| Author | Message | ||
     Garryb |
See, I get too emotionally involved. Time to go. Wish I could still ride an 1190rx. A way cool bike. Erik makes me glad to be an American. | ||
| Reindog |
Something else we can agree on  Patriots like Paul, Cruz, and West are fighting to make our country stronger. Did you support the elected Government and elected president, Richard Nixon? Let me get this straight. If I wholeheartedly disagree with the Socialist and Big Government philosophy of Obama, then I am somehow a subversive? That is very Soviet of you, comrade. | ||
| Reindog |
Something else we can really agree on  garryb, emotional responses to problems rarely solve those problems. We both want to see America prosper but the way of Liberalism and Big Government rarely provides lasting solutions. Unleashing people to pursue their potential is the best approach for 90+% of us. | ||
| Garryb |
I guess I look at the oath I took as a Marine to support this country, a little differently than you look at supporting this country. | ||
| Garryb |
Reindog, I'm sure you didn't vote for Obama, but I did and he won and is the President of the united states until the next election. I never have forgot that, even with bush and Chaney, I never would want this nation or its key initiatives to fail. | ||
| Hootowl |
It is those Progressive/Socialist (I won't say Liberal, that would be a misnomer) initiatives that are causing us to fail. The money WILL run out. Anyone with a basic understanding of mathematics can see it coming. Opposing such initiatives is our duty as patriots who do not want to see the country fail. And I view those supporting such reckless endeavors as enemies of America, for they are not ignorant of the destruction they bring. | ||
| Sifo |
The Supreme court ruled that Obama care was constitutional yet I see big bucks and energy being spent trying to make sure it doesn't succeed. You don't understand what the court does do you. They didn't rule on the bill being constitutional or not. The ruled on a very specific part of the bill being constitutional. Those are very different things. Cases like this... http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/10/22/fed-jud ge-allows-case-challenging-obamacare-penalties-to- continue/ will continue for a very long time to come. I also think if its constitutional then non-compliance must be unconstitutional? Again, you don't understand. Just because something is constitutional, does not mean you must comply. The second amendment states that you can bear arms. Does that mean that by not carrying a gun, one is violating the Constitution? In fact, until ObamaDontCare, please name one thing that the Constitution demands you MUST do. Please don't try to tell me taxes with about 47% not paying taxes. Wish I could still ride an 1190rx. A way cool bike. Erik makes me glad to be an American. How do you feel about the fact that during Obama's term in office he will have "borrowed" (That would be without permission, or intent to pay back. Many call that stealing.) from every citizen of our country about the same amount as the retail price of that 1190RX. Try to let that sink in. | ||
| Sifo |
Opposing such initiatives is our duty as patriots who do not want to see the country fail. And I view those supporting such reckless endeavors as enemies of America, for they are not ignorant of the destruction they bring. When they spoke of enemies, foreign and domestic, elected leaders were not excluded. | ||
| Hootowl |
Not from every citizen Sifo, just the ones paying federal tax. From each according to their means, to each according to their need. You know the drill. | ||
| Sifo |
Not from every citizen Sifo, just the ones paying federal tax. From each according to their means, to each according to their need. You know the drill. Well if you want to limit it only to actual taxpayers, then the amount stolen is going to easily be worth the retail price of the 1190RX. Probably would cover the 1190RS. If you had an 1190RS, and a-hole stole it out of your garage, what would you want to do to said a-hole. Is it any different because they stole it before you made the purchase? | ||
| Britchri10 |
Sifo: please name one thing that the Constitution demands you MUST do.(?) You must register for selective service. ( per article 1, Section 8 of the US Constitution.) But...I'm just splitting hairs... Effectively, your summary is correct IMHO. NB: the 13th amendment does not apply per the Supreme Court ruling in Butler Vs Perry (1916)} | ||
| Sifo |
You must register for selective service. Nice hair split!  | ||
| Garryb |
I think this covers what's constitutional with Obama Care. http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2012/0 6/the-health-care-decision-explained-in-1-paragrap h-on-scotusblog/259097/ The requirement to get is constitutional, the ability to charge a penalty is under question. | ||
| Patches |
http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/report-us-spen t-37-trillion-welfare-over-last-5-years_764582.htm l | ||
| Aesquire |
Garry, I understand what you are going through, and it's tough. You just found out someone you trusted, has been lying to you. It pretty bad. It's not that your lady told you she went to NYC with her buds at work to catch a Broadway play, and you find out she went to Atlantic city, and has a problem. You can deal with that. Sure, it'll take time, patience and some scrimping to pay the late mortgage, and you had to sell your vintage fishing lure collection on Ebay to pay the back taxes, but you'll make it. No, it is you just found those VS panties you had monogrammed for her birthday. They fell out of the sleeping bag. In the back of your best bud's van. While you helped him load it to go fishing. And now your heart has done that "thud" thing and you ache because you sorta just let yourself notice that your daughter looks a lot more like your bud, than you. And you remember how scared you were, her being a premie, with the birth 8 months and a week after you got back from overseas...... That sucks. You have to go through, denial, anger, all those stupid steps the doctors and Oprah tell you about. So if you need to take some time, go ahead. We'll be here. Passion is good. Most of us are passionate about something, almost all of us HERE about riding, and especially our rare and quirky bikes. I don't KNOW that Obama is an idealist that wants to change America to fit His Dream. But HE says so. ( actually, his Father's Dream. It's the title of one of his Biographies ) I can't tell if he's a self serving dude who uses the evil power of the modern Marxist ideology to gain personal wealth, Or if he's true believer. In either case I disagree with him on many things, and actually agree on others. DOMA, for example, I disagree with. So does Barry. He won't enforce it, which is an issue, legally, but morally? that's a different thing. Several folk here will strongly, passionately disagree with me. We can argue, and try and convince one another, and sometimes, actually do. Maybe I was mistaken and you guys were right about everything all the time. I think you are mistaken, about SOME things. You got some stuff right, though, and I think your heart is in the right place, even as you parrot the White House approved mantra of the day. Right all the time????  No freaking way!!!! On any given day, someone here, probably me, will post some really stupid, mistaken, just plain WRONG stuff. The "right wing" talk show hosts are just as silly as the "left wing" ones. The difference is, there are a LOT more of the lefties. Chris Mathews seems to have an unrequited man crush on Obama, and so do a lot of others, in part because ( As "just Joe" Biden says ) he's clean and articulate. The JOY! a Black Man who doesn't scare them! ( Lefties are almost all racist, elitist jerks ) What you have to realize is that these folk run by a different Bible than you took your Oath on. While your soul is healing from finding out Obama lies to you, read HIS bible. "Rules For Radicals" by Saul Alinsky. http://www.amazon.com/Rules-for-Radicals-Vintage-e book/dp/B003T0G9GM/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid= 1382565544&sr=1-1 In a nut shell. the book explains how to gain power by lies. Using modern marxist dialectic techniques, and a well thought out list of dishonest, but effective tactics. For example, if you want to subvert the culture, claim that your enemies are subverting the culture. Say it a lot. over and over. Get other people to say it. Keep saying it until it's the accepted fact. It works for nearly everything. Tell everyone that your enemies want to kill old folk. That covers you when it turns out your "health care plan" supports letting old folk die. Other excellent dishonest, immoral tactics include "isolate and destroy" where you pick on one person from a group or one group from a larger one, and pick on it, mercilessly, with a high repetition rate, until that person, or group is discredited and neutralized. And always, always, play the hate card. Further reading I would suggest includes, "1984" & "Animal Farm" by Orwell, "Brave New World" by Huxley, And a few others. Avoid "Atlas Shrugged" because the characters are wordy, the setup impractical, and the rants unrealistic. Damn she can be boring. For a book NOT a political dystopian horror stories, "Ghost" by John Ringo. ( warning graphic violence & sex, Not for children, and in no way suitable for uptight people, at all. You've been warned. ) http://www.amazon.com/Ghost-Paladin-Shadows-Book-1 /dp/1416520872 Hope to see you back soon. Passion is welcome. | ||
| Aesquire |
There was virtually no focus on spending money here instead of in Iraq. Medicare, pt. D? Funds for Stem cell research. Heck, Bush never vetoed a spending bill in 8 years. MOST of it on domestic stuff. I agree the stupid money spent "on Iraq" was a real issue. I disagreed with the President on that, and said so. Did I respect the OFFICE? Some. I took an oath. But NOT to the President. Not to the office. But to the Constitution, that was designed to LIMIT that offices power to hurt or help people. Because it all rests on limiting the power of the rich and powerful. And I can complain about Barack, or George, or Hillary, because if I can't, they will screw us all. Only an educated, communicating citizenry can be free. 1st Amendment. ( smartass version ) The Government can't tell us how, who, or what to believe, worship, or revere. We can worship, believe as we see fit, individually. We can complain. The press can complain. The government can't tell us to shut up. We can say whatever we want to. The 2nd, ( smartass version ) We can be armed, because the bedrock of our freedom is free men armed. THAT is the militia. The government can't take our weapons away. We know what happens when they do. They think THEY are Kings. Without those 2 the rest don't exist. Still interested in your honest opinion of THIS guys foreign policy. Seems messed up to me. | ||
| Sifo |
I think this covers what's constitutional with Obama Care. http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2012/0 6/the-health-care-decision-explained-in-1-paragrap h-on-scotusblog/259097/
Yep, out of the entire bill that was passed, the court examined only a single aspect that has been summarized in a single sentence of your link. Any claims that the court found the ACA to be constitutional are ridiculous. (Message edited by SIFO on October 23, 2013) | ||
| Britchri10 |
Still interested in your honest opinion of THIS guys foreign policy He has one? Chris C | ||
| Sifo |
How would someone summarize the "Obama Doctrine"? | ||
| Fb1 |
But wait, Mr. 0bama said (repeatedly) the ACA isn't a tax. One example:
http://youtu.be/MuzbvX6nT8w He said on Monday that nobody's madder about the horrible rollout of 0bamacare than he is. Also untrue... | ||
| Sifo |
And now the individual mandate is likely to be delayed. http://www.marketwatch.com/story/obamacare-mandate -may-be-delayed-2013-10-23?link=MW_home_latest_new s If pResident POS had just done this a few weeks ago, we could have avoided a government shut down AND the people would still be in the dark that ObamaDontCare is a failure right out of the gate. Now that we have just a small taste of ObamaDontCare, and it's pricing, how will the negotiations go in a few short months when we go through this again? | ||
| Sifo |
I hate to think of the commentary that Cityxslicker will have to say about this. It would certainly fit with trying to mold the military to be willing to follow unconstitutional orders in the near future. Keep you powder dry folks. Blaze Sources: Obama Purging Military Commanders | ||
| Reindog |
garryb, Keep hanging in here. You are one of the reasons why I am spending time posting in this thread. We don't have to agree but I suspect you will eventually understand why so many of us are angry at the usurpation of power by the Bloatacracy and especially by the current administration. The Founding Fathers knew this would happen as there is supposed to be an eternal tug of war. All Executives strive for power but the current president acts more like a monarch than a democratic leader. Nixon did it. It was unacceptable then and it is unacceptable now. | ||
| Reepicheep |
If we had had a fair, open, and honest debate about Obamacare, then passed it in the light of day by a clear majority, I would be much less upset about it. I would still have constitutional concerns and would still be a skeptic about how adding a 5th layer of bureaucrats could possibly be a solution to a problem broken in part because it has 4 layers of bureaucrats involved. But it would have been an imperfect system replacing an imperfect system and I would say we should try and make it work. Why I am so outraged at it is because it was passed based on obviously and provably false statements, and passed in the dead of night without A SINGLE VOTE from a party that represented 46% of the population of the country. Remember the promise repeated personally by President Obama often? That if you have your insurance you can keep your insurance? http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/millions-ameri cans-are-losing-their-health-plans-because-obamaca re_764602.html Well, for 16 million or so people, that was a flat out lie. And it's not that they have to change plans, they have to change to a plan that will cost far more and be much less useful to them. 2X the premiums every month... $6,000 to $10,000 deductibles. I have frustration with Republicans also, they never did bring forward a credible plan to improve the current system either, something like a a free market based disruptive deregulation with huge transparency and major tort reform (which is what I would have liked to see). | ||
| Reindog |
We have been watching this game for FIVE years now. Getting pretty old?  | ||
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| Aesquire |
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2013/10/23 /MSNBC-s-Chris-Hayes-Uses-KKK-Image-for-Cruz-Paul- Rubio Heres a good example of classic Alinsky tactics. Accuse! Accuse! repeat. And most importantly, when your Party's history, and probably your own, involves using masked thugs to beat, murder, terrorize, but MOST important, Register folk as Democrats, you must deflect, preempt, and push those sins, those evil intents, on to your Enemies. And under this cult of lies, everyone Not Of The Body is the Enemy.. It's the Will of Landru. | ||
| Reindog |
Obama's Sebelius couldn't testify in front of Congress today because of "scheduling conflicts." Sebelius attended a gala in Boston last night and visited a call center in Phoenix today. Give me a break. What say you, Liberals? Are you ready to admit that your guy is nothing but a Shamwell salesman? | ||
| Court |
I hate to interject personal opinion . . .but I recall Ms. Sebelius (her Dad was a politician) from Kansas. She's not terribly bright. She's no better liar than the presidential clown. Makes me a little bit embarrassed to be from Kansas. | ||
| Fb1 |
She's no better liar than the presidential clown. You don't have to be good, just persistent: Say it enough times (it certainly helps to have the modern-day equivalent of Pravda embedded in the White House) and it becomes Truth... |
