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Oldog
Posted on Friday, February 14, 2014 - 01:40 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I ran across this on Gretta Wire, in reply to legal advice Vansustren Posted for tax exempt orgs being harrased by the IRS ( by in action )

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The real issue here is NOT "the tea party" or even "conservative groups" - this is solely about a rogue federal government allowing or encouraging its agencies to act as a hired militia, abusing the law and the rights of the citizens. That's it. We cannot allow our government to turn against the people or the very principles upon which our government is structured. IT serves US. A government willing to turn on one group has declared, emphatically, that it will just as easily turn on another. The federal government and its agencies have 'justified' their actions in the same way every single dictatorial regime before it has done so. And Obama's declaration that he will "go around Congress" - the representation of the states and the citizens - is tantamount to Hitler's use of The Enabling Act. Now think about this; it means we have a government here, who has said the people have no voice, their representatives have no authority and the Executive Branch has no accountability to the nation; and this same Executive Branch is headed by the Commander in Chief of the U.S. military. Any of this sounding familiar?? We're way beyond domestic 'partisan' bickering among the parties. This is a global threat to humanity. People BETTER wake up and realize the regime sitting in office in OUR country is now no better or more ethical than that of Chavez, Castro, Kim Sung il, Assad, Putin or that bastard you've been dealing with in Africa. Only THIS regime is a HELL of a lot more powerful...

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I think that its telling, how can any one in government (except the radicals ) support his actions or that of his cronies.
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Cityxslicker
Posted on Friday, February 14, 2014 - 02:46 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

^^^^ I have had the creeping feeling for years, interesting to see it is hitting prime time.
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Reindog
Posted on Saturday, February 15, 2014 - 02:36 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

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Reindog
Posted on Saturday, February 15, 2014 - 02:46 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

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Reindog
Posted on Saturday, February 15, 2014 - 02:47 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

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Sifo
Posted on Saturday, February 15, 2014 - 09:05 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)



















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Sifo
Posted on Saturday, February 15, 2014 - 09:10 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Hey, didn't there used to be crazy loon around here that kept warning us about the fact that would would soon be hearing the word "resilience" being used by out government soon? Man that guy was paranoid!

Obama pitches $1B climate change 'resilience fund'
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Pwnzor
Posted on Saturday, February 15, 2014 - 10:08 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Yeah I remember that guy... strange how most of what he has been saying is now being borne out by the media.

Even the liberal media is beginning to have trouble hiding what is going on. There can only be so many words to describe a downward spiral from which there can be no return, save by insurrection.

After a while, a pig is a pig is a pig.
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Ducbsa
Posted on Saturday, February 15, 2014 - 11:06 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Sifo, is there a higher rez file of that blue timeline chart available?

Thanks
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Cityxslicker
Posted on Saturday, February 15, 2014 - 11:54 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Resilience White Paper from IBM out of England 5 years ago laid down these plans; and the FEMA camps are part of it, and of course personal carbon tax designations - dubbed as the taxing of your 'footprint' via self business holdings, small ag plots, and the full 'accountability' of assets, equipment, livestock, money and of course personal property.

because if they don't know what you have - they don't know just how 'unjust' you are and how YOU are creating 'inequity'

watch and learn
wait and see

and getting it in early
FIFTYS
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Sifo
Posted on Saturday, February 15, 2014 - 12:17 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Sifo, is there a higher rez file of that blue timeline chart available?

I wish I knew of one. That one is just too hard to read. Good info though.

I wish there was a similar list of BO's scandals. I can't keep them straight anymore!
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Aesquire
Posted on Saturday, February 15, 2014 - 12:38 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Obama is dishonest.
Obama takes huge bribes.
Obama is dishonest.

There, that easier to remember?
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Sifo
Posted on Saturday, February 15, 2014 - 03:35 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Remember not all that long ago when we had one of our members who was constantly complaining about the political influence of the Koch Brothers? It would be interesting to hear the response to this...

Think the Koch Brothers Are Among the Top 10 All-Time Political Donors? Sorry, You Are Wrong. Very Wrong.


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The Koch brothers, notorious for donating large sums of money to right-leaning political causes, might not be as influential as some may think.

Opensecrets.org recently compiled a list of the top “all-time donors” from 1989 to 2014 and the infamous duo not only fail to take the top slot, but even place in the top 10.

In fact, according to the data, Koch Industries places 59 on the list with $18 million in donations, 90-percent of which went to Republicans.

So who takes the top spot? An organization called “ActBlue” which bills itself as a PAC “allowing individuals and groups to channel their progressive dollars to candidates and movements of their choosing.”

That group has donated more than 97 million to political causes, with over 99-percent going to Democrats.

So who occupies the 58 spots ahead of the Evil Koch Bros? Six of the top 10 are … wait for it … unions. They gave more than $278 million, with most of it going to Democrats.

These are familiar names: AFSCME ($60.6 million), NEA ($53.5 million), IBEW ($44.4 million), UAW ($41.6 million), Carpenters & Joiners ($39.2 million) and SEIU ($38.3 million).

In other words, the six biggest union donors in American politics gave 15 times more to mostly Democrats than the Evil Koch Bros.




Why are liberals always proven to be so incredibly wrong?
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Oldog
Posted on Saturday, February 15, 2014 - 04:22 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

This is becoming ominous, why do the USPS and various governmental departments need ammo ?

I at times question these things but you have to wonder.

Income equalization, simple make us all poor.. like the middle ages

and disarm us for the same reason...

http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/item/17611-po st-office-latest-federal-agency-to-ask-for-ammunit ion
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Aesquire
Posted on Saturday, February 15, 2014 - 04:24 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

progressives are so often wrong because the foundation of thought is a lie.
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Fredfast
Posted on Saturday, February 15, 2014 - 06:33 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

"In other words, the six biggest union donors in American politics gave 15 times more to mostly Democrats than the Evil Koch Bros."

I guess you've conveniently disregarded the fact that unions represent hundreds of thousands while the Crotch Bros. represent two.

(Message edited by fredfast on February 15, 2014)
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Strokizator
Posted on Saturday, February 15, 2014 - 07:15 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Those self serving bastards don't represent anyone but their own interests. No one ever asked me what I wanted my dues spent on.
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Sifo
Posted on Saturday, February 15, 2014 - 07:28 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

No one ever asked me what I wanted my dues spent on.

Me either. When I'm forced to join, it's not like I'm really asking for representation.
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Sifo
Posted on Saturday, February 15, 2014 - 07:48 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

And lets not forget it also leaves 4 of the top 10 that aren't unions, if that matters for some reason. The top one isn't a union. It also leaves 58 various entities that are bigger participants than the evil Koch Bros. But yes, it's the Koch Bros. that deserve the scrutiny. Makes perfect liberal sense.

I do find it odd that FredFrank would take an interest in this though. It's all about labels which he claims to be beneath him.
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Fredfast
Posted on Saturday, February 15, 2014 - 07:56 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

"forced to join"

Really!
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Aesquire
Posted on Saturday, February 15, 2014 - 08:19 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

If you're not in a "right to work" state, then, yes. Forced to join. In fact, many unions will just take dues from your first paycheck. Join or not, you pay.

Federal Worker Unions are often set up for pay, period, dues.

I should know, I'm a loyal, dues paying Union Member. While I'm sure my union would represent me just the same if I quit it ( yes, I can quit ) I'm still with them.

Also, to be fair, I could request back the portion of my dues that goes to political activity. I also could ask management to cover me with honey and lock me in a closet with wild badgers, which would be a far safer thing.

Which brings me to a question I keep asking, but haven't received a good answer to yet.

In NY, I'm only allowed to vote in the primary for the Party I'm enrolled in. Last time the Presidential Primaries happened, I reasoned that voting against the jerk in the R primary made the most sense, since the O was unopposed. The time before that I voted in the R primary, because Hillary was a lock. My Union supported her, so she didn't need my help.

Soon, I will be able to vote in a Primary, again, and the question is, "do I register R to vote against Jeb Bush, or register D to vote against Joe Biden?"

It's a serious question, and I value the input of those not "useful".

( my prediction for next president is Jeb. why? Because Hillary will get a bad rep when she strangles Joe Biden during a debate. No I'm kidding. Everyone cheered when she strangled Joe. It'll be when she stabs Donald Trump during a debate that costs her the election. Even though everyone cheered when she did. )
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Aesquire
Posted on Saturday, February 15, 2014 - 08:36 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I've also got some flack from comments at Union meetings.

My point was that we "donate" to one side.

For half a century that's been a winning strategy, since from WW2 to the Clinton Admin. one side has dominated, and it's agenda for schools, spending, and unions has too. But that's not a sure thing, election to election, anymore.

That means that the Party we don't donate to has zero reason to care about us.

The Party we Always donate to also has no reason to care about us. We're a lock. It's not like the Members have a say, it's Union Leadership. So they can treat us like a sure thing, and ignore us.

I may have used a sexual metaphor, and that may be why my comments were badly taken.

My proposal is we donate to both sides, I don't care about equally, the idea is to make both sides Woo us. Otherwise, we're just property in the stable.
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Fredfast
Posted on Saturday, February 15, 2014 - 08:54 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

"If you're not in a "right to work" state, then, yes. Forced to join."

Twice the wages, health benefits, pension, annuity, vacation pay - oh yea,"forced to join".
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Court
Posted on Saturday, February 15, 2014 - 09:10 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

>>>>Twice the wages, health benefits, pension, annuity, vacation pay - oh yea,"forced to join".

If . . . and let's assume it is for a minute . . . that's true.

Then . . . AND FEEL FREE TO? ANSWER . . . why is union membership at the lowest rate in history and falling at the fastest rate it's ever fallen?

When I moved to NYC . . . you put yourself in some peril by even saying "non-union". Now union work accounts for only about 15% of the large jobs.

DISCLAIMER: I belong to a union and have since 1968.
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Sifo
Posted on Saturday, February 15, 2014 - 09:18 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Twice the wages, health benefits, pension, annuity, vacation pay - oh yea,"forced to join".

Ummm... No, no, no, no, no, and yes.
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Fredfast
Posted on Saturday, February 15, 2014 - 09:45 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

"Then . . . AND FEEL FREE TO? ANSWER . . . why is union membership at the lowest rate in history and falling at the fastest rate it's ever fallen?"

Just read a report that unionizing a Passat assembly plant in Tennessee failed by majority vote. The vote was close and all local politicians were involved in dissuading the workers from unionizing. Considering that Tennessee gives these foreign interests considerable tax breaks, one wonders about the benefits these politicians receive to line the pockets of these foreign shareholders. How American!

To answer your question. Todays generation requires instant gratification. It's all video games. They won't worry about healthcare as long as they're young and healthy. They don't worry about pensions and annuities - too far down the road. They won't pay dues. They want it all in the envelope. I've seen these types when they're too old to drive a nail - falling off of bar stools.
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Kenm123t
Posted on Saturday, February 15, 2014 - 09:46 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Slow fred I know the Koch Bros you need to re think the evil slander!
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Swampy
Posted on Saturday, February 15, 2014 - 10:05 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

"Todays generation requires instant gratification. It's all video games. They won't worry about healthcare as long as they're young and healthy. They don't worry about pensions and annuities - too far down the road. They won't pay dues. They want it all in the envelope. I've seen these types when they're too old to drive a nail - falling off of bar stools."

For most new workers that is all that is available to them...

But I am an old guy with a pension, at one time I had an offer from my employer to "Buy Out" my pension for a 401, and I declined, one of the managers did go with it and lost millions when the stock market collapsed shortly thereafter. My wife doesn't even look at her 401 statements knowing full well that some "Expert" is expertly handling the monies entrusted to them (IE: losing her a$$)
No one goes to jail, no one is held accountable, I surly won't gamble, I would rather gamble on the pension still being around when (and that is a BIG when) and if I retire...
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Court
Posted on Sunday, February 16, 2014 - 12:51 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

>>>>Todays generation requires instant gratification.

You are either totally delusional or you've been scooping from the bottom of the young people barrel.

I have 2 sons who are part of the "video game" generation. Both are wildly successful, both put down 30% when they bought their homes, the youngests' was approaching $2M, they keep 12 months of living budget in quick cash and they are both buying 1 or 2 rental properties a year.

They've got amazing educations, are great husbands and fathers and both planning in detail for their kids' education as well as their retirements.

I am also a Professor at an Ivy League university and spend a great deal of time with these kids of which you speak. I see young people working on their 2nd Ph.D. . . . doing research that will earn them Nobel prizes and doing amazing things.

I am also an I.B.E.W. member and I see many, probably most, my Union brothers and sisters with amazing benefits many with 7 figure 401K. For the record, my union 401K returned 34% last year.

Your answer is lame my friend. You are out of touch with reality.
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Nik
Posted on Sunday, February 16, 2014 - 01:41 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Just read a report that unionizing a Passat assembly plant in Tennessee failed by majority vote. The vote was close and all local politicians were involved in dissuading the workers from unionizing. Considering that Tennessee gives these foreign interests considerable tax breaks, one wonders about the benefits these politicians receive to line the pockets of these foreign shareholders. How American!

Except that VW wanted the union and actually approached the UAW first, to set up a 'works council' like they have at their other plants, and repeatedly called out the politicians on their (frequently rife with misspelling) fear-mongering.

Did you ever consider that maybe VW just inherently values their employees and treats them well, and such their employees didn't see the need for the UAWs representation?
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