo
Posted on Wednesday, January 18, 2017 - 10:43 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Obama scores the worst legislative record in history

Signed less bills into law than one-term Carter

Kind of sums up BO's entire life. Why do real work when you can take the short cuts?
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Sifo
Posted on Thursday, January 19, 2017 - 05:14 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)



day to go!
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Ratbuell
Posted on Thursday, January 19, 2017 - 09:20 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/jan/17/pr esident-obama-scores-poorly-working-congress-leg/

...and yet, the article blames congress for "not working with him".
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