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     Geedee |
There IS a difference in the parties, though. It's important. The line that there is no difference is propaganda made up by the losing side. ( the D's in this case, since/before 2010 ) Aesquire, if you put 'Left' and 'Right' on a circle, instead of a straight line, then they are as close to each other as they are far away. "A constitutional republic is a state in which the head of state and other officials are representatives of the people and must govern according to existing constitutional law that limits the government's power over all of its citizens. Because the head of the state is elected, it is a republic and not a monarchy." Isn't the Governing Party supposed to just govern according to Rule of Law and The Constitution, on behalf of 'we the people'? The fact that Left and Right now seems so important surely indicates that America isn't being governed as a Constitutional Republic, but as a Constitutional Democracy. The 18 year old article here indicates what is going on : http://university.ucadia.info/news.php?item.134.23 Thomas J. DiLorenzo "The government schools long ago gave up teaching anything significant about the founding fathers, the Constitution, and the philosophy of limited government — other than to trash and demean them. In a democracy it is not in the state's best interest to educate its own citizens about the virtues of limited government, and ours doesn't. And it certainly will never make any attempt to do so with the hordes of new immigrants it hopes to attract (and register to vote). Belief in the Constitution is essentially a lost cause. That's why it is unpatriotic to vote. Being patriotic in America means being devoted to the Constitution, if not the natural rights philosophy that motivated much of it. Since neither of the major political parties has any interest whatsoever in enforcing the constitutional limitations on the state, they are all traitors to the Constitution (with one lone exception, Congressman Ron Paul). Anyone who supports them is also behaving in a traitorous manner. That is, anyone who votes for any of them. Voting only allows these traitors to the Constitution to proclaim that "the people have spoken" and "I am your president," or congressman, senator, governor, or whatever. Their legitimacy rests solely on their ability to make this claim. Imagine what a patriotic thrill you would receive if, in the next presidential election, a mere 10 percent of the electorate, instead of the usual 50 percent or so, voted. The unconstitutional regime in Washington would be de-legitimized. The upside is that it might just be possible that some politicians in Washington would get the message and start behaving more like a George Washington or Thomas Jefferson than a Tony Soprano or Vito Corleone (with apologies to all the distinguished Italian-Americans out there). The downside is that they will keep on behaving as they do now — with complete contempt for the Constitution and the population it is supposed to benefit. So be patriotic: Don't vote." October 9, 2008 http://www.lewrockwell.com/dilorenzo/dilorenzo59.h tml http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbFty9nZUac Well, Ron Paul is a lost cause, Obama is a Statist/Socialist and Romney a Capitalist/Corporatist. Combine the two ideologies and you have 'Capitalist Socialism' or what used to be called Fascism, corporate controlled statism. Which seems to have been the agenda for a long time, and America is almost there. What you have is the illusion of choice. | ||
| Aesquire |
I thought Obama's giving our money to the big business types that bribe him was fascism, Chicago style, all by itself. I realize that "proving" quid pro quo is nigh impossible, but sufficient "anecdotal" evidence, in the form of multiple "green energy" companies, multiple Wall street firms, the donation of GM to the Unions, the thousands of waivers from Obamacare ( did ANY of those companies NOT donate to Barry? ) and, just as scary, the thousands of Chrysler dealers closed because the owners donated to the other party. Seems to me Mussolini would be proud, and Obama's signature nose high roman pose is the same as that Italian fascist dictator. DilLorenzo's cynical view is understandable. But if only 10% of the people voted, the victors would certainly NOT be us, the people, but the pols who would laugh all the way to the bank. "De-ligitimize???" HA! that's silly. Legitimacy is nothing, Power is all. As it is they assume that 48% vote one party and 48% vote the other. The competition is two fold One, get that 4% to vote for you, and Two, get some of the other guys 48% to stay home. The "get them to stay home" is the most important. That's Obama's main effort in the endless smears in his Forever Campaign. You are falling for it. I don't even like Romney. He's a politician. So's Obama. So that cancelled out, eh? I'd vote for darn near anyone slightly right of the Chicago Facsist. And you are right, Ron Paul is a lost cause. Only by changing the party structure, a long term problem, can you get genuine change. The D's show no sign of changing from their anti-constitution, racist, leftist, class envy hatred stance. They've become far more leftist, and anti-constitutional over the years. Hidden the overt racism of the Klan in the subtle racism of the urban welfare plantation and drumbeat of worthlessness. ( after all, NO Black man succeeds on his own, he needs the Government to raise him up. Ask Barry Dunham. How did he get through college? HE didn't Build That Life. ( made up large parts of it, true ) The R's have the Tea Party trying desperately to reform them away from the complacent 2nd rate always the minority country club "Corporatists" as you put it. There's a glimmer, faint and flickering, of hope for them. Your cynicism is cultivated by evil people who want you to be discouraged and futile. Suicide is not the answer. | ||
| Aesquire |
Actually, "left and right" work best if drawn as a spiral, just like the Table of Elements. Not a circle. Depicting a 3 dimensional chart like that is difficult on newsprint, though. Think of the "extreeeems" of each ideology as wrapped around so they lie above and below each other. You do have to label the axis' correctly. In some cases, such as the Occupy and Tea Party folk, they are close on the "want change" axis ( though the Occupiers true mission is a conservative, keep the pols in power one ) but are far apart on the "by any means" scale. One smashes window and defecates in public, the other cleans up the parks after the rally. You have to chose the parameters carefully. Or alternatively, use s 2D chart like the one "Political Compass" uses. http://www.politicalcompass.org/ Looking forward to Barack's speech exploiting the Aurora shooting. Shame is not an emotion he's ever admitted to.  | ||
| Cityxslicker |
make no mistake, there was graft, greed, cronyism and favoritism in Communism. Often the result was whether you lived through the night or not.... or how many nights. | ||
| Reindog |
The San Diego Union ran this editorial about the five worst Presidents in US History (Carter comes in second), which I find astounding this far away from Election Day. Rebuttals are welcome but please refrain from the childish mantra about how this is all Bush's fault. After all, we are motorcyclists and not five year olds. After all, Obama is in a position of leadership and must take responsibility for his actions and inactions. I will be the first to say the same thing about President Romney four years from now if Romney acts like Obama. ------- Presidential busts: The worst of all: Barack Obama (2009-?) Editor's note: It's a presidential election year, so we thought we'd weigh in with our list of the five worst presidents. We start with, yes, the current incumbent. See our other choices at U-T Opinion online. He took office at a time when the U.S. economy was on its worst slide in 75 years, but pushed policies using borrowed money that were more meant to preserve government jobs than broadly help the private sector where the great majority of Americans work, ensuring the jobs crisis continued. He railed against the heavy spending and big deficits of his predecessor, but blithely backed budgets that had triple the deficits ever seen in American history. He promised a smart, sweeping overhaul of the U.S. health care system, but ended up giving us a Byzantine mess promoted to the public with myths: that offering subsidized care to tens of millions of people would save money; that people would keep their own doctors; that access to care wouldn’t change; and that rationing would never happen. He promised a more sophisticated approach to the economy than that of his predecessor, but had so little common sense that his health law actually gave businesses a big financial incentive to discontinue providing health insurance to their employees. He offered hosannas to genius entrepreneurs like Steve Jobs in his prepared remarks, but when speaking off the cuff betrayed his faculty-lounge view of the world, saying of businesspeople, “if you’ve been successful, you didn’t get there on your own.” He swore to bring overdue oversight and honest accounting to the corporate world, but made flagrantly dishonest claims about General Motors paying back its government loans that would have triggered a criminal fraud investigation in the private sector. He promised to set a high new standard for ethics in the White House, but used a baffling claim of executive privilege to shield his embattled attorney general from the repercussions of a cover-up involving the death of a federal law enforcement officer. He denounced his predecessor for permitting harsh interrogation tactics with suspected terrorists, but once in office somehow concluded that a better, more moral approach would just be to use drones to assassinate such suspects without getting any information from them. He presented himself as a shrewd student of Washington politics, but once in office displayed a counterproductive standoffishness to many Democratic lawmakers eager to embrace him, never developing the broad range of personal relationships that often mark a successful presidency. He ran as a unifying force who would bring in a new era of civility and racial healing to Washington, but once in office embraced ugly, Chicago-style political hardball that saw nothing wrong with his supporters’ loathsome practice of depicting opposition to his policies as being driven by racism. He constantly offered praise for the wisdom and insights of the American public, but reacted to the broad discontent over Obamacare, high unemployment and vast deficits by saying it was a failure of his administration to properly explain its glorious record to a confused populace – not a predictable reaction to his struggles and ineffectiveness. And in December 2011 – at a time in which one-quarter of American adults who wanted full-time work couldn’t find it, after a year in which the federal deficit was a staggering $1.3 trillion – here was what Barack Obama had to say for himself in a CBS interview: “I would put our legislative and foreign policy accomplishments in our first two years against any president, with the possible exceptions of Johnson, FDR and Lincoln.” Unbelievable. If self-reverence were a crime, our current president would be facing a life sentence. For the good of America, let’s pray we have someone else in charge of the federal government come Jan. 20, 2013. | ||
| Blake |
>>> "He promised a more sophisticated approach to the economy than that of his predecessor, but had so little common sense that his health law actually gave businesses a big financial incentive to discontinue providing health insurance to their employees." Assuming that was accidental is a mistake. Obama is all about Cloward-Piven. He doesn't like the constitution. | ||
| Geedee |
Well Aesquire, I did the politicalcompass quiz, and now I don't know what I am :-). They put me in the green box and I don't like being 'put in a box'. Interesting. I'm a big fan of a certain modern day Joe Doakes. | ||
| Jb2 |
>>> Obama is all about Cloward-Piven. He doesn't like the constitution. +1 Blake! Good to see others are also figuring out the bigger picture. Every person he can get on welfare, disability or hire as a government employee is an almost guaranteed vote. http://cnsnews.com/news/article/8753935-workers-di sability-set-another-record-july-exceed-population -39-states http://www.infowars.com/tsa-employees-overwhelmingly-back-obama-for-second-term/ (Message edited by jb2 on July 24, 2012) | ||
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| Moxnix |
Nodded off while watching a documentary about Ayn Rand on Netflix last night. Atlas Shrugged was her reflection and fear of "REGIMENTISM." Definition of REGIMENTAL 1: of or relating to a regiment 2: authoritative, dictatorial Definition of REGIMENT 1: governmental rule | ||
| Cityxslicker |
still trying to get through the second half of the that before the movie comes out she nails so many things ahead of their time in that book.... because she had lived through the genre already in the USSR. Cloward and Piven all you want.... but better also read Lenin, Marx, and Stalin - because the guy in the seat at Pennsylvania Ave certainly is being faithful to their Cliff's Notes. | ||
| Court |
I'm confused. The Big O is here in town . . . speaking about how "in touch with middle America" . . . .at a $40,000 per plate dinner. His wife . . . surrounded by her minions who took the shot at Sarah Palin's clothes and Ann Romney's $900 blouse . . just went to meet the Queen at the Olympics . . wearing a $6,800 blouse. Idiots . . these folks are pure unadulterated bloomin' idiots. | ||
| Moxnix |
Big O has to start war he's been prepping with Iran before September 21, when a meeting on an island in the Persian Gulf destroys the Petrodollar basis for all international oil transactions. Or, he lets the deal go down, assuring the demise of our economy. Half the people in this country believe he is doing good things for them. Half don't. The third half (joke) will role with the punches. | ||
| Teeps |
Anyone seen this movie yet? http://2016themovie.com/ Dr. Dinesh D'Souza, NY Times Bestselling author's new film, "2016: Obama's America" - Love Him, Hate Him, You Don't Know Him! D'Souza's film debuts August 2016. | ||
| Court |
I'm watching this kook on the tube . . . "I saved the American automobile industry". Quick . . . . Someone tell GM. Their last couple cars have flopped big time . . . they just fired their marketing director . . . .their stock is in the tank and they are not making payments on $26,000,000,000 of debt to you and I. Then some genius decided to spend about $600,000,000 on splashing their name on soccer jerseys . . . pure genius.
Good save Big O ! | ||
| Court |
If a "neighborhood organizer" (who's never held a real job) . . .offers to "Save" you . . . .run like hell.  | ||
| Cityxslicker |
that graph should be rereported with actual American numbers - ie how many jobs were created here, how many factories built, how many assembly lines, what was the investment back into AMERICA ..... and now you are getting the picture that as bad as it is - very little of the 'good' is coming to roost back home at all. meanwhile - China will copy, source, and produce GM/Chevy-esque product to sell BACK to the supply chain and GM will be forced to buy it... and then the counterfeits will start to show up. It is exactly as they did to the Russians with the AK, MiG, Styx, and Gadfly.... and soon the Admiral Kuznetzov carrier. the coming currency flop with the mid east will squash any 'success' this administration can claim - and it will be the perfect excuse for them to say they need to do MORE to SAVE us..... typical. | ||
| Iamike |
It just doesn't end in their waste. http://www.insideline.com/chevrolet/volt/2012/2012 -chevrolet-volt-becomes-centerpiece-of-smart-commu nity.html | ||
| Oldog |
how "in touch with middle America" . . . .at a $40,000 per plate dinner. why are intelligent achievers supporting him at all ? I don't understand. } | ||
| Reindog |
Laurie and I just arrived home from MotoGP at Laguna Seca a few minutes ago. The Uly performed flawlessly over 1218 miles. One highlight was our visit to the Ronald Reagan Presidential Library. We encourage all Badwebbers to visit this library to be inspired by his greatness and see the irony of how absolutely wrong that Obama is. "There is no limit to what a man can do or where he can go if he doesn’t mind who gets the credit." - President Reagan. Can you imagine Obama saying (and practicing) that? "Man is not free unless government is limited.... As government expands, liberty contracts". -President Reagan. Obama is 180 degrees away from this belief. "Freedom is the recognition that no single person, no single authority or government has a monopoly on the truth, but that every individual life is infinitely precious, that every one of us put in this world has been put there for a reason and has something to offer. It´s so hard for government planners, no matter how sophisticated, to ever substitute for millions of individuals working night and day to make their dreams come true. The fact is, bureaucracies are a problem around the world." -President Reagan. Obama: "You didn't build that" "Republicans believe the best way to assure prosperity is to generate more jobs. The Democrats believe in more welfare". -President Reagan The distinction between Reagan and the current President occupying the White House is astounding. Reagan was everything that Obama is not and can never be. Obama hides in fortress White House and doesn't lunch with either opponents or even fellow Democrats. President Reagan enthusiastically engaged his opponents whether it be Tip O'Neill or President Gorbachev. Reagan achieved greatness. Obama is achieving exactly what?? PS: Here are a few more. "Only when the human spirit is allowed to invent and create, only when individuals are given a personal stake in deciding economic policies and benefiting from their success -- only then can societies remain economically alive, dynamic, prosperous, progressive and free". "No government ever voluntarily reduces itself in size. Government programs, once launched, never disappear. Actually, a government bureau is the nearest thing to eternal life we'll ever see on this earth!" "Nations crumble from within when the citizenry asks of government those things which the citizenry might better provide for itself. ... [I] hope we have once again reminded people that man is not free unless government is limited. There's a clear cause and effect here that is as neat and predictable as a law of physics: As government expands, liberty contracts." "The taxpayer; that's someone who works for the federal government, but doesn´t have to take a civil service examination." | ||
| Geedee |
Oldie but goodie. | ||
| Buellinmke |
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| Hootowl |
Red herring (and a repost). Those loopholes were closed. What the creators of that bit of misrepresentation would have you believe is that the income tax is not progressive. It is. Investment income is taxed the same for everyone (as it should be) and in fact, it is taxed twice. All income should be taxed at the same rate, but that is a different argument. | ||
| Geedee |
Buellinmke, it matters not, it is all a scam. http://www.usavsus.info/ The Internal Revenue Code states that "gross income means all income from whatever source derived," and gives specific examples.[2] The examples are not all inclusive. The term "income" is not defined in the law or regulations. "All individual Income Tax revenues are gone before one nickel is spent on services taxpayers expect from government" Ronald Reagan, 1984 (Grace Commission Report provided the information Reagan used) | ||
| Reindog |
It just keeps getting better and better with Obama. He just signed an Executive Order which will lead to racial quotas for school disciplinary actions. From PJTV: "The White House thinks that schools are providing too much discipline to black students, and it is proposing race-based quotas for school suspensions. That's right, affirmative action for school discipline. Could Asian students be disciplined more to meet quota requirements? That's what Trifecta thinks. Hear what race-based school discipline means for American education". Trifecta: Racial Quotas for School Discipline | ||
| Hootowl |
Saw a bumper sticker this morning: Please don't tell Obama what comes after a trillion. | ||
| Geedee |
One man can not do all this stuff. Please watch this. "Though the precise definition of Fascism may be argued, I am talking here of Fascism as defined as the corporate control of government. Or as the Godfather of Fascism, Benito Mussolini, once summed it up: “Fascism should more properly be called corporatism, since it is the merger of state and corporate power.” In the early 1900s, the Italians who invented the term Fascism also described it as “estato corporativo,” meaning: the corporate state." Franklin D. Roosevelt once described Fascism this way: “The liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people tolerate the growth of private power to a point where it becomes stronger than their democratic state itself. That, in its essence, is fascism — ownership of government by … a group, or any controlling private power.” CORPORATISM Composed of, encourages, and creates a corporate structure of corporations and big businesses that use people as human resources to further its goal to grow and expand and become more powerful thereby eliminating competition and becoming more controlling. The thing created (the corporation) becomes more powerful than the creator (man) who created it. Man is no longer free but is subservient (a slave) to the corporate structure. The corporate structure needs to reduce the wages of its human resources to decrease cost to increase profit to keep growing. Corporations eat each other and grow bigger and more powerful thereby allowing fewer persons having big egos controlling the lives of the common folk from cradle to grave. Corporations have no feelings. Corporations' primary purpose is to grow and are thereby less responsible and less sympathetic towards the people, thereby rely on and utilize insurance or other resources such as the corporate government to bail themselves out of irresponsible critical situations. Most often, people start with a free enterprise but choose to be incorporated into the government structural system. To incorporate is to become a part of something bigger. Therefore, corporations are creatures created by the so-called government and are no longer a free enterprise. Corporations become big uncontrollable monsters who eventually control government by putting their people into office to maintain control. These monsters got out of their cages when they made fictions such as corporations equal with people by calling them "persons" having the rights equal to people. Most corporations eat each other up and become huge monsters, thereby creating monopolies that stifle "capitalism" in its true meaning. Corporations do not want competition. They want to eliminate competition using their power and politicians they purchased. They want to capture the system and use it for their benefit." VOTER "Registering to vote" is an admission that the declarant is subject to the exclusive legislative power of the corporate Congress and is a 14th Amendment citizen residing in federal territory. "…the right to vote at any election… is denied… except for participation in rebellion, or other crime…" --Section 2 of the 14th Amendment, U.S. Constitution Rather than remaining a state national, one becomes a U.S. citizen participating in the rebellion by voting in the corporate government system and or signing up for benefits and privileges." "Stop and think for a moment as to voting. When you vote for an office to be filled in the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA or one of its SUB-CORPORATIONS (THE STATE OF TEXAS), you have voted to fill a fictional corporate position designed to represent the CORPORATION, not a political position to represent the people. All elections in the "United States" are nothing more than proxy fights in a board room!" Ed. Brannum (Secretary of Privatization; Provisional Government; Republic of Texas) Now when I get back from my ride, I hope you will have sorted this mess. Lots of people counting on you all to kill the beast. | ||
| Moxnix |
http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/109211/Som ething_is_happening_in_Anaheim_Why_the_Media_Black out_Amber_Lyon__RT/ Notable news from several vantage points, that. Please note (that) RT on the reporter's logo stands for Russia Today, an international news cable channel like CNN. When police uniforms went from standard to the type worn on SWAT teams via TV and movies, I thought they were being swayed by the entertainment industry to "look" a certain way. Now the DHS wants them to have an agressive presence in these costumes/uniforms. I haven't been to Anaheim in years, would have missed the back story entirely if not for Russia Today aggravating both sides for the entertainment of their viewers. | ||
| Sifo |
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| Chauly |
What do they call that, a "soft pitch"? "I put my chances of getting re-elected at..." |
