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     Sifo |
 Didn't watch the speech last night, but from the highlights I've been hearing everyone should be irritated. I see he is justifying his strategy for dealing with ISIS with outtakes from GWB. I wonder if he knows this? I did watch Caddyshack last night. Much better way to spend my evening. Great to see some golf swings that actually look good. I cringe every time I see BO's swing. The man has no natural sports abilities at all. Goes along with his leadership skills.  | ||
| Drkside79 |
HGe did say They are not Islamic. However that was one sentence in a larger statement. I do not have a transcript but he said they were not Isalamic in regards to that they do not represent the religion as a whole. Much in the same way the Klan does not represent Protestants. Which is true and is what we need to know. He also committed to continuing airstrikes against them wherever they choose to run and hide. In honesty it was one of the firmest most straight to the point speeches Ive heard from him. He also credited George Bush Sr in his speech. so that not exactly a hidden surprise. For once i think people should acknowledge that this is what we want and not hate for past stupidity. Anyway as always good to see ya all | ||
| Sifo |
 Here's a Venn diagram to help visualize. How is ISIS not Islamic? More to the point though, he seems to be channeling GWB, claiming that we will find them wherever they hide. He is unwilling however to acknowledge that we are at war with them. It matters not if we acknowledge this fact. ISIS is willing to acknowledge it. BO will not commit to the fight though. That is a huge problem. Time will tell how BO's strategy plays out. It's hard to fight a war with "no boots on the ground". Making matters even worse, ISIS/ISIL came from the power vacuum that BO was instrumental in creating. BO has been in denial of the situation with ISIS for months now, despite having intelligence briefings that have been warning of these problems. Irritated should be the least you should be. | ||
| Oldog |
I wonder what his mismanagement of the situation will cost in terms of lives and money, Our sons and daughters will pay for this pathetic worthless politician's mistakes. The Obama loyal are either to blind or to foolish to see, as for the Teacher that equated Bush to hitler, why is that ass clown still employed? Not poor judgement indoctrination by a socialist The district superintendent spit out a huge mouthful of meaningless platitudes Typical ... | ||
| Drkside79 |
OK The Bush Hitler thing is complete BS. and if true i dont want a person like that near my children. I pray its a fictitious internet BS. As for ISIS being Muslim yes they claim to be. However i also do not consider them Muslim no more than i consider someone murdering in the name of Christ a Christian. Also did you listen to his speech? He has been authorizing gunship drone and jet attacks for months. Do you honestly thing that a ground war is needed? Why not train others to kill so Americans aren't the ones dying in sand again? At this point i feel that you may be so mislead by your own animosity towards the POTUS that you can hear nothing but perceived missteps in his speech. I am not saying that you are not right at times however this is not one of them. respectfully, Andy | ||
| Aesquire |
Drkside.... The Bush/Hitler thing may indeed be internet BS. However the "person near your children" is Common Core, and it's sponsored in large part by Bill Gates. A lovely combination of leftist propaganda, lowered standards, deliberate misinformation, and that's just what they teach your children. YOU, they lie to outright. You wanted your children to have a permanent record of all grades and reports, integrated with physical and mental health records, and available to Walmart, but not you, the parent, right? Also the use of your child as an informant on YOUR habits and hobbies. Yes, your kid will be asked if you own a gun, what news you watch, and if you ever make statements that are against the Powers That Be. I would have told you the above was a paranoid rant.... just 2 years ago. Now that's it's rolled out in NY we have seen a pattern of arrests of people that speak up against it in School board meetings. It's so Soviet it's deja vu all over again. Look it up... but not on a Commie core website, they lie outright. As to ISIS being Muslim.... Yes. By the Book. In fact the "moderate islam" often spoken of does not, in fact exist at all. You have heard that American Catholics are "Cafeteria Catholics"? Meaning they pick and choose the rules they want to follow. There are a LOT of such Christians in the US, who sorta believe what they were taught as a child, but don't buy the whole organized religion line of BS which is far more a money making company than a religious group.... I was one of them not so long ago. Another term might be secular Christian. You know, "I love Jesus but I really only go to church for Easter and Christmas." Well, there are several million secular Muslims. They may or may not pray on schedule, they may or may not go to Mosque regularly, they don't want to enslave you in accordance with the Law Of God As Spoken By The Prophet, and they, mostly, live in the US. They are not considered mainstream Muslim anywhere on earth, except here. The folk who run ISIS, or AQ, or the Wahabists sponsored by the Saudi kings ( who bribe the mullahs to leave the Royal family in power ) ARE mainstream Islam. If one group hates another because one is Shia and another Sunni, so what? BOTH are certain that they are of the One True Faith and all others are the enemy and perversions of Islam. ( the Difference between Sunni and Shia is really between which Son of the Prophet they followed back in the 8th century. Countless million have died, and countless thousands die each year, today, on that important historical split. ) So, no matter what Obama, an Apostate Muslim ( by his own words ) tells you, or you see on CNN, the Islamic Jihad is the mainstream of Religious thought, and while those who actually behead people on camera are a tiny minority.... is it not always true that most people are good, and a few are evil? In the case of Islam, the basic rules are straightforward and known to all who bother to look. Sharia is the fusion of politics, behavior, and faith. It's pretty damn ugly in the way it treats women, infidels, and puppies. That's not a "perversion" of the Faith. It's the Faith. Ground war? The Ground war is in progress. Why not train others to kill so Americans aren't the ones dying in sand again? We were doing that, but between George listening to his advisers about "sensitivity" and Barack pulling the troops out... we didn't finish the job. I myself think George did great a job of letting his Generals win the war against Saddam. The occupation was a total screwup. The occupation turned into a war to save the Iraqi people from Saddam's clan, and foreign fighters sent in to try and take Iraq for Iran. ( mostly... oversimplification ) Obama's actions aiding the people that are now calling themselves ISIS in his support for the wrong Syrian rebels, and other factors mentioned by me above, led to this summer's mass rapes, slave trade, and conquest... Do I want to send US troops back into Iraq? Not under Obama's command. He still doesn't know what a Corpse Man does. | ||
| Sifo |
The Bush Hitler thing is complete BS. The Bush Hitler thing is completely true... http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/DC-Sixth-G rade-Teacher-Has-Students-Compare-Hitler-Bush-2747 08231.html You may consider them to not be Muslim, but clearly there are many Muslims who think this way. Far more than the tiny minority that so many people claim. As a matter of fact, Muslims have been killing in the name of Islam since the beginning of the religion. That's an historical fact. When they aren't killing non Muslims they are killing Muslims that they don't completely agree with. Then you have the "honor" killings in the name of the faith. That's people killing their own family members. It's surprisingly common. The Koran is full of this stuff. Very different from the killing that is in the Old Testament of the Bible. In fact, I find it disturbing that Muslims account for about 20% of the worlds population, but account for the vast majority of terrorism. I would be curious to here a plausible explanation for that, if this isn't Islam. Sometimes you have to accept the facts of reality. No, I didn't listen to BO's speech. I have been conditioned to not believe him when his lips are moving. That is an issue that I have. I do find it interesting though, that BO seems to be justifying the bombing of sovereign countries, using many of the same reasoning that lead to the invasion of Iraq. Of course, BO is skipping the step of going to Congress, and at this point has little in the way of an international coalition. Somehow this is seen as a good thing now. I really don't get it. BO has disrupted the balance of power in much of the Middle East. This has left power vacuums that tend to be filled with bad actors. I can think of very few instances in history where leaving a power vacuum works out well for those involved. It historically goes bad by a huge margin. It should be expected. Now he is talking about little more than killing off those in power again, and hoping that the vacuum get filled with something better. I will judge that by the results rather than the words of last nights speech. My expectations a very low. Iraq, like the war or not (I don't think anyone actually liked the idea), was a victory that just had to be kept stabilized, and nurtured. Unfortunately, that time is measured in many years, possibly decades. GWB warned what would happen by getting out too early. He was right on target with that warning. BO thought he knew better. Now the entire region is in huge turmoil that could easily become WWIII. I really hope not. We are getting to the point of fewer and fewer good options though. Pinpoint drone strikes aren't going to make it happen. That much, I'm certain of. Good hearing from you Andy. Hope things are shaping up with becoming a southerner. | ||
| Court |
On July 12, 2007 President George W. Bush made some predictions of what a premature withdrawal of troops, just to hasten leaving for politically expediency, could do. Anyone point to any of these that are no spot-on accurate?
I'm not sure Bush was the brightest guy to ever hold the Office . . .but he damn sure nailed this one. The current resident is totally clueless and the laughing stock of the country. | ||
| Fb1 |
To believe that 0bama has an effective plan for dealing with the current state of affairs in the Middle East, one must assume that he is unhappy with the current state of affairs in the Middle East. I make no such assumptions. | ||
| Fb1 |
Source, more: http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2014/09/10/vetted-modera te-free-syrian-army-commander-admits-alliance-with -isis-confirms-pj-media-reporting/ | ||
| Aesquire |
Follow up for Drkside. The people who are Muslim are, for the vast majority, not bad people. Just like Most ( your choice ) are good folk. The problem is that the founders of the many Islamic churches were not, to a large degree, good people. Feel free to have your own opinion on The Prophet. I'm not a big fan, like I'm not a huge fan of many very successful generals. Tamerlane for example. Smart, utterly ruthless, and he won. Might be a great guy to do a scotch or hooka with. Wouldn't want my daughter to marry. And dissing The Prophet is a Capital Crime, so I'm not going to. The trouble is, like with Alexander the Great, when the object of the cult of personality died, the government he built shattered under the ambition of relatives and rivals. That's where you get most of the divisions of Islam. Then about the 14th century, when Europe and Africa were starting to pull out of the dark ages brought by the fall of Rome and the plagues, a group of Mullahs saw the direction of classical liberal thought and knew it a threat to them. So they dragged most of the Faith back to the 8th century... Which is where they are stuck. This cemented Islam into it's original purpose, which is ( From a Purely Secular viewpoint ) a mass psychology experiment in brainwashing and societal control. Feel free to so consider any other organized religion. I will also point out the Leftist State Centered government cultists are the same kind of psych control con. So to be fair are the ideal of Western Civilization based on Greek Democracy, the Magna Carta, and the Us Constitution. I just prefer that last one since our standard of living, general happiness, and quality of toys is much better than the older and nastier alternatives. You know, Freedom is good. So, as in all things human. Small groups of really evil men get in positions of power and mess it up for the rest of us. | ||
| Torquehd |
The people who are Muslim are, for the vast majority, not bad people. Bad is so relative these days. Good muslims are bad people. Bad muslims can be good people. the founders of the many Islamic churches were not, to a large degree, good people Let's start with the founder of Islam himself. And islam and churches don't go in the same sentence, unless you also include the word "burning". You're not a fan of a man who slew innocent people in the name of Islam? Funny, neither am I. dissing The Prophet is a Capital Crime Let me be the first to unapologetically say that Mohamed was a liar and a tool of satan himself. the fall of Rome Islam's purpose... the destruction of Christianity. Who is behind it? The devil himself. Sorry if this offends any God-fearing Catholics... I am not against Catholics as a whole. But unfortunately, it is a fact that there is a lot of occult involvement in the hidden places of the catholic church... I know a lot of Catholics who are good Christians and are undoubtedly going to heaven. But there are some who are led astray. I post the video because this perspective of islam makes a whole lot of sense. Small groups of really evil men get in positions of power Thus the need for an armed populace and a general demographic of men who have good, conservative morals (morality ultimately comes from God, FYSA). I'm not claiming to be an expert on this stuff, but I have my eyes and ears open, and even an unindoctrinated child could tell you that Islam is bad, and that our Resident supports the empirical rise of Islam on a global scale. And I must argue that the Constitution drafted by our forefathers was ahead of it's time, written by men who were nothing short of genius, and an ideology founded on releasing the individual from the control of the social majority. America was founded as a constitutional republic. But it seems to me that we have forsaken our forefathers intentions, and are now living in a (state which is closer to a) democracy. As I understand it. Republics protect the right of the individual. Democracies simply demand the individual to conform to the will of the majority. Even if the majority is wrong (or just plain stupid). | ||
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| Fb1 |
The pResident seems pretty clear on this point: http://youtu.be/EKayUhJxMzI | ||
| Reindog |
Andy, It is refreshing to read your calm, rational response where you mostly support this pResident. From my perspective, Obama has been one continuous liar and has not demonstrated one ounce of backbone as he sways to and fro based on poll data. There is no reason to trust him and he does the opposite of what he proclaims that he is going to do. Everyone knows the list of grievances so they will not be repeated here. That said, Obama needs to build a real coalition which will be virtually impossible as he has estranged countries from Saudi Kingdom, Israel, Iraq, the EU mostly because of his monstrous ego. He has sat for six years in the White House surrounded by a moat and the drawbridge raised. It is the Leader's responsibility to reach out to Congress and build coalitions. Reagan and Clinton did it. Obama didn't and probably can't. It is not impossible but HE must change. One nanosecond after Obama's speech, John Kerry (did you know he served in Vietnam?) said we are not at war. That is total BS which has become the trademark of this failed administration. Let's hope that Obama can find a way to change himself. I am not holding my breath. | ||
| Reindog |
This is what I mean.  | ||
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| Fb1 |
Let's hope that Obama can find a way to change himself. I am not holding my breath. 0bama was hired to do ONE job, and he's done it very well. He has no need, nor desire, to "change" himself - he's been quite successful staying true to his radical, communist, America-hating upbringing. Not holding my breath, either... Thus the need for an armed populace and a general demographic of men who have good, conservative morals... Amen, brother. Power corrupts, and the Founders did their best to prepare us for that inevitable corruption. Brilliant men, they. | ||
| Sifo |
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| Sifo |
Did anyone else catch the special that Fox News had 13 hours at Benghazi? I'm not sure that anything new came out in that, but it did show three people who were there that day who are all in agreement in disputing some of the official lines that we have been fed. The one major one being that there was no stand down order give. These are the people who received that stand down order. They name who gave the order to them. Why can't we find out the truth on where the order originated? Probably the same reason we can't find out who sicked the IRS on conservative groups. Many other scandals too. It's a cover up and most of the main stream media is complicit. | ||
| Aesquire |
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/387726/dont- give-masters-universe-their-amnesty-jeff-sessions | ||
| Reepicheep |
The new mode of coverup is just to stall until you are out of office. | ||
| Aesquire |
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/387736/islam ic-state-really-not-islamic-jonah-goldberg Instead of Americans trying to persuade Muslims of the world that terrorism is un-Islamic, why shouldn’t Muslims be working harder to convince us? Think about it. Whenever a tiny minority of bad actors hurts the reputation of its ethnicity, faith, or cause by doing terrible things in the name of its ethnicity, faith, or cause, the responsible thing is for the moderate, decent majority to cry “Not in our name!” or “They don’t speak for us!” That is what morally decent Jews, Christians, atheists, whites, blacks, Italians, Irish, liberals, conservatives, libertarians, socialists, environmentalists, and pretty much every other classification of people I can think of do whenever their cause is hijacked or their identity besmirched. Silence may not automatically imply consent, but it does invite suspicion of consent. To be sure, there are Muslims who have had precisely this reaction as well. But can anyone deny that the world would be a better place if more Muslims felt — and demonstrated — that terrorists were giving them a bad name? | ||
| Sifo |
It's dawned on me that we live under leadership where having a binder full of women's resumes that you may consider hiring is considered to be an act of war, but dropping bombs on people is not. I think that George Orwell would have rejected such a thing as too unbelievable for his works of fiction. | ||
| Fb1 |
It's dawned on me that we live under leadership where having a binder full of women's resumes that you may consider hiring is considered to be an act of war... Don't forget that he also wanted to kill Big Bird... | ||
| Sifo |
Don't forget that he also wanted to kill Big Bird... Who hasn't at one time or another?  | ||
| Reepicheep |
Speaking of Orwell... http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/09/12/dont-ca ll-it-war-administration-hit-for-refusing-to-use-w -word-for-isis-mission/ It's not a war... it's, ummm, an anti workplace violence program. (In reference of the unwillingness of the administration and their partners in the mainstream media to admit that any recent terrorist attacks were terrorist attacks, because that demonstrates how wrong they have been). | ||
| Sifo |
The smartest man in the room refuses to listen to the experts. He hasn't listened for close to six years now, and still hasn't learned anything. He's in way over his head and hasn't a clue what to do about it beyond go golfing. The current situation is NOT GWB's fault. President Obama Over-Ruled His Commanders on Ground Troops | ||
| Sifo |
Just WOW... http://www.washingtontimes.com/polls/2014/sep/11/what-did-you-think-president-obamas-speech-wednesd/results/  | ||
| Fb1 |
^ Not surprising. Imagine what his overall approval numbers would be if he didn't have Pravda carrying his water for the past six years... |
