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Fb1
Posted on Monday, October 14, 2013 - 08:55 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Thanks for that FB

You're welcome.



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Lower Forms of Animal Life
Burt Prelutsky · Oct. 14, 2013

[I]t was during the First Battle of Bull Run, also known as the First Manassas, that Thomas Jackson received his nickname when Brig. General Barnard Bee extorted his troops by shouting, “There is Jackson, standing like a stone wall.”

Although he's faced no bullets or cavalry charge, Barack Obama, in his own way, has earned the same nickname. Unfortunately, in his case, he has done so by stonewalling on one scandal after another. In each case, starting with Operation Fast and Furious and proceeding through the IRS targeting of conservatives, the feds snooping on the AP and, worst of all, the Benghazi massacre and subsequent cover-up, he staved off criticism by insisting he couldn't interfere in an ongoing investigation. Ultimately, he dismissed all of them as “phony scandals.”

I have come to realize that the major difference between “Stonewall” Obama and our dog Angel is that she does her business on the grass, while he does his on the Constitution.



Source, more: http://patriotpost.us/opinion/20837
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Reindog
Posted on Monday, October 14, 2013 - 10:52 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Yet all the MSM brays out is that "Republicans are BAAD". This minor president is already a lame duck and he isn't through the first year of his last term. His megalomania must be seething as he realizes that history is going to throw him into the sewer where he belongs. No one is going to remember Baehner but they will remember the name of Barack Milhouse Obama.
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Aesquire
Posted on Monday, October 14, 2013 - 11:06 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/361057/park- service-paramilitaries-mark-steyn

Since I've been working for a living, unlike Congress, I haven't had a go at annoying our keepers by actually looking at a memorial that I paid for.

There is a fundamental issue at stake here.

The "shutdown" is marked by 2 things.

1. Harry has decided for whatever reason that the R's in the House are not allowed to do Budgets. The law does not matter, he has the power to not allow a R budget to be voted on, and that's that. I speculate that his reasons include being able to illegally spend far more money that any legal budget would allow, and the joy of wielding massive power beyond any rational limits. Barry might have "coordinated" or ordered these actions over his entire regime, but Harry is the ugly face of corruption and naked power.

2. The Executive, Barack Hussein Obama, and his minions, decide what to shutdown, and how. He has decided to hurt the people he supposedly works for, and has threatened to destroy the economy of the Planet to get his way. His policy has been ... he refuses to spend one single dime less than he wants to, and will spend as much as he wants, on whatever he wants.

3. The assumptions of the above people are that They Own It All. All your work, all your pay, all your property is really theirs to do with as they will.

Expect assurances that They will not be stealing your 401k to ease the deficit, pay off their campaign donors, whatever.

Expect that assurance to be as real as the promise that your Health Insurance will drop by $2500 a year. ( instead of doubling, or more )
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Reindog
Posted on Monday, October 14, 2013 - 11:11 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

What is not being reported, is that the NBC/Wall Street Journal poll last week was unfairly skewed with over representation of Democrats and government workers. Take a look at QF3 and QF5 at the END of the poll.

http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/MSNBC/Sections/A_Polit ics/_Today_Stories_Teases/Oct_poll.pdf
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Sifo
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Reindog
Posted on Monday, October 14, 2013 - 06:30 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

THIS IS A MUST READ. Thank you to an anonymous Badwebber for showing this to me. Ms Scott's words ring true if one is willing to admit the dark truth of our pResident. To paraphrase the wife of Obama, "This is the first time I have really been ashamed of my country for the people who twice elected an obvious demagogue who threw candy to Balkanized groups in order to cling to power. May Obama be soon forgotten and thrown into the sewer where he rightly belongs." Enough of my yacking, YOU need to read this.

The Architect of Destruction
By Maureen Scott

Barack Obama appears to be a tormented man filled with resentment, anger, and disdain for anyone of an opinion or view other than his. He acts in the most hateful, spiteful, malevolent, vindictive ways in order to manipulate and maintain power and control over others. Perhaps, because, as a child, he grew up harboring an abiding bitterness toward the U.S. that was instilled in him by his family and mentors …it seems to have never left him.

It is not the color of his skin that is a problem in America. Rather, it is the blackness that fills his soul and the hollowness in his heart where there should be abiding pride and love for this country.

Think: Have we ever heard Obama speak lovingly of the U.S. or its people, with deep appreciation and genuine respect for our history, our customs, our sufferings and our blessings? Has he ever revealed that, like most patriotic Americans, he gets "goose bumps" when a band plays "The Star Spangled Banner," or sheds a tear when he hears a beautiful rendition of "America the Beautiful?" Does his heart burst with pride when millions of American flags wave on a National holiday or someone plays "taps" on a trumpet?

Has he ever shared the admiration of the military, as we as lovers of those who keep us free, feel when soldiers march by? It is doubtful because Obama did not grow up sharing our experiences or our values. He did not sit at the knee of a Grandfather or Uncle who showed us
his medals and told us about the bravery of his fellow troops as they tramped through foreign lands to keep us free.

He didn't have grandparents who told stories of suffering and then coming to America, penniless, and the opportunities they had for building a business and life for their children.

Away from this country as a young child, Obama didn't delight in being part of America and its greatness. He wasn't singing our patriotic songs in kindergarten, or standing on the roadside for a holiday parade and eating a hot dog, or lighting sparklers around a campfire on July 4th as fireworks exploded over head, or placing flags on the grave sites of fallen and beloved American heroes.

Rather, he was separated from all of these experiences and doesn't really understand us and what it means to be an American. He is void of the basic emotions that most feel regarding this country and insensitive to the instinctive pride we have in our national heritage. His opinions were formed by those who either envied us or wanted him to devalue the United States and the traditions and patriotism that unites us.

He has never given a speech that is filled with calm, reassuring, complimentary, heartfelt statements about all the people in the U.S. Or one that inspires us to be better and grateful and proud that in a short time our country became a leader, and a protector of many.
Quite the contrary, his speeches always degenerate into mocking, ridiculing tirades as he faults our achievements as well as any critics or opposition for the sake of a laugh, or to bolster his ego.

He uses his Office to threaten and create fear while demeaning and degrading any American who opposes his policies and actions. A secure leader, who hasnoble self-esteem and not false confidence, refrains from showing such dread of critics and displaying a cocky, haughty attitude.

Mostly, his time seems to be spent causing dissension, unrest, and anxiety among the people of America, rather than uniting us (even though he was presented to us as the "Great Uniter").

He creates chaos for the sake of keeping people separated, envious, aggrieved and ready to argue. Under his leadership Americans have been kept on edge, rather than in a state of comfort and security. He incites people to be aggressive toward, and disrespectful of, those of differing opinions. And through such behavior, Obama has lowered the standards for self-control and mature restraint to the level of street-fighting gangs, when he should be raising the bar for people to strive toward becoming more considerate, tolerant, self-disciplined, self-sustaining, and self-assured.

Not a day goes by that he is not attempting to defy our laws, remove our rights, over-ride established procedures, install controversial appointees, enact divisive mandates, and assert a dictatorial form of power.

Never has there been a leader of this great land who used such tactics to harm and hurt the people and this country.

· Never have we had a President who spoke with a caustic, evil tongue against the citizenry rather than present himself as a soothing, calming and trustworthy force.

· Never, in this country, have we experienced how much stress one man can cause a nation of people - on a daily basis!

Obama has promoted the degeneration of peace, civility, and quality of cooperation between us. He thrives on tearing us down, rather than building us up. He is the Architect of the decline of America , and the epitome of a Demagogue.
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About Ms. Scott
There are some gifted people who have the ability to put into words that which most of us are thinking. Maureen Scott is an ardent American patriot who was born in Pittsburgh, PA, and retired to Richmond, VA, in 2000. Free from the nine-to-five grind of writing for employers and clients, she began writing political commentary to please herself and express her convictions.
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Cityxslicker
Posted on Tuesday, October 15, 2013 - 12:35 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The Brief and Frightening Reign of Phil [George Saunders]

It's a quick read. Read it and you are well on your way to understanding this menace.



Due to the government close down -
The Marine Corps Ball has been cancelled
And as of now 10/14 the entire efforts of US Marine Corps Reserve Corps - Toys for Tots campaign is in doubt.
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Torquehd
Posted on Tuesday, October 15, 2013 - 05:26 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

If you haven't seen the "2016" by Dinesh D'souza, you owe it to yourself and your country. It is eye opening and explains exactly why he is making the decisions he is making.
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Wolfridgerider
Posted on Tuesday, October 15, 2013 - 08:35 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The Marine Corps Ball has been cancelled

my ass... Don't think for a minute we wont get together and have cold one... Get the oldest and the youngest and have them cut a cake... read the Commandant's letter.

Trust me.... it'll happen all across the land on Nov.10Th. Government shut down or not
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Fb1
Posted on Tuesday, October 15, 2013 - 10:05 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

THIS IS A MUST READ.

Reindog, thanks for posting, but all of that is old news for anyone who's been paying attention.

What I want to know is: What do we DO about it??
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Reepicheep
Posted on Tuesday, October 15, 2013 - 10:47 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Interesting piece. I wonder if the referenced author really was an ardent Obama supporter? Or if they are just a general pundit.

On one hand a bit shallow and biased right, but on the other hand it hits the nail on the head.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/oct/14/pr uden-frying-eggheads-on-a-hot-stove/
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Reindog
Posted on Tuesday, October 15, 2013 - 10:50 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)


quote:

What I want to know is: What do we DO about it??



Contrary to the blaring of the MSM, the Senate, pResident Wisp, and the RINOS, the House is doing its job under its Constitutional mandate. Since Obama insists on playing one way, Unconditional Surrender, epithet hurling, no negotiation politics, then the dialectic approach would be to mirror his position. The House should use its limited power to grind this government to a halt and run the clock to make Obama a true Lame Duck. The sooner Obama is thrown into the dustbin of history, the better America will be.

Think for a minute. The EBT glitch that caused the "poor" to rob Walmart blind, is a foreshadowing incident of the upcoming collapse of health care. A sizable portion of the American citizenry has already been turned into, excuse the vernacular, "House Negroes". These people are already enslaved by the Massa of the Federal Bureaucracy. When Massa shuts it down, the slaves be it white, black, red, or brown, will riot. Insurrection will occur and the pendulum will swing wildly. Only by the removal of Progressives and Statists from power, will America have a chance of recovery.

Heck, I haven't had my coffee yet.
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Reindog
Posted on Tuesday, October 15, 2013 - 11:03 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

OK...I just had some coffee. Time for some "light hearted fun".




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Sifo
Posted on Tuesday, October 15, 2013 - 11:25 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Does any one else recognize the parallels of what pResident POS is doing vs. what happens when we try to impose sanctions on other countries that are being run by despots. Just look at what happened in Iraq when it was under sanctions, N. Korea, Iran. Pick a country, it's all the same. The leaders don't suffer. They push the pain off on their people. It's the way of a despot. When pResident POS doesn't get his blank check, who is targeted with the suffering? Well, he kept is golf course open. He spent money to close open areas that have never been close in a government shut down in the past, that cost virtually nothing to leave open. He spent money to shut down businesses that normally have zero dollars spent on keeping them open. He kicked people out of their homes for crying out loud. Call him what he is. He is a despot. To make matters worse, on the international scene, he is a very powerful despot. He picks and chooses what countries he will drop bombs on and send special forces in to run raids, as he sees fit. The rest of the world isn't looking at us as a force for good at this point. They are becoming very uneasy with us. How can you blame them. Who can say for certain that at the end of his term he will quietly walk off into history. Despots aren't know for that.
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Sifo
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Fb1
Posted on Tuesday, October 15, 2013 - 11:46 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Contrary to the blaring of the MSM, the Senate, pResident Wisp, and the RINOS, the House is doing its job under its Constitutional mandate.

Concur; here's an excellent piece on the subject by Dr. Thomas Sowell:

quote:

Who Shut Down the Government?
By Thomas Sowell · Oct. 4, 2013

Even when it comes to something as basic, and apparently as simple and straightforward, as the question of who shut down the federal government, there are diametrically opposite answers, depending on whether you talk to Democrats or to Republicans.

There is really nothing complicated about the facts. The Republican-controlled House of Representatives voted all the money required to keep all government activities going – except for ObamaCare.

This is not a matter of opinion. You can check the Congressional Record.

As for the House of Representatives' right to grant or withhold money, that is not a matter of opinion either. You can check the Constitution of the United States. All spending bills must originate in the House of Representatives, which means that Congressmen there have a right to decide whether or not they want to spend money on a particular government activity.

Whether ObamaCare is good, bad or indifferent is a matter of opinion. But it is a matter of fact that members of the House of Representatives have a right to make spending decisions based on their opinion.

Source, more: http://patriotpost.us/opinion/20588



The sooner Obama is thrown into the dustbin of history, the better America will be.

Also concur. How? I feel like we're in a race with him to next year's mid-terms, and he has a 4-1/2-year head start.


Who can say for certain that at the end of his term he will quietly walk off into history. Despots aren't know for that.

Who can say for certain that his term has an expiration date?
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Reindog
Posted on Tuesday, October 15, 2013 - 11:50 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

So much for bipartisanship. The news reports this morning were saying that a deal was within reach. At this moment, I am watching Pelosi and Reid up to their old antics: demonizing Republicans and hurling epithets, and ascribing blame to everyone else but themselves. That is NOT how I learned how to negotiate. That is the negotiating stance that a three year old makes while throwing a tantrum.

Aren't you Liberals sick of this BS yet? If not now, when?
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Hootowl
Posted on Tuesday, October 15, 2013 - 03:33 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Reindog, the cartoon of the car going over the cliff is not accurate. It should be a golf cart.
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Pwnzor
Posted on Tuesday, October 15, 2013 - 04:33 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

It should be a golf cart.

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Buellkowski
Posted on Tuesday, October 15, 2013 - 05:24 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Congress passed the ACA.

Congress can amend or repeal the ACA, overriding a presidential veto, if necessary.

That is a constitutional fact.

Congress' "power of the purse" is intended to be a check on executive power. It is ridiculous to believe that it is intended to be a check on Congress' own power (see repeal/amend above).

What the House Repubs are doing is pitting Americans' representatives against Americans' representatives, using the threat of shutdown and default as a weapon, instead of using their constitutionally-enshrined votes.

This is how civil wars start. I've read Tea Party adherents' comments; they WANT the government to fall.

Shame on them.
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Hootowl
Posted on Tuesday, October 15, 2013 - 05:30 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

"they WANT the government to fall."

They do not want the government to fall.

On our present course, this government WILL fail, and soon. What Tea Party members want is for government to return to what it was intended to be so that it does NOT fail.

Pretending the opposite does not make it true.
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Reindog
Posted on Tuesday, October 15, 2013 - 05:54 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Thanks, Hoot. Truer words have rarely been spoken. I wish Liberals such as Kowski could see and admit that this country is on a collision course with economic disaster. Read your history. Reckless civilizations wither into obscurity or die.

There has never been a country as awesome and good as America. Never, not one even close. We have our problems but we as a united people, solve our problems. The Great Disuniter is splitting us on a daily basis.
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Sifo
Posted on Tuesday, October 15, 2013 - 06:05 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Congress' "power of the purse" is intended to be a check on executive power. It is ridiculous to believe that it is intended to be a check on Congress' own power (see repeal/amend above).

Actually, what is being unfunded is the ACA as amended by the executive branch with no input from Congress. One of the "compromises" proposed by the house was to fund the ACA without all of the exemptions that were put in by BO. BO refused to compromise on his changes, so the law as he changed it is not getting funded.

This is how civil wars start. I've read Tea Party adherents' comments; they WANT the government to fall.

The ACA has been a no compromise, no input from the other side right from the start. That is how civil wars start. BO has accelerated our country down a path to financial ruin from day one (I recognize that we were aimed in that direction before BO). We are approaching the point where we won't be able to keep up with the interest payments on our debts. At best we have stolen the fortune from future generations. Is that something a civil war should be fought over? It's not much different than the war of independence, where the king was claiming the fortune of the colonists without representation. The only difference is that our future generations are depending on this generation to fight for them. If our government is that tyrannical, it needs to fall. I don't think anyone wants that to happen, but it may just be needed. Don't confuse wants and needs.
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Buellkowski
Posted on Tuesday, October 15, 2013 - 06:34 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Get the votes and you can change the nation's course however you please.

There are your truer words.
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Fb1
Posted on Tuesday, October 15, 2013 - 06:35 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

What Tea Party members want is for government to return to what it was intended to be so that it does NOT fail.

This is what ANY true American wants, me included.

0bama? HE wants this country to fail. No, not cease to exist. Fail, so that he can continue with his fundamental transformation into a country that will make the First Lady (damned hard to type that; I'm trying to be nice) even prouder.

The Founders would have declared their independence from Dear Leader long, long ago...
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Reindog
Posted on Tuesday, October 15, 2013 - 06:41 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

What if we voted to put the Jews on trains headed for the East? This is why America is NOT a democracy. Obama never got the memo as he abuses his Executive power, whether it be cherry picking ACA, determining when Congress is in session (NRLB), executing immigration policy (DREAM act) and so on. It is truly sad that Liberals somehow saw the danger that Nixon represented but are totally blind to this POS who is a LOT worse than Nixon.

We can't change the nation's course however we please without amending the Constitution. Sorry to burst your bubble.
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Sifo
Posted on Tuesday, October 15, 2013 - 06:51 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Get the votes and you can change the nation's course however you please.

There are your truer words.


Our congress is set up in a way that the house responds most quickly to the swing of the pendulum. The house got the votes that you speak of. They are doing the work of changing the nation's course. Our pResident is not respecting the will of the people. His "no compromise" approach will tear the country apart. He will be to blame. Who is remembered as being the leader during the Civil War? Speaker of the house? I don't think so.
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Aesquire
Posted on Tuesday, October 15, 2013 - 08:01 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/oct/15/ho use-gop-push-obama-biden-obamacare/

IMHO, That is a good PR move, it gives up a lot, but it's righteous in that it mirrors the class envy tactics of the opposition.

http://thecable.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2013/10/15 /democrats_israel_lobby_threaten_iran_talks

Sure, blame the Jews, not rare common sense. Trusting Iran's Mullahs is insane.



You can view it that one side has ideals and is standing up for the little guy against the big money fatcats that bribe the politicians to get richer.

You can view it that the other side is a bunch of thieving politicians with no real interest beyond their personal fortunes, power, and in some cases an ideology that is certain to bring ruin to our nation.

Either way, there's a lot of truth to those views.

A lot of politics is "your lying sack of cat crap is worse than mine", so let us skip the personalities, ( repugnant ) and look at the facts.

Since Congress was retaken by the D's, ( after the R's in charge spent too much ) spending has accelerated. Since Obama got to Washington, Spending accelerated. Since Obama became President, Spending again accelerated.

Since Congress was retaken by the D's, unemployment has gone up. Since Obama became President, it's gone up more. Check the numbers. Not just the sound bite number, which does not include people not in the State Employment Office system.

Foreign policy?

I think Bush messed up big time with the "building the peace" efforts on the Iraq & Afghan Fronts. I think Obama has been particularly bad with our allies, and will rant on that in context, another time.

Obama has never signed a budget. CR's yes, but not a normal, legal budget, and that seems to be because the Senate will not vote on one, which is a bad thing.

Why? It seems to me like they can now spend even more with less constraint on their power to tax us and order us around. There's a reason you don't give a 13 year old a credit card at the Mall.

Please correct me if MY guess as to why Congress breaks the law in this fashion is wrong. It's just my best guess.

The threats of government shutdown, power ploys, doomspeak, and brinksmanship is annoying, and has happened before. I'm pretty sure every time it does, it seems worse, more vile, than before. That could be true, or just our memories suck.

In any event, THIS is the game Obama wants to play, It looks to me and probably him, that he's winning.

Sifo's observation is right, on the House being the more mercurial ( changes faster ) of the 2 parts of Congress. The Senate is supposed to be the more conservative, the more status quo part, to keep the scarier parts of Democracy from happening. ( like Jim Crow Laws ) }
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Hootowl
Posted on Tuesday, October 15, 2013 - 08:26 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Yeah, well, the Senate is supposed to be appointed by the governors, but that got hosed up along the way. That needs to be repealed. They are at the mercy of the voters just like the house. The founders did not intend for that to be the case.
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Sifo
Posted on Tuesday, October 15, 2013 - 09:41 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The Left's idea of civil disobedience ...





Vs.

The Right's idea of civil disobedience...



Enough said.
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