| Author | Message | ||
     Wolfridgerider |
Ron Paul would have been my 1st choice.... but had no chance. So I have to go with the guy that is somewhat close to how I believe. I have called my 401K dude and told him to move it to Bonds.... I hope I don't lose half again | ||
| Davegess |
 I have a big smile this morning. Now go ahead and insult me, I'll ignore them. | ||
| Sifo |
I see our markets are in the tank as they open today. The future is painfully obvious for those who are paying attention. Cataract2, when exactly did the GOP "have" the youth vote? The problem is that the youth are gullible, and the Democrats have preyed on gullibility for generations.  | ||
| Sifo |
I have a big smile this morning. Now go ahead and insult me, I'll ignore them. Dave, I have no interest in insulting you, but it would be great if you could express why exactly you feel that four more year of BO is a good thing for our country. | ||
| Cataract2 |
Sifo, you are just proving my point. Head in sand much? Oh, keep insulting those who don't agree with you too with name calling and other stuff. You just push them away some more and make it easier for them to not listen to ANY point you make. (If they truly are points.) I've watched the politics threads all the way up to today. I had a strong feeling on what was going to happen and what do you know? I was right. The GOP failed. They should take some comfort in the fact they hold the House though. Least the DEM can't just ram s*** down our throats again. (I love grid lock. Keeps things somewhat mellow.) You say the youth is gullible and you never had their vote. Talk about a defeatist attitude. Did you ever try to look beyond calling them gullible to why you aren't reaching them? Don't make excuses. | ||
| Sifo |
Did you ever try to look beyond calling them gullible to why you aren't reaching them? I'm asking constantly. | ||
| Cityxslicker |
youth and age have nothing to do with it. I have never voted that side of the aisle, in ballot or ideology. I will avoid the name calling and point to history, precedence, actions, intent; this was a poor decision. The decision to remain poor. Learn the words; DC is already humming the tune. It is the final scene of Animal Farm where the common animals were subjected to changed laws from their original, and as they looked on the gambling drunken fest of pigs and human exploiters - it was already impossible to tell them apart. I do wish I knew the tune Nero played when Rome burned; it is time to warm up the fiddle. | ||
| Garryb |
Let me think of all the great things that the prior 8 years of a republican led nation brought us, before Obama. Hard to believe everyone didn't want to go back. | ||
| Froggy |
They did have the youth vote, including mine, up till they picked Mitt to go all the way. Really, Mitt? He couldn't even beat Obama, that should tell you something about how bad of a decision they made. Most of the other candidates would of resulted in an easy win. I am with Wolfie on Ron Paul, he seemed the most logical and level headed of the Repubs running. | ||
| Macbuell |
We're sunk. We will officially be at a point where there are more people more interested in protecting their government assistance than are willing to do the right thing for the long term health of the nation very soon. When that happens, the Republican party will have little to no chance of ever winning a Presidential election. As far as the future is concerned I see a depression in our future. As soon as Obama raises taxes the economy will grind to a standstill. Eventually, due to our enormous debt, inflation will start to kick in and interest rates will rise. That will be followed shortly by significant increases in unemployment. In the end it will make the recession we are still in now look like nothing. And all the idiots that voted for Obama will only have themselves to blame. Sad fact ... Obama got 97% percent of the Black vote even though unemployment is up considerably for blacks under Obama and average income for Blacks is down considerably under Obama. So what drove their decision making process? There is a saying ..."I can't fix Stupid". Unfortunately the stupid are now the majority. (Message edited by macbuell on November 07, 2012) | ||
| Glitch |
Like when an unstoppable force meets an immovable object, we now know what happens when a candidate so weak anybody can beat him meets a candidate so weak he cannot beat anybody. Americans vote for the status quo. | ||
| Sifo |
They did have the youth vote, including mine, up till they picked Mitt to go all the way. Excuse my disbelief Froggy, but based on past posts you've made on political threads, I just have a hard time believing that you ever supported a GOP candidate for President. Putting all of that aside though, would you like to express what it is about Mitt that lost your vote? Would you like to express who you had on the ballot that you found to be a better choice? I really am interested in hearing this from anyone. | ||
| Fast2win |
Mitt Romneys congratulations speech was very presidential and as gracious as the man he is. I believe he would have made a great president. Finally I thought a man with no skeletons in his closet. A stand up good man. But America has spoken, and is choosing a very different path. I too hope Obamas second term is much better than his 1st. But my suspicion is it wont be. My pay too is down significantly, my health care cost beyond a burden and rising. Way too much of my pay goes to things I wonder how bad I really need. Health ins. is unaffordable for me to cover my family so my children are on gov. aid for health ins.Im not proud of that but It would literally take almost 1/2 of my take home pay to put them on my employers heath care. I dont want free healthcare I want affordable healthcare. Obama has not delivered that. He promised lower healthcare mine went up 10% last year alone. He promised to cut the deficit in 1/2 he over doubled it. I see rising costs on everything we buy. And I see America paying for things around the world and helping a lot people that I feel dont do enough themselves to help society. I work over 50 hrs a week pay my taxes, and I dont think i get my moneys worth. Government regulation has killed a lot of business. Take for instance the auto industry. Most of us here as motorcyclist should appreciate this. We have crash standard saftey features that make designing and manufacturing cars very expensive, and we jump on our bike and in some case with no gear and take a risk of getting seriosly injured. Why cant we make the same choice with a car. Im not saying we shouldn't have all that crap but why cant I decide. The list is a obviously a mile long that is just one example. Does anybody including the democrats even understand what Obama care will really do for me or this country. It's 2074 pages for Christ sake. Will it force me too to get on government insurance. Would I even be eligible? You must pass it to see whats inside Pelosi tells us, and we did!!! It looks like Americans would rather have more socialism than we already have and Im afraid were going to get it. If this is what the American people want my hope of the Libertarian party coming to fruition is shot to hell. God Bless America and the next 4 years. | ||
| Macbuell |
Ron Paul Logical and Level Headed? Romney was a fine choice because he was a moderate. The problem with the Republican party is it has been hijacked by the far right. Those far right idiots get their panties in a wad if the R candidate isn't as far right as they are and then they stay home rather than vote. That's really smart. So that forces the Republican candidate to move more to the right when what he needs to do is stay closer to the center. Obama won women by 30% yesterday. 30 f'n percent!!! Why do you think that was? Because some really stupid republicans with their heads really far up their asses decided to make some monumentally stupid comments regarding abortion which made abortion an issue in the Presidential race. If the Republicans are ever going to be viable ever again they have to get rid of the idiots from the far right that have latched onto really unpopular social views and become the party of fiscal conservatism. (Message edited by macbuell on November 07, 2012) | ||
| Xdigitalx |
Go back? Thats just a plain dumb statement. Electing Romney would have gotten this economy, unemployment and deficit BACK to where it should be and a hell of alot quicker than obama will ever be able to. Now the next four years will just be a continuation of the past four...America slowly declining with spurt of promise once in a while. Alot the people that voted for obama... don't have much anyways so... they are used to it...they just want everyone else to have what they have (which is not that much) I thought his acceptance speech SUKED. Isn't he gonna fix the economy so we can get a better jobs or find work for those unemployed/underemployed? (which was much easier during bush) NO... he says I have to go "continue the fight" for better jobs? WTF is that? Sounded to me like he was announcing he won't be able to help much. But.. i could be bias. A Romney Admin would get USA back on track a hell of alot faster than this Obama Admin, and would most likely read the bills/proposals and understand them before signing them into law. +10 > What Macbuell said. I still can't believe people actually voted for this guy and his dividing administration again. Un-be-friken-leavable. | ||
| Sifo |
Obama won women by 30% yesterday. 30 f'n percent!!! Why do you think that was? Because some really stupid republicans with their heads really far up their asses decided to make some monumentally stupid comments regarding abortion which made abortion an issue in the Presidential race. I have a difficult time believing that this is so simple. Why vote against Romney because of the stupid comment made by another candidate that virtually everyone disagreed with. Anyone who's decision making process is so illogical would really scare me. Beyond that, take a look at things that get said by the left that always get a pass. Why the difference in reaction? There's far more involved than one stupid comment turning away an entire segment of the population from a candidate that didn't make the comment or even agree with it. | ||
| Strokizator |
Aww come on guys. Obama won and congrats to the dems here on BadWeb. Since we're going to have him for another 4 years I hope things take a turn for the better. My guy didn't win. Now I know how Raiders fans feel. | ||
| Wolfridgerider |
DOW down over 300 points.... BYE BYE 401K... The call has been made to move it... but its to late for today. I hope it doesn't cut to deep or all I'll be left with is the change | ||
| Cyclonedon |
Hey! I have a suggestion for everybody on here. Why not go for a motorcycle ride? It's a great way to clear the head out bring an end to all this political crap. | ||
| Froggy |
I vote for who I feel is the best candidate for office, I don't give a damn what party they are working for. 4 years ago I picked McCain, 8 it was Kerry, and before that if I was of legal age would of been Gore.
To make it short and sweet, I didn't like Mitt from the beginning so I was hoping Ron would come out on top. While I felt Mitt was probably a good businessman with some sound ideas, I also felt he was out of touch with reality. I felt he was too "bought" by the banks and other large cooperations. Also he felt that paying less tax than me is "fair". There are also many of his political views which I disagree with, and while he is the lesser of the two evils, that is not good enough to get my vote. While I did believe Romney would do a better job fixing things, I didn't like his proposed ways of doing them. I ended up finding out about Gary Johnson a little over a month ago, and after doing some reading and watching a live Q&A with the public unfold I decided that he is the right candidate for me and our nation. Shame that not enough others agreed. Regarding Obama, I didn't vote for him 4 years ago because it seemed like a clear choice to me that McCain was the worthy candidate, and I felt Obama and even before that, Hillary, would be not be a good thing in office. Obama's administration has done a mixed job in my opinion these last 4 years, some things they have done like reforming health-care are going to make everyones life better in the future, while other things like the stimulus package and letting the banks off scott free did nothing but made the rich richer and the poor poorer. While I do lean toward the left, I call it as I see it and don't let what is said on Fox/CNN/etc blind me of what is really going on. | ||
| Macbuell |
Abortion was the #1 issue with women voters according to a number of polls. | ||
| Sifo |
I also felt he was out of touch with reality. I felt he was too "bought" by the banks and other large cooperations. Also he felt that paying less tax than me is "fair". So these are your big problems with Romney? Can you explain any of these? These are nothing but talking points. The tax thing is also simply false. Still paying attention to Media Matters? | ||
| Reepicheep |
Froggy, if you give a huge portion of your income to charity, you can pay as low a rate as Mitt did. If you made money, paid taxes on it, than took what is left and reinvested that to make more money, then you can pay less tax on the money you make from that as well. Thats pretty much like making you pay taxes to buy a candy bar, then deciding to tax you for it again if you eat it. The second time they tax you for the same thing, they tax you less. Nothing magic. Even if your tax "rate" was higher, the amount you paid probably had 4 to 6 fewer zeros behind it. Your total tax payment was effectively a rounding error relative to what Mitt payed. What is your logical basis that taxes should be a percent of income in the first place? I'm not trying to argue about it, I just am curious how people arrive at the conclusion that "relative rates" are the right vehicle for establishing "fair" burdens. A lot of people have been played as suckers by liberals playing fast and loose with math. Tell people what they want to hear (myself included) and math fudging becomes invisible. | ||
| Drkside79 |
Sifo part of why none of us answer you many times is (as illustrated above) when we do you dismiss it and respond the way you just did. | ||
| Sifo |
Drkside, all I dismissed was superficial talking points. I know the talking points. They were just negatives too. Nothing to express what any core beliefs are at all. I would love to see some actual dialog, but only one side seems willing. | ||
| Jima4media |
Hey Republican Party - This is your wake up call. You have 4 years to come up with a new strategy that works. Quit alienating 47% of the population. Quit trying to decide what is right for women - let them decide. Quit alienating the young voters, they are your biggest asset, if you learn how to reach them. Obama won because their party figured out how to reach a bigger percentage of the population, the independent voter that are neither Democrat or Republican. | ||
| Hybridmomentspass |
"Even if your tax "rate" was higher, the amount you paid probably had 4 to 6 fewer zeros behind it. Your total tax payment was effectively a rounding error relative to what Mitt payed. " So because Frank, myself, you, or ANYONE doesnt pay as much to the tax system it is ok for us to pay a higher percent of our wages? Flawed logic Im just glad some of you copy/pasted so much of your time to support getting Mitt into office, it really paied off for you... I think Mitt wouldve done a fine job as PotUSA, better than Obama? We'll never know. Think about all of the complaining about "wheres our change and hope" crap people talk about Obama. People will always complain about how a president doesnt do everything that he says he will - what makes the other guy different? | ||
| Reepicheep |
Well Jim, I suppose murdering a woman in utero is a better strategy... you alienate them, but they are dead when you are done, so that makes it OK. I agree with you about not alienating groups, but I'm not sure how to do that when you are running against the Democratic party, most of hollywood, ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, and NPR. You are right though, conservatives must find a way. An idiot Democrat held up a store at gunpoint, and told the clerk to vote Obama. The media reported this as an idiot holding up a store at gunpoint. An idiot Republican made a stupid statement about abortion in the case of rape, and the media reported it as him being a spokesman for Republicans everywhere, in spite of all the Republicans saying "we don't agree with him, he is an idiot". The free market is fixing it because biased news also happens to be crappy news. But it's going to take a while. So I guess we sit here eating our own dogfood of "Capitalism is the worst economic system, aside from every other alternative that has been tried". | ||
| Cityxslicker |
Quite fine with letting it spool out exactly as history has before. Want to know where this is headed: read Hegel, Engels, Marx, Lenin, and watch for the Stalin solution. Long live the glorious shining path of the O | ||
| Sifo |
So because Frank, myself, you, or ANYONE doesnt pay as much to the tax system it is ok for us to pay a higher percent of our wages? Flawed logic Of course, this is a very flawed statement. This isn't what Romney was proposing at all. It is the very tax exemptions that Romney was wanting to eliminate that allow this to happen at all. Would you like to discuss how when you raise taxes these exemptions get created? Would you like to discuss how these exemptions wind up creating a wall that prevents you from getting from middle class to wealthy? Would you like to discuss what party has done this? |
