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Sifo
Posted on Friday, March 23, 2012 - 08:49 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

That and the seat collapsing while driving.

You shouldn't be doing that while driving!
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Aesquire
Posted on Saturday, March 24, 2012 - 07:41 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-TV/2012/03/23/B oxer-Has-Tough-Fight-In-Environmental-Hearing
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Aesquire
Posted on Saturday, March 24, 2012 - 07:44 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-TV/2012/03/22/O bama-We-Have-Too-Much-Oil-Not-Enough-Pipeline

How many lies can you find?

http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-TV/2012/03/22/O bama-Defends-Handling-Of-Keystone-Pipeline
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Sifo
Posted on Saturday, March 24, 2012 - 10:11 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

So in that last clip BO claimed the we import less than half of the oil we use. Yet I keep hearing how we produce only 2% of the worlds oil, but use 20%. If we us 20% and we import less than half of that, wouldn't we have to be producing >10% of the worlds oil?

Story problems are hard!

Somewhere, someone isn't telling the truth.
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Blake
Posted on Saturday, March 24, 2012 - 04:16 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

We ought not defend ourselves if we are being assaulted? Huh???

Racists suck. Our president appears to be one.

http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/dpp/news/state/witnes s-martin-attacked-zimmerman-03232012

I have to endure a violent bloody assault and avoid using my gun to defend myself??? Would it be alright with you if I use my knife? What about a stick or a rock? I'm just wondering exactly what level of force is okay with you. Any? Or is the idea that it's an Olympic boxing match what you're after?



That kind of thinking is beyond my ability to process.
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Reindog
Posted on Saturday, March 24, 2012 - 04:58 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Will the upcoming race riots this summer help or hinder Obama's chance for reelection?

We are not in possession of facts at this time. So......

* It appears that George Zimmerman is probably a dirtbag and willfully provoked this incident.

* It appears that Trayvon Martin might not be squeaky clean.

* It is close to certain that Trayvon Martin should not have been killed as this might not be legitimate self defense.

* President Obama should NOT have gotten involved. This is below his station as he is the Executive. Everything is always about HIM including his imagined son. Obama chastises us that we should do "soul searching". Really? About exactly what? This shooting has nothing to do with me. Should we have done "soul searching" about the attempted lynching of the Duke lacrosse players? (the answer is no). Obama literally sickens me.

* The racists Farrakhan and Sharpton are inciting race warfare. Cities are one matchstick away from burning if Zimmerman is found anything but guilty. The Mob is starting to take over.

The Trayvon Martin case should probably be in a thread of its own.
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Blake
Posted on Saturday, March 24, 2012 - 06:41 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Tom,

We are not in possession of facts at this time. So......

* It appears that George Zimmerman is probably a dirtbag and willfully provoked this incident.

* It appears that Trayvon Martin might not be squeaky clean.

* It is close to certain that Trayvon Martin should not have been killed as this might not be legitimate self defense.


You may have been misled. More facts. (Eyewitness corroborates Zimmerman's account.)

http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/dpp/news/state/witnes s-martin-attacked-zimmerman-03232012
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Blake
Posted on Saturday, March 24, 2012 - 06:45 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)


quote:

ORLANDO - A witness we haven't heard from before paints a much different picture than we've seen so far of what happened the night 17-year-old Trayvon Martin was shot and killed.

The night of that shooting, police say there was a witness who saw it all.

Our sister station, FOX 35 in Orlando, has spoken to that witness.

What Sanford Police investigators have in the folder, they put together on the killing of Trayvon Martin few know about.

The file now sits in the hands of the state attorney. Now that file is just weeks away from being opened to a grand jury.

It shows more now about why police believed that night that George Zimmerman shouldn't have gone to jail.

Zimmerman called 911 and told dispatchers he was following a teen. The dispatcher told Zimmerman not to.

And from that moment to the shooting, details are few.

But one man's testimony could be key for the police.

"The guy on the bottom who had a red sweater on was yelling to me: 'help, help…and I told him to stop and I was calling 911," he said.

Trayvon Martin was in a hoodie; Zimmerman was in red.

The witness only wanted to be identified as "John," and didn't not want to be shown on camera.

His statements to police were instrumental, because police backed up Zimmerman's claims, saying those screams on the 911 call are those of Zimmerman.

"When I got upstairs and looked down, the guy who was on top beating up the other guy, was the one laying in the grass, and I believe he was dead at that point," John said.

Zimmerman says the shooting was self defense. According to information released on the Sanford city website, Zimmerman said he was going back to his SUV when he was attacked by the teen.

Sanford police say Zimmerman was bloody in his face and head, and the back of his shirt was wet and had grass stains, indicating a struggle took place before the shooting.


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Aesquire
Posted on Saturday, March 24, 2012 - 07:06 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Since I NOW know more than Barack Obama did when he decided to destroy a human being for political gain, I still stand by my initial, completely clueless stand.

If I was the lawyer for the Hispanic minority fellow who claims he shot in self defense, I would be very confident that I could avoid conviction. Not a trial, that looks inevitable now, with the case tried in the press by fawning worshipers of the Current Prez. Who, almost to a man, would be screaming vile things about the Previous Prez. for such low, dishonest, and unwise comments about a case NOT YET BROUGHT TO TRIAL.

The racist evil of the usual exploiters of such things is expected, and the deaths they may cause will be shrugged off as has happened before.

There is indeed racism. In America today. I can't even say that most of it is from people like Sharpton et al. There are plenty of white supremist cretins out there who believe in their hearts that they are the master race.

It's a tiny percentage of the US population, but one we should challenge, revile, and denounce every time we run into them. Do NOT let those with supreme confidence in their own superiority to others based on no factual evidence, but on ego, upbringing or mis-education stand undisputed.

In that cause let me say that Bill Maher can kiss my shiny metal A$$.
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Reindog
Posted on Saturday, March 24, 2012 - 07:15 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Zimmerman has been painted as a WHITE HISPANIC. What the hell is that? That is a new one of me. How convenient.

Blake: I am keeping an open mind as we are not in possession of facts yet, regardless if the New York Slimes or Faux News would have your believe otherwise.

It is telling (rather loudly) that there is a reason why the police haven't arrested Zimmerman after a month. I am not buying a racist police force unless facts prove otherwise.
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Aesquire
Posted on Saturday, March 24, 2012 - 07:23 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

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Johnnymceldoo
Posted on Saturday, March 24, 2012 - 09:07 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Unless treyvon was killing this stocky grown man with a gun it appears that using deadly force was not called for and has now opened up a can of worms for Zimmerman.

Take this to heart if you are carrying and get into a heated traffic altercation or any other male on male testosterone battle. Deadly force is for life threatening circumstances not winning fist fights.
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Blake
Posted on Saturday, March 24, 2012 - 10:55 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I have to endure a violent bloody assault and avoid using my gun to defend myself??? Would it be alright with you if I use my knife? What about a stick or a rock? I'm just wondering exactly what level of force is okay with you. Any? Or is the idea that it's an Olympic boxing match what you're after?

A "fist fight" implies a mutual desire for combat, which is entirely different than being attacked, pinned to the ground and beaten. No one in America is obliged to submit to violence against their will. In most states lethal force is justified just to defend property.

Your morals may admirably set the bar much higher for the justification of lethal force. Mine do too. But the law is clear. anyone in America is absolutely justified in the use of lethal force to defend themselves against violent attack. A "fistfight is not an attack. A fistfight doesn't entail pinning a man to the ground and beating him.
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Johnnymceldoo
Posted on Saturday, March 24, 2012 - 11:28 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

You do what you feel is right but keep in mind your actions could be scrutinized by a jury in addition to riot starting reverands/political figures.
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Glitch
Posted on Sunday, March 25, 2012 - 06:25 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)


This is getting way out of hand.
BTW what's so "new" about the "New Black Panther Party"?
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Reepicheep
Posted on Sunday, March 25, 2012 - 09:07 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The lesson here (guilty or innocent, unlike Obama I won't start declaring people guilty of murder without any facts) is that if you choose to carry concealed, you need to be the nicest kindest most tolerant and non confrontational person on the face of the earth.

Until you absolutely can't be anymore.

I'd personally decide to either do a neighborhood watch thing, or to carry concealed, one or the other. Not both.

(well, I actually choose to move to a different neighborhood, but thats a different topic)
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Glitch
Posted on Sunday, March 25, 2012 - 09:45 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

All I know for sure is this guy is being tried and convicted by the media and the race mongers.
As having just had to prove my innocence because I was presumed guilty I can feel for the guy, even if he's guilty.
Obama, you'd think would know better after stepping in it. I'll bet if he's found innocent Obama won't be asking him to the White House for a beer.
"If I had a son he'd look like Trayvon"
Give me a break.
This smacks of diversion.
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Reepicheep
Posted on Sunday, March 25, 2012 - 12:06 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Here is the really scary part for the accused...

The "senior guy in charge" is Eric Holder, against whom there are *very* credible charges that he flouted common sense and common practice and knowingly took a VERY high risk of sacrificing human lives in order to create an environment where he could push anti-gun legislation.

So now here is a guy with a legally carried firearm, and Eric Holder's department is going to be running one of the investigations? After the POTUS has already sided with one of the parties based purely on ethnicity?

Racism is alive and well in America, and I find it deeply offensive, regardless if it's a majority or a minority perpetrating it.
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Glitch
Posted on Sunday, March 25, 2012 - 01:10 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Racism is alive and well in America, and I find it deeply offensive, regardless if it's a majority or a minority perpetrating it.
The ones that cry racism at every opportunity, seem to be the ones perpetuating racism IMHO
I was just called a racist on FB, because I called for Zimmerman to be considered innocent until proven guilty!
Now if that person had known two of my sons aren't dating white girls, would they have said that?
They did, and they did.
Racism is alive, I don't thinks it's alive and well.
I remember when I was growing up, my Dad baptized the first black family into St. John's Episcopal Church in Marion NC.
I remember it not for my Dad just doing what he's supposed to, not for him being first, no, I remember because the next day I woke up to see a noose hanging from the oak tree in the front yard.
Now that house (our old rectory) is occupied by that very same black family.
We've come a long way since then, alive, yes, well, I don't think so.
I believe as the race mongers get older and die out, so will a lot of the race baiting.
Will it end?
No, probably not ever, but I do know American is one of the least racist nations, if not then least racist.
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Glitch
Posted on Sunday, March 25, 2012 - 01:11 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Here is the really scary part for the accused...
True that!
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Aesquire
Posted on Sunday, March 25, 2012 - 09:36 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/obamas-disbelief-staring- n-korea-174551638.html

"There are certain things that just don't work and what they are doing doesn't work."

Gee, Mr. President, we were thinking that about you.
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Reducati
Posted on Monday, March 26, 2012 - 07:37 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)



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Blake
Posted on Monday, March 26, 2012 - 07:08 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

>>>  Johnnymceldoo Posted on Saturday, March 24, 2012 - 11:28 pm:       
>>> You do what you feel is right but keep in mind your actions could be scrutinized by a jury in addition to riot starting reverands/political figures.

The issue is not about me. The issue is the law. According to our laws, nobody must submit to being violently attacked. If the man was attacked, he had every right to defend himself as best he could, including the use of lethal force. That's just the law of the land. Don't want to be shot? Then don't attack people or break into their homes or steal their property.

The police probably have it right in this case. The president has it wrong, miserable racist that he is.
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Johnnymceldoo
Posted on Monday, March 26, 2012 - 07:16 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Both the president and Zimmerman are white so I don't think race has anything to do with it.
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Court
Posted on Monday, March 26, 2012 - 08:39 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Good point . . .

CNN and MSNBC are describing Zimmerman as a "white hispanic".

How would they describe him if he won the Nobel Peace Prize?
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Bandm
Posted on Monday, March 26, 2012 - 09:03 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Seems there are several witnesses and they all back Zimmerman's account.


Zimmerman's account emerged for the first time Monday in a report by The Orlando Sentinel. Quoting unidentified "law enforcement authorities," the Sentinel reported that Zimmerman told police that Trayvon Martin knocked him down with a single punch and slammed his head into the sidewalk several times before the shooting — an account that police said witnesses have corroborated.

Zimmerman said he was walking back to his SUV when Martin approached him from behind, according to the Sentinel's report, which Sanford police confirmed Monday afternoon.

The two exchanged words before Martin decked him with a punch to the nose and began beating him, Zimmerman told police. He said he then shot Martin in self-defense.

Witnesses said they heard someone cry out in distress, some of them telling NBC News and other news organizations that it was Martin. But police sources told the Sentinel their evidence indicated it was Zimmerman.

One witness told police he saw Martin pounding Zimmerman on the ground. This witness was certain it was Zimmerman who was crying for help, the Sentinel reported.

When police arrived less than two minutes later, Zimmerman was bleeding from the nose and had a swollen lip and bloody lacerations to the back of his head, the newspaper reported. Police said Zimmerman wasn't badly injured and didn't seek treatment until the next day.

ABC News reported separately that Zimmerman told police that Martin also tried to take his gun.

In a statement, Sanford police said the Sentinel's report was "consistent with the information provided to the State Attorney's office by the police department." It didn't address the ABC report.

Zimmerman's attorney, Craig Sonner, has said he could invoke Florida's "stand-your-ground" law, which provides significant leeway for people to use deadly force if they feel their lives are in danger.

Lots more good stuff here:

http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/03/26/10868 250-thousands-march-in-protest-to-florida-hearing- on-trayvon-martin-slaying
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Aesquire
Posted on Monday, March 26, 2012 - 09:16 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

It does not matter what the race of either person is, until the President decided to use it to gain votes.

Until a trial, we will have little idea of what really happened, and, with the publicity, there will not be a fair trial.

I blame the President, Some of the dumber R candidates, ( which has helped decide for me who I will vote against. ) the New Black Panther Party, and presumably, all commies everywhere, talking about this case on TV BEFORE A GRAND JURY.... which is not even needed, as the police seem satisfied that it's a righteous shooting.

Now I don't know that it is a good shooting, and I don't know that it isn't. That makes ME way smarter and honest than a whole bunch of politicians and exploiters. ( which, come to think of it, is damning faint praise. )

In the final analysis, it gets down to...

If you preach envy and hate to gain power, you are evil. It's in the definition.
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Aesquire
Posted on Monday, March 26, 2012 - 10:07 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/obama-russia-a fter-my-election-i-have-more-flexibility_634473.ht ml

http://freebeacon.com/turner-to-obama-what-flexibi lity/

Flexibility to deny Congress?
Flexibility to ignore the Constitution?
Flexibility to deny the planet any protection against his ideological Brothers?
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Reindog
Posted on Tuesday, March 27, 2012 - 12:34 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

So if Zimmerman is a White Hispanic, is Obama a White Black? Gotta love the Liberal media and the racists buzzing around this case. It is looking more and more like a rehash of the Duke Lacrosse case in that the mob makes a rush to judgement.

All Badwebbers prepared for the upcoming race riots this summer? Sure am glad that Obama has brought us together. What a tool.

Where is the rage when a Black Black kills a Black Black? Where is Sharpton and Jackson and Farrakhan? I guess there is no money in that.
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Sifo
Posted on Tuesday, March 27, 2012 - 08:48 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

It has come out that Zimmerman was having his head beaten against the sidewalk. How many times must you allow you head to be slammed against the concrete before using lethal force to save yourself?


Things like describing Zimmerman as a white hispanic and using a picture of Martin that is years old showing him to be much younger than current pictures shows the bias being pushed by the media. Pretty sickening.

I still think that Zimmerman could have avoided all of this by not following Martin as the police told him. That was a bad decision. That doesn't mean he can't defend himself from being beaten unconscious, or worse however.
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