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Ourdee
Posted on Monday, January 16, 2017 - 01:03 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Roelf, Do we get to call you Ralph? hi.
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Aesquire
Posted on Monday, January 16, 2017 - 04:03 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I don't understand why the democrats counted on her to win instead of someone like Sanders who actually did have charisma and a message that could have appealed to both parties

The Democrat Party had already chosen Hillary. They have for years had internal rules that give the power of selection to the leaders, ( They are a Private Club, so those rules may be evil, but they are legal ) and frankly were not going to let anyone else win. However, Bernie was pretty popular, and not an obviously corrupt liar ( we've had Hillary around for years, she's not a nice person ) so when it looked like he had a chance they cheated on their own rules and gave Hillary the Nomination.

We know this from leaks from Party members who were cheated.

You may be right that Bernie might have won against Donald. Many of us think that only someone as rotten as Hillary could have given Trump the win.

don't go too hard on Obama. I truly believe he meant well, and has done well (considering he was saddled with the biggest recession since f'in forever)

No, I'll go hard on Obama. : )

He voted for the policies and budgets that led to the recession, and then saddled the economy and rode it into office. Then as President he made it worse. More people dependent on government handouts, more people without jobs, more illegal immigration, less pay for the middle class. I could go on, but he has not "Done Well" for the planet.

As to him "meaning well"? I'm an outsider, so what he really believes is a mystery. I can't afford the half million dollar bribe to talk to him. ( yes, there was actually a club you can join by bribing him $500,000 so you can talk to him over lunch with your fellow rich guys to discuss ways he can help you.... after you bribe him some more )

I do know he was indoctrinated early in life with anti-colonial propaganda, and was taught to hate Europe & England, especially.

His actions at war have been to try and depose secular governments and aid the Muslim Brotherhood and other Islamist terrorist groups across Africa & the middle east.

Obama's wars in Libya, Syria, etc. have given us a planetary refugee crisis. Terrorism is up. Genocide is up.

Doesn't look like he's done well to me.

I assure you I will apply the same standards to Trump.

except for that whole mass surveillance thing... which is a rather sizable blemish. Not sure though how much of that you would attribute to him and how much to the legacy of the Bush admin and the patriot act.

This is a GREAT example of abuse of power.

I often warn that you must be careful when you give power to the current people in power, because the next batch of people in power can then abuse it.

That's just what happened to the Patriot Act. Obama took a temporary power to spy on people and made it permanent and more widespread.

In other words, Bush wanted to know who sent you mail. Obama wants to know what's in your mail. And then lied about it. Now they collect all our email, record all our phone calls, and know what websites we go to. All of us in the U.S.

All in all the Obama administration can be summed up very simply. They did X. Then they lied about it.
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Sifo
Posted on Monday, January 16, 2017 - 06:14 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

It's sad that we have come to this. NBC justifying their security guards beating up a guy for wearing a shirt showing Bill Clinton with the caption RAPE. Is this really where we are? Paid thugs provided by a "news" organization beating up someone for wearing a T-shirt they don't approve of. I wish this guy the best of luck in his lawsuit.

NBC Says Trump Supporter Who Wore Clinton ‘Rape’ Shirt Should Have Expected to Get Beaten

Remember, this is the side who claims to celebrate diversity. Right!
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Njloco
Posted on Monday, January 16, 2017 - 06:15 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Perfect example, Fast and Furious! Eric Holder lied and Obama and his crew went right along with it.
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Ducbsa
Posted on Monday, January 16, 2017 - 07:35 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Regarding the Washington Post, these show their level of integrity:

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-12-07/washingto n-post-apends-russian-propaganda-story-admits-it-m ay-be-fake

http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2015/11/wash ington-posts-fact-checker-doesnt-read-the-washingt on-post.php

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2015/10/double _standards_at_wapo.html

Regarding Russian influence:

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/24/us/cash-flowed- to-clinton-foundation-as-russians-pressed-for-cont rol-of-uranium-company.html?_r=1

In the EU, it appears that their MSM has even less interest in publishing any information that goes against their viewpoint. I want to compliment Falloutnl for acting like a gentleman and not sinking to namecalling like others who are Obama fans here. Also Barry Soetero was his name when growing up in Indonesia.
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Xdigitalx
Posted on Monday, January 16, 2017 - 09:28 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Can we start referring to our next POTUS as King Trump? King Donald? King DJT? Will Obama bow to our next leader? Since he has done for other countries leaders....
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Ourdee
Posted on Monday, January 16, 2017 - 09:45 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I'm going to call him Mr. President. He is the Hope that Mr. Obama brought.
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Ratbuell
Posted on Monday, January 16, 2017 - 09:51 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Yep, Mr. President for me too. No need to feed the MSM any more ridiculous fodder...
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Ducbsa
Posted on Monday, January 16, 2017 - 09:57 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2017/01/ob amas_disastrous_legacy.html
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Aesquire
Posted on Monday, January 16, 2017 - 10:05 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I too would like to thank Falloutnl for his polite and rational discussion. Our local leftists have been trained to attack other's personality when disagreed with. Because they lose on facts and logic.

Also I find his "handle", his assumed name darkly humorous.

What he should know about American news is almost all of what he hears about America is from 3 cities. New York, Washington dc, & Los Angeles. This is like if all the news in Europe came from Lisbon and Athens, with no consideration for the Netherlands and Germany, although if you figure distance from Europe's troubles perhaps Dublin & Helsinki are more accurate.

The U.S. electoral college system was designed to prevent the coastal large cities from dominating in elections. They had this problem over 200 years ago & the reasons are the same today.

Xdigitalx, call Donald what you like. I'll use less formal language, either more or less insulting after he takes office and does something. Probably more.

As is I lack the respect for all the politicians to use more formal titles than the full first name. The country has transitioned to first names so that no one would confuse the members of the dynasties. The press did not want people who read "Clinton said" and confuse Hillary with her sex abuser husband.

Fair enough. But now that Barry, Jeb, & Hillary are acceptable formal titles for our celebrities, I'm sticking to that. If for no other reason than to anger the uptight and self righteous. : )
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Xdigitalx
Posted on Monday, January 16, 2017 - 10:09 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Yes, of course I am joking....but.. I think there may be a situation or two where it could be used. There are a few people I would love to see asked to refer to our new leader as king. Just to see their faces.
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Ourdee
Posted on Monday, January 16, 2017 - 10:33 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I had no doubt that it was humor. All the same those few people will still be frothing and spitting at calling him Mr. President.
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Aesquire
Posted on Monday, January 16, 2017 - 10:35 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

You are right that if Donald were King Donald, the head of a brutal islamic dictatorship, then Obama would have bowed to him. Deeply.

And probably offered King D an illegal gun running program, since that's what Obama does.

Come to think of it, he may be doing a new illegal gun running program as we speak.

In fact, I bet he is.

We'll have to wait for the tell all books later this year.
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Hootowl
Posted on Monday, January 16, 2017 - 10:49 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

No, sadly, we'll have to wait for someone to die before we find out about the next Obama administration f&ck up.
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Alfau
Posted on Tuesday, January 17, 2017 - 01:52 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

King Donalds' fickle finger of fate

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aYG6L9jcFOE
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Sifo
Posted on Tuesday, January 17, 2017 - 05:41 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)



days to go!
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Sifo
Posted on Tuesday, January 17, 2017 - 05:50 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)







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Falloutnl
Posted on Tuesday, January 17, 2017 - 05:50 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

"Falloutnl, I think I see what you are saying, and even agree with it to a point. See if this tracks what you are thinking..."

Yeah, that checks out.

"Sure, if you're anti-Capitalist/anti-White/pro-Caliphate, it's a damn shame he can't seek a third term."

Anti-Capitalist, uh yeah, not openly, but yes probably. But that entire system has some major issues. Issues that can no longer be ignored. Think that's a big reason why we haven't seen as big a recovery as you usually would after a recession.

Anti-White/pro-caliphate though? C'mon son : D. That's some tinfoil hat level nonsense. Hasn't he been merrily drone striking the crap out of lots of different targets in the middle east? And anti-white? That can't be so. Each and every time he was up on that stage - you might not like his policies - but it seemed to me he was doing everything he could to bridge the gap(s) between the many different people of your country.

"Anti-constitution"

Ah yes, firearms. Dude, I love me some firearms. I would proudly display an AK-47 on my living room wall if my government would let me. But I can admit that some things are better left to the (responsible) pro's. I know some of you are in remote locations (like far away from police response and all that), but yeah... isn't the fact that everyone (potentially) being armed with lethal weapons - couldn't that cause more problems than it is solving? It's not completely insane to consider that a possibility, right? I think the considering of that possibility is where Obama is coming from. Even then, he doesn't plan to take everyone's weapons away. Just trying to do more to keep them away from criminals, terrorists and the mentally unhinged. Seems like a good idea to me.


"Just to help get Falloutnl up to speed... " (Sifo's Obama video)

Ok yes, that is interesting.

"I truly do not understand those who support the Free Money ethos.

Those systems simply do not work and are not based in reality. Every economy that has turned to large socialistic programs has suffered as a result and some have even failed. Look at Greece. The only countries where it has had any success are countries with large natural resources to support the expense and small, slow growing populations. Many European countries might be in for a rude awakening as the refugees start to tax their social systems.

The problem, as Margarat Thatcher put it, is where does the money come from. Eventually you run out of other peoples money if you continually tax them at high rates and disincent people from working harder and earning more."

I have no idea how you would do it. Though I do know that the massive inequality in the world right now (8 people owning as much as the rest of the world combined for instance) and the slow killing of the middle class, is causing a lot of problems. I think it's that very problem that helped Trump claim the presidency. By guaranteeing everyone at least some basic level of income you would lessen this inequality, even if only slightly, and two, you could prepare for the no more jobs situation that seems nigh unavoidable right now. It's probably not coming in the next 5 years. But as soon as you start automating the transport sector.... that's a lot of jobs you stand to lose (and that's just the beginning). And I really don't see what jobs are suddenly going to appear to make up the gargantuan difference. I mean, me personally I'm in a creative job. I write for a living. But I can already see how it would be much more logical for some of this shit to be written by a machine because I'm already doing everything possible to optimize it for machines (read: Google).

So yeah, I dont know how you would do it. But pretty soon, someone is going to have to think of a solution.

"I've been working all my life for "FREE" money. Except I call it retirement. And is it free if I worked for it. I had a job 10 years ago babysitting robots. My babies replaced 50 hard working men on one shift. They then worked another 14 hours and didn't take any breaks. Now here is the dilemma. If you were to give away the wages saved by the robots, What is in it for the robot's owners? What incentive is there for any new owners to show up and employ some new robots that they have to keep up, with no realized return? And finally, I kept those ........ running. It was a lot of work, concentration, due diligence, always listening for the odd sound, watching banks of monitors, etc. If you told me that the money I was making available by keeping those men out of jobs/professions was going to Joey so he could smoke dope and lay on the couch all day for free, I would have walked off. Free money is a myth."

Except Joey isn't likely to lay on the couch all day. Nearly every test with UBI has shown that people actually get more productive and are much more likely to contribute to society in all sorts of positive ways. Poverty is crippling. Not only in terms of what you can afford, but there are also studies that show that brain activity is different in those who are poor. It literally affects the way they can think.

Also, your reward would be greater I think (in a situation where some form of UBI is used), since you would be entitled to basic income AND your salary.

Plus, you say so yourself: "My babies replaced 50 hard working men on one shift."

Not 50 hippies who wanted to slack off, no: "50 hard working men". Did they all manage to find new jobs? Or were they in some serious shit they did not really deserve thanks to, well, robotization basically?

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Still, I haven't done the math. I lack the mental capacity to do the actual math and I'm not sure whether there is any way to make somethink like UBI viable. BUT, I do think that at some point... yeah. You're going to be losing so many jobs that even Donald Trump isn't going to able to fix the problem.

"Roelf, Do we get to call you Ralph? hi."

For sure, that's close enough : D.

"I too would like to thank Falloutnl for his polite and rational discussion. Our local leftists have been trained to attack other's personality when disagreed with. Because they lose on facts and logic."

Yeah no problem. I know these are complicated matters we come at from vastly different places.

"Also I find his "handle", his assumed name darkly humorous."

It's from my favorite videogame. The post apocalyptic one, appeals to my pessimistic nature, haha.

I got to get to work though now. Sadly lack the time to reply in depth to everyone's arguments, apologies.


Oh yeah:

"Absolutely. Conversations are more fun when people disagree.

Hell, you can stay at my place for a few nights, got plenty of couch space and a great selection of wines and whiskies."

Great!

Same goes for anyone of you who's ever visiting this side of the pond.

(Message edited by falloutnl on January 17, 2017)
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Ducbsa
Posted on Tuesday, January 17, 2017 - 06:52 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

This is what many of us are looking forward to not occurring, at least for the next four years.

http://www.city-journal.org/html/statistical-evide nce-not-required-14968.html
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Ducbsa
Posted on Tuesday, January 17, 2017 - 07:02 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Regarding guns in the US, our Constitution, as amended, says that the right to bear arms shall not be infringed. To change that to what you have in the Netherlands would require another amendment. It may be a good idea to change things, but it has to be more widely accepted than now. Apparently we have as many guns as people and to disarm us would take quite an effort.

From WikiPedia:

Amendment proposals may be adopted and sent to the states for ratification by either:

A two-thirds (supermajority) vote of members present—assuming that a quorum exists—in both the Senate and the House of Representatives of the United States Congress; or
A two-thirds (supermajority) vote of a national convention called by Congress at the request of the legislatures of at least two-thirds (at present 34) of the states. (This method has never been used.) To become an operative part of the Constitution, an amendment, whether proposed by Congress or a national constitutional convention, must be ratified by either:

The legislatures of three-fourths (at present 38) of the states; or
State ratifying conventions in three-fourths (at present 38) of the states.

If we don't take our Constitution seriously, we have a dictatorship.

In closing,

http://www.shotinthedark.info/wp/wp-content/upload s/2013/01/Schindler.jpg
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Pwnzor
Posted on Tuesday, January 17, 2017 - 07:23 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

it seemed to me he was doing everything he could to bridge the gap(s) between the many different people of your country

That is a misconception. Here is just one example. Watch as he candy coats the behavior of a man, while he was breaking into his own house... he was BREAKING INTO A HOUSE IN THE DARK. Then he ran his mouth at the cops. So he got arrested. Yep, exactly what should have happened. Then continue to watch as the pResident injects race into the issue and bloviates about it. Again, this is one example. Eight years have yielded many.




isn't the fact that everyone (potentially) being armed with lethal weapons - couldn't that cause more problems than it is solving?

Chicago, IL. Toughest gun laws in the country. 145 shootings from Jan 1 to Jan 17.

Kennesaw, GA. - In order to buy a house, you must be a registered gun owner. 1 murder in 5 years.

I know "murders" and "shootings" are two different stats, but I think you get the idea.
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Falloutnl
Posted on Tuesday, January 17, 2017 - 07:44 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Yes, but I'm sure you'll also appreciate the difference in size there. Chicago is a 2.8 million inhabitant mega city. Compared to Kennesaw's 30k population.

Interesting law though, having to be a registered gun owner to buy a house. That kind of thing would be unthinkable here.

As for the race issue. Yeah mouthing off to the cops is something I would never do and it's a catastrophically bad idea considering how US police are often confronted with the worst and have to deal accordingly.
People of certain races are however targeted disproportionately. Statistics show this. I'm sure you would start to feel pretty resentful if getting pulled over for no reason starts to be a common occurrence, based on the way you look.

I always try to empathize when I look at stuff like that. You have to hope/assume that most people, save for some real assholes, are born inherently good men or women. So a disproportionate amount of the prisoner population being african american / black for instance, do you then assume these are all bad men - end of story - or do you consider it a possibility that the system putting them at a disadvantage has at least something to do with their lot in life? I mean, if you're constantly getting side-eye from fellow citizens / the police because they think it's more likely you're about to pull some shit... you're going to get frustrated.

How big do you think the chances are that that man would have been hauled off in handcuffs, breaking into in his own house, had he been white? Yeah, mouthing off, still a pretty good chance, I grant you. But slightly less. Maybe the cops wouldn't even have been called on him because people would have been more likely to assume 'oh that's just Bob, probably lost his keys again.'
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Court
Posted on Tuesday, January 17, 2017 - 07:49 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

>I just cringe watching the SOB . . . they can't get his ass our of The White House fast enough for me.

We've suffered 8 years of watching this idiot and being helming in check from expressing legitimate concerns and viewpoints for fears of being labeled racist.

He's a idiot and the great news is . . . it's unrelated to race. He's just learned to play the "race card" to build this little wall around himself to keep others from questioning him.

Good bye.
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Court
Posted on Tuesday, January 17, 2017 - 07:54 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

http://nypost.com/2017/01/17/this-dedicated-trump- supporter-couldnt-wait-for-inauguration-day/
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Pwnzor
Posted on Tuesday, January 17, 2017 - 08:13 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

People of certain races are however targeted disproportionately.

I don't like the word "targeted" in this context, because it leads the audience to believe something that is patently false.

When somebody is committing a crime, and the cops nab them, they are not being "targeted" in the sense that they are out just looking for people of a certain demographic.

If you're in a black neighborhood, chances are it's black people you're looking at.

Fact of the matter is, there are roughly equal populations of black and white people incarcerated in US prisons. The percentage of their own populations might seem disproportionate, but let's also consider the fact that most crimes against black people are committed by other black people.

Having spent a year in prison myself, I have a bit more insight than most into the inner workings of the system. Call me racist if you like, but the people on the prison yard causing most of the internal problems are in fact, black people.

My time spent there gave me some perspective into the system and it's inhabitants. Most importantly, it taught me to appreciate cops. It also taught me that you cannot judge a person by how he looks, more so than any other time in my life. It's a sad but true statement that blacks tend to be their own worst enemies, and this fact is exacerbated by race baiting politicians like John Lewis and Barack Obama.
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Falloutnl
Posted on Tuesday, January 17, 2017 - 08:55 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

"I don't like the word "targeted" in this context, because it leads the audience to believe something that is patently false."

Alright, how about uhm, scrutinized?

"If you're in a black neighborhood, chances are it's black people you're looking at.

Fact of the matter is, there are roughly equal populations of black and white people incarcerated in US prisons. The percentage of their own populations might seem disproportionate, but let's also consider the fact that most crimes against black people are committed by other black people.

Having spent a year in prison myself, I have a bit more insight than most into the inner workings of the system. Call me racist if you like, but the people on the prison yard causing most of the internal problems are in fact, black people.

My time spent there gave me some perspective into the system and it's inhabitants. Most importantly, it taught me to appreciate cops. It also taught me that you cannot judge a person by how he looks, more so than any other time in my life. It's a sad but true statement that blacks tend to be their own worst enemies, and this fact is exacerbated by race baiting politicians like John Lewis and Barack Obama."

Yeah, I won't necessarily fight you on any of these observations. All I'm saying is that some of the things you saw might be exacerbated by external factors. However, that doesn't take away a man's responsibility, black or white, to do the best he can. And I suppose, in light of your hands on experience, there isn't much more I can say really. By comparison I'm just a 32 yr old kid that hasn't seen shit. I live in one of the richest countries in the world, do relatively well for myself, and I probably lack the perspective. Or it's an academic perspective that is out of touch. As these perspectives often are : D
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Pwnzor
Posted on Tuesday, January 17, 2017 - 08:56 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I'm sure you would start to feel pretty resentful if getting pulled over for no reason starts to be a common occurrence, based on the way you look.

I used to drive some real crappy cars and had long hair. Got pulled over all the time for looking suspicious. Or maybe it was all the weed smoke pouring out of my windows... but that looks pretty suspicious in and of itself.
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Pwnzor
Posted on Tuesday, January 17, 2017 - 09:10 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

How big do you think the chances are that that man would have been hauled off in handcuffs, breaking into in his own house, had he been white?

It was his own house. His neighbors didn't call the cops. His alarm system did. I'm sure all his neighbors know a black guy lives there.

He ran his mouth. Simple as that.
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Falloutnl
Posted on Tuesday, January 17, 2017 - 09:24 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Well, in that case, fair enough I suppose.

I do think it's funny how we can both look at the exact same video but get a totally different feeling. I see the most eloquent and funny mf'er ever to be in the White House. You see a race baiting good for nothing jerk off.

I'm reminded of something I once read in The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, this idea that we are all part of an intergalactic tv show that's based on the aliens putting as much different kinds of peoples, viewpoints, races, religions and political ideologies on one planet as they possibly can and watch how long it takes for the whole system to implode, you know, as they point and laugh.


(Message edited by falloutnl on January 17, 2017)
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Njloco
Posted on Tuesday, January 17, 2017 - 10:00 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Falloutnl,

This is why you will never be able to understand !

The direct involvement of the Netherlands in World War II began with its invasion by Nazi Germany on 10 May 1940. The Netherlands had proclaimed neutrality when war broke out in September 1939, just as it had in World War I, but Adolf Hitler ordered it to be invaded anyway.[1] On 15 May 1940, one day after the bombing of Rotterdam, the Dutch forces surrendered. The Dutch government and the royal family escaped and went into exile in London.

Following the defeat, the Netherlands was placed under German occupation, which endured in some areas until the German surrender in May 1945. Active resistance was carried out by a small minority, which grew in the course of the occupation. The occupiers deported the majority of the country's Jews to Nazi concentration camps, with the cooperation of much of the Dutch police and civil service.[2]

In fact, the Netherlands saw one of the highest levels of collaboration during the Holocaust of any occupied country. The city of Amsterdam organized the only industrial action in protest to the persecution of their Jewish fellow citizens ever in all of the Nazi occupied areas. Nonetheless, and also due to the well organized population registers comparing to other countries, about 75% of the country's Jewish population were killed during the conflict; a much higher percentage than comparable countries, like Belgium and France.[3]

Most of the south of the country was liberated in the second half of 1944. The rest, especially the west and north of the country still under occupation, suffered from a famine at the end of 1944, known as the "Hunger Winter". On 5 May 1945, the whole country was finally liberated by the total surrender of all German forces.
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