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Hootowl
Posted on Tuesday, September 24, 2013 - 11:34 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

"I watched a lot of C-span to reach this point"

Me too. I was not interested in politics until I got really sick, and spent three days in bed watching the debates for the Clinton era "Assault Weapon" ban. I came away with the realization that we have utter morons running the government, and that the "liberal" (read Progressive) mind is awash with fanciful notions about the benign nature of government, and the perception that the people can not be trusted with their own destinies.

I became a conservative that week. If you've not watched, and have been hearing the opinions of our elected officials only through the filter of the media, you have no idea what is really going on.
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Sifo
Posted on Tuesday, September 24, 2013 - 12:08 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

When George W Bush became President, Our Government's Budget was balanced to the +PLUS+ side.

"W" Destroyed The American Dream for Hundreds of Millions of Citizens of
The Constitution of the United States of America.
I would like to exercise my Constitutional Right not to
Post any comments that might Incriminate Myself.
But then again The Constitution of The United States of America no longer exist.
Thanks to Homeland Security and the Bush Regime!

If I had to Explain it to you, You Would Not Understand ANYWAY!


Well, the question was how is BO better. All you did was bash Bush. (and me with your last remark)

As for Bush being left a balanced budget, not so much...



Realize that his first year in office was under Clinton's final budget (something that BO still hasn't signed in any year). Clinton left office with a recession that Bush had to deal with, but you probably didn't realize that because he didn't whine about it on a daily basis before hitting the links for the afternoon.

Posting without the government reading your stuff. I'm afraid that's 100% BO. Bush did have the government listening in on international phone calls, but that's been legal since international phone calls. BO is now collection data on all phone calls. He also took temporary legislation that infringed on the people, beefed it up in a huge way, and made it permanent. Ain't that just great!

As for destroying the American dream for citizens, I'm not sure what you are talking about there. Perhaps the collapse of the housing market that came from insane loan practices that were started by Carter, and made worse by Clinton.

There's plenty to criticize about GWB, but if you expect to be taken seriously at all, accept that BO is all of that on steroids. I haven't even touched on BO's foreign policies that have made us a laughing stock of the world.
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Macbuell
Posted on Tuesday, September 24, 2013 - 01:23 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

There is really no point in discussing any of this with someone as intellectually dishonest as Patches seems to be. He is either incredibly misinformed or will twist any fact to support his pro-Obama agenda ... kind of like our Left Wing media.
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Chauly
Posted on Tuesday, September 24, 2013 - 01:45 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

"Patches? We don't need mo steeekin' patches..."
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Reindog
Posted on Tuesday, September 24, 2013 - 01:51 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Hey macbuell,

Patches is a Badwebber and by definition, has the ability to learn. He needs to learn how to cogently explain his arguments to persuade others or to modify his world view when faced with facts. Unfortunately for the American People, most Liberals are incapable of this and resort to emotional rhetoric.

It is a process.
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Patches
Posted on Tuesday, September 24, 2013 - 02:51 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The idea of the American Dream is rooted in the United States Declaration of Independence which proclaims that "all men are created equal" and that they are "endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable Rights" including "Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."

Most Americans perceive a college education as the ticket to the American Dream. Some recent observers warn that soaring student loan debt crisis and shortages of good jobs may undermine this ticket.

In the United States, home ownership is sometimes used as a proxy for achieving the promised prosperity; ownership has been a status symbol separating the middle classes from the poor.

If I had to Explain it to you, You Would Not Understand ANYWAY!
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Macbuell
Posted on Tuesday, September 24, 2013 - 03:15 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

1. Is there a point there?

2. Look no further than Obama who has created the jobless recovery. More people have left the work force than have found a job under this President and most of those that are finding jobs recently are getting part time jobs thanks to Obamacare. By including this statement you just undermined any argument you have supporting Obama.

3. Again, whats your point? Certain things, such as affordable home ownership, sound great in talking points but are very dangerous in reality. We learned that the hard way in 2008. Are you saying we should just ignore those hard earned lessons so we can falsely prop up the poor? Again?

And you didn't explain anything. You just recited some talking points that don't add up to anything.
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Reindog
Posted on Tuesday, September 24, 2013 - 04:27 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Patches,

You have the foundation, albeit shaky, of eventually embracing Conservatism. Good for you even if you don't realize it yet.

College is good for some, not all, people.
Likewise, home ownership is good for some, not all, people.

As Mac pointed out, the policies of the current administration are annihilating the possibility of good, high paying jobs, except for the connected elite.

Conservatism treats people fairly and believes in a growing pie which all hard working people can share in. Conservatism leads to freedom and independence. Progressivism lays the same claim but tends to view the pie as constant or shrinking. Progressivism or Liberalism leads to dependency as it steals from some to give to the undeserving.
Disclaimer1: Yes, I believe in safety nets;
Disclaimer2: yes, I believe there are Fat Cats as that is the way of the world. The FCs exist on both sides of the spectrum.

I am Explaining it to you, You are capable of Understanding ALWAYS. It is entirely up to you, Buell Bro.

I hope you find your way to Conservatism because it is the only way to prosperity for all.
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Patches
Posted on Tuesday, September 24, 2013 - 04:29 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Opinions are like Arseholes, Most do have One.
Arguing with a Door-Knob is Pointless.

You do not Believe in the Constitution of the United States of America.
You do not Believe in the Bill of Rights as it was Intended.
You do not Believe in the United States of America What are YOU Doing Hear?

As for "falsely prop up the poor? Again?"
If you are not part of the Elite One Percent, Your Next!
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Chauly
Posted on Tuesday, September 24, 2013 - 04:43 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Uh, what?

That didn't even make sense...
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Macbuell
Posted on Tuesday, September 24, 2013 - 04:59 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

As for "falsely prop up the poor? Again?" If you are not part of the Elite One Percent, Your Next!

I think you mean ... You're Next.

And what does that mean? Are you saying you need the government to protect and provide for you because the Elite One Percent will come and get you?

Well .. the Elite One percent are running things in Washington ... on both sides of the isle. The top 4 Richest counties in the country are suburbs of Washington DC. Do you think that is a coincidence? Government is big business at its biggest and all touched by it are corrupted in short order.

http://www.bizjournals.com/washington/news/2013/09 /24/arlington-loudoun-highest-incomes-in.html

Once you recognize that you will understand that a limited government is in the best interests of all citizens. Anything that limits the Governments intrusion and control over our lives is a good thing. By supporting Obama you support the exact opposite. You support the idea that the Government knows better than you and should have some say in everything you do every day. THAT goes against the ideals this country was founded on. That is what you should be standing up against.
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Reindog
Posted on Tuesday, September 24, 2013 - 06:12 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Patch:

Who is your audience? Who is the "You" in your response? Are you referring to me, Sifo, or the editorial "you" or someone else? This reader can not tell. What point are you trying to make? You are simply not making logical sense. Sorry to say but you are sounding like a troll. You need to elucidate as you are simply not reaching ANY audience.
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Aesquire
Posted on Tuesday, September 24, 2013 - 08:43 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Arguing with a Door-Knob is Pointless.

True, as is the previous sentence. Don't see how it applies, since unless someone slipped in a AI, we're humans.

Not sure "Who" your "you" is.

But I assure you I'm a big fan of limited government, realize the Constitution is imperfect, but still the best attempt in history to deal with the nature of evil men who want power through government. I'm also pretty sure I respect the Bill Of Rights as intended, since I read what the guys who wrote it, and argued about it said it means.

"falsely prop up the poor". Hmm. Not so much. I think Macbuell has it slightly off here. The push to "lower the barriers" for home ownership was a push for 2 things.

1. Power. Obama was one of many that worked the blackmail scam on banks to gain political power. Promising to "give you" something and making a big public appearance show out of it, for power.

2. Campaign money. ( duh, power ) the big scam companies that were cheerfully selling super high profit mortgages to people who had no chance of paying them off, unless the BS they saw on "flip this house" worked, ( and it stopped working ) were the same people that bribed the politicians to socialize their inevitable losses. They got to keep the big profits, and pass on the loser part, to you. Sucker. ( and by "you" I mean the American Taxpayer )

Remember, this whole thing ( the must sell mortgages to unqualified people ) was sold on the grounds of racism, and "fairness". To get the banks to make "iffy" loans with a low probability of payoff, Congress promised them that You ( the taxpayer ) would take the hit if the loan was defaulted.

The idea, as Sold to us all was pretty attractive. Rental 'hoods suck. Owned 'hoods were cleaner, more respectable, less crime. So..... obviously...... more home owners is good. Right?

Problem is, the REASON that home ownership is good, is that disciplined, hard working people bought homes. and it was the people that bought homes that made the difference in the 'hood, not IF the homes were owned or rented.

Still, it partly worked, and there was an improvement in some neighborhoods because those willing to try were "better" folk than those who wouldn't bother.

Then the "flip this house" business got rolling. Yuppie scum bought 1/4 million$$ homes for mafia rates with every intention of throwing a coat of paint on the kitchen ceiling and selling for 1/2 million$$ is a few weeks. They'd never get past that first year of cheap rates and into the high priced stuff. When the market slowed down a tiny bit, those idiots all crashed and burned, and dragged the rest of the economy with them.

Yes, they were egged on by tv shows and greedy mortgage companies. If some idiot want to make you rich, who are you to say no? After all, it's the law that you HAVE TO sell money to these bozos, and the same law promises you won't get burned.

So a law intended to help the poor, but was seriously flawed in concept, and pushed with blackmail and lies, basically made a bunch of rich people richer, and screwed everyone else.

Who got rich? People who bribed Congress, mostly.

So Macbuell is partly/largely incorrect that it "falsely propped up the poor". It was SOLD that way, but that wasn't it's real intent or the real result.

If it hadn't gone yuppie scum greedball, but stayed a badly conceived vote buying scam, it still would have been a failure, overall, but it wouldn't have been a market busting one.

btw, that "elite one percent"? You mean Obama? Or the spoiled brats of the "occupy" crowd who live off their parents and live in $300,000 homes?

I await your reasoned comments with interest.
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Aesquire
Posted on Tuesday, September 24, 2013 - 08:54 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Also....

Perfectly happy to bitch about GWB.

No Child Gets Ahead.

He never vetoed a budget.

He started the second most expensive Health care bureaucratic nightmare in history.

He let pu44y idiots screw up the aftermath of the extremely successful war on Jihad, after freeing 50 million people from tyranny. "Nation building" is what people do to their own lands, not something you can give away.

He never followed up with Iran & Syria, who were at war with us.

The Patriot act went too far.

The Dept. Of Homeland Security was a terrible idea, and I opposed it. I still do.

The TSA and the excesses of police state over rights went too far and needed to be stopped.

The right wing idiots who used the excuse for the excesses "if you're not guilty you have nothing to worry about" deserve a kick in the groin. Hard. As do the left wing idiots when they use that line.



There's more, but that will do for now.
Every one of these above Barack does/did/is doing worse than George did.
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Aesquire
Posted on Tuesday, September 24, 2013 - 09:01 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Common Core.

Never signed a budget.

The most expensive Health care bureaucratic nightmare in history.

Abandoning the Iraqi & Afghans without logical follow up. ( Yes he inherited those occupations that should never have been occupations. George inherited Bin Laden from Bill )

He's been an absolute moron about Iran & Syria.

He "strengthened" the patriot act, made it Permanent. Plus gave himself the power to arrest and detain Citizens without trial, lawyers or even admitting they exist.

Proved that the DHS is a terrible idea.

Also the TSA and the excesses.

plus. The IRS as political tool, completely illegally.
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Aesquire
Posted on Tuesday, September 24, 2013 - 09:38 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB100014241278873246 65604579080921594857770.html

As close observers of history and human nature, James Madison and the other Founders of the U.S. Constitution knew that the equal and unbiased application of the law to all people, especially elected officials, is essential to freedom and justice and one of the primary safeguards from authoritarianism and oppression by a ruling class.

And so, referring to the members of Congress, James Madison wrote in Federalist No. 57: "(T)hey can make no law which will not have its full operation on themselves and their friends, as well as on the great mass of the society."

Today, elected officials need to be reminded of these truths.


Justice Department vs. Louisiana Voucher Kids

Eric Holder hauls out a 40-year-old civil rights case to attack minority school choice.

By
•CLINT BOLICK

School-choice programs have faced no shortage of legal challenges en route to their adoption in 18 states and the District of Columbia. But none of the challenges is so perverse or perplexing as the Justice Department’s motion last month to wield desegregation decrees to halt Louisiana’s voucher program.

As part of its efforts to boost educational opportunities for disadvantaged children, last year Louisiana enacted the Student Scholarships for Educational Excellence Program. The statewide program provides tuition vouchers to children from families with incomes below 250% of the poverty line whose children otherwise would attend public schools that the state has graded C, D or F. This year, roughly 8,000 children are using vouchers to attend private schools. Among those, 91% are minority and 86% would have attended public schools with D or F grades.

Attorney General Eric Holder argues the program runs afoul of desegregation orders, which operate in 34 Louisiana school districts. By potentially altering the racial composition of those schools by taking minority children out of failing public schools, the Justice Department asserts the program "frustrates and impedes the desegregation process." It has asked a federal court to forbid future scholarships in those districts until the state requests and receives approval in each of the 22 or more cases that might be affected.

If successful, the Justice Department’s motion could thwart school choice—not just vouchers, but charter schools—in hundreds of districts across the country that are still subject to desegregation decrees. And it would deprive thousands of Louisiana schoolchildren, nearly all of them black, of the only high-quality educational opportunities they have ever had.


http://online.wsj.com/article/SB100014241278873238 08204579089093469535268.html
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Patches
Posted on Tuesday, September 24, 2013 - 11:04 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

If I Offend anybody I do Apologize. But I do not take it back.

Barack Hussein Obama was elected President of The United States of America Two Times.
Each time he(Barack Hussein Obama) won, within minutes of winning the opposing Team(Republicans) were announcing his Replacement. Was this based upon poor sportsmanship or his skin color? I am NO Fan of Barack Hussein Obama or his Presidency.

What have the Republican or Democrats done for the Citizens of the United States of America in the past Ten Years? Give Money to Big Banks, Corporations, Wallstreet, To Themselves.

All I hear from the Republican, They want to take more from the Poor and Working class. this is where the "If you are not part of the Elite One Percent, Your Next!" comment came from. There Greed has no end.
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Darth_villar
Posted on Tuesday, September 24, 2013 - 11:09 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I'm afraid I have no idea how "The Republicans" plan to take more from a class of people that pay zero income tax.

Logical, reasoned responses require no apology.

I can't speak for others, but I certainly agree that there is far too much corruption in politics, regardless of the party. I believe that truth seeking honest individuals that educate themselves and try to educate others are our best chance of improving the government.

Phil
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Kenm123t
Posted on Tuesday, September 24, 2013 - 11:54 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Take more from the poor GEE they are poor what do they have to take? What you really mean is stopping the entitled class from using the Gov guns to steal from those of us that work.
The Poor will always be with us, there isn't a shortage of stupid lazy thieves! Aided by the poverty pimps on the left.
No one has any right to the fruits of my labor. We consent to be taxed in a limited by Amendments in the Constitution. NEWS FLASH THIS DOES NOT INCLUDE PAYING ANY ONE ELSE'S BILLS So the poor can get their butts to work and or butts to School and learn some skills.
Oh and the idiots with College degrees in Medieval feminist studies with a undergrad in performance baking YOU CHOSE POORLY deal with it and fetch me another drink while I'm waiting on my Broiled Salmon
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Aesquire
Posted on Tuesday, September 24, 2013 - 11:58 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

That's funny, all I hear from the R's is they want to hang on to the power they have, and try and keep the D's from abusing the power they have so much.

You know, like exempting themselves from the law they passed without reading.

All I hear from the D's is they want to convince you that the R's are evil. They also want to screw you, "for the children". ( oversimplification )

Of course a lot of the R's want to be exempt too.

Oh, and the R's are into a bunch of stupid crap like "you shouldn't buy junk food with food stamps" with the dual excuse that it's good for you ( WHY are you &*^(*&^( channeling Michelle Obama? ) and, uh, a way for us to look good? ( In WHOSE EYES? morons. )

There's probably only a handful of people in elected & appointed positions in D.C. ( or the State Capitol ) I'd consider honest & trustworthy servants of the people. They are more pissed than you are. And they have a far more accurate vision of who's fault it is.

I agree with that Madison guy. If the law does not apply to the politicians, it don't apply to me or you.

More vindictive minded folk would insist that the law must apply to Congress, if WE have to obey it. I find that stupid think. If a law is so bad that honest men don't want it to apply to them, it's simply too bad for anyone. ( I EXPECT dishonest men to want to be exempt from the law. Duh. See "Criminal" )

I understand your anger.

I think you've aimed it slightly wrong, and your use of the glib cliche's that the Communist Party uses makes me think you watch too much tv. Those guys are tools. ( I mean that in the sense that they are being used by evil men. They're also stoner cretins. Seriously? Have you MET a Journalism Student? I can chat all day with the Engineering students, even the CS nerds ( hundreds of my customers are students, mostly foreign. ) but Journalism Major? All you have to do is parrot the professors political kink. ( 87% lefty trending Communist if it gets me laid ) Be able to cut and paste handouts, and read a teleprompter without looking like you're watching tennis. ( btw the Journalism Students agree with this assessment )

I am NO Fan of Barack Hussein Obama or his Presidency.

Me neither. Not a major Bush fan. I am NO fan of the R's, as a rule.

First, lets make clear. Most political argument is "your lying sack of cat crap is worse than mine!".

You state that "you" don't believe in the Bill of Rights. WTF? You got that one pointed the wrong way!

I don't think Barry gives a FFFF about your rights. I think George the Younger gave it a thought from time to time. Maybe.

I'm darn certain that McCain, Pelosi, Reid, etc. etc. don't give a darn about you either.

I don't know what to do about that. ( except vote for the least crappy candidate. I don't want their jobs. ) What do you propose?

Me, I stand by your rights as I must to keep my own.

I think that's true for the majority here.

have you seen the "political compass"? It's the idea that left/right is far too simplistic and you need at least 2 axis to make it useful.

http://www.politicalcompass.org/

Take the test, get back to me. I keep coming out left/libertarian. Which annoys me. I'm way too angry to be near Gandhi.
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Kenm123t
Posted on Wednesday, September 25, 2013 - 12:30 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

AES Rule 1 never ever talk to the media

Rule 2 In doubt see rule one!

Journalism students send them for Coffee and or slap the _________ out of them! Journalism profs use them like a slinky
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Sifo
Posted on Wednesday, September 25, 2013 - 12:35 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I was hoping that Patches could string some words together to answer some simple questions. Seems that's a bit complicated. I gather that he seems to think that the American dream has to do with obtaining an education and GWB somehow has destroyed that possibility. Perhaps he can explain all of that, but I doubt I will understand it ANYWAY. Not sure why anyway is all caps.

Education can be key to the American dream. I agree with that much. To a point. You can get some great education at some affordable institutions, including many local community colleges. I've never understood spending big bucks at an expensive university for some sort of liberal arts degree. That's the sort of thing that happens when you are spending someone else's money.

The very best education you will ever get is one that you give yourself. Learn to read and understand on your own. It's also one of the most economical educations you will ever find. Few people seem to have what it takes to do this for themselves though. It's a shame. It's largely what the founders had in mind for education back in the day.

I would be happy if Patches could simply answer who the "you" is that doesn't believe in the Constitution, and the rest. I think he's happier with very vague language though. Direct answers to direct questions doesn't seem to be his style. Funny thing, but that's exactly the same as most politicians. GWB was a bit of an exception to this, and many people found it a bit too direct. It's why they called him a cowboy. When he was done speaking though, you pretty much knew where he stood. We need more of that in the world.
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Sifo
Posted on Wednesday, September 25, 2013 - 12:41 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

BTW, I wonder who Patches thinks is supposed to pay for BO's spending spree during his 8 years in office. The top 1% just don't have enough to pay for it, even if you stripped them of all they have. It's ironic to then blame the R's for wanting to tax the working class.
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Sifo
Posted on Wednesday, September 25, 2013 - 01:14 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)



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Sifo
Posted on Wednesday, September 25, 2013 - 01:17 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

It's hard to reconcile this political cartoon with what is promoted as the Democrat's history on civil rights. One is history, one is and Orwellian rewrite of history.



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Hootowl
Posted on Wednesday, September 25, 2013 - 10:31 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/09/25/fda-spe nding-182814-to-better-understand-social-media/?in tcmp=latestnews

This is how the reward money gets doled out.

Remember, "we're going to reward our friends, and punish our enemies.".

You and I are the enemies in this scenario.
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Reindog
Posted on Wednesday, September 25, 2013 - 10:38 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The Resident is unhinged with his narcissism.

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Reindog
Posted on Wednesday, September 25, 2013 - 10:41 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

How can it be 1914 and 1938 simultaneously? WW1+WW2=WW3.

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Sifo
Posted on Wednesday, September 25, 2013 - 10:47 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)



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Sifo
Posted on Wednesday, September 25, 2013 - 10:49 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

This is the truth about BO's "affordable" health care.



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