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     Union_man |
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| Sifo |
This is a heart breaking read... Here's Those Layoffs We Voted For Last Night I'm sure there plenty of employers making the same cut backs that aren't in the news. Nothing makes health care affordable like losing your jobs.  | ||
| Cityxslicker |
Cheer up - MOST of that bill doesn't go into affect until 2014. What you are seeing now is the leaking in the line, eventually the pipe will fail - it gets much worse. Pity nobody read the bill. | ||
| Sifo |
It's ironic that while being demonized as the rich 1%, these business owners where obviously trying to avoid laying people off in the hopes of a more jobs friendly administration. Failing to get that administration they are faced with the the reality of four more years of anti-business policies. Time to pull the trigger and cut. Yes City, you are correct. 2014 will be when the real pain begins. It's not very far away at this point. BTW, for the disbelievers, this is the Laffer curve in action. | ||
| Kilroy |
Be careful what you wish for garryb, you may wake up one day and realize you got it- | ||
| Glitch |
Well if by purple, you mean the Libertarian way of thinking, I'm way ahead of you. If the Republicans had not alienated the Ron Paul supporters, they'd a had been closer to the number of voters that voted for Mccain. That might just have put the Republican Party in power. Obama got 10 million fewer votes this go round!!! The Republicans did not get out the vote, plain and simple. How they get out the vote next time will be interesting to be sure. Will the Republican party be able to go more Libertarian? Will they be able to get more of the youth vote, rather than alienating them. Us old folks are outnumbered. Today's people under 40 view things very differently, very differently. Homosexuality, Race, Sexuality, Society as a whole, are seen through very different eyes then we're used to. There are a tremendous amount of young people that have very conservative ideas with regards to Country, Financial Responsibility, Rule of Law, Taxation, the Roll of Government. They don't believe that we are all a part of the government, but rather, we all own the government. These young people are more tolerant than you could ever believe. If the Republican party is to survive, they are going to have learn how to communicate with this younger generation, without alienating them. You don't have to give up on your fundamental principles, you just need to be more tolerant of someone's feeling that if it's not intruding on someone else's Rights to Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness, then they feel it's ok. The younger people I know (early 20s to mid 30s) are "socially liberal" for lack of a better term, yet very fiscally conservative. They also take the Constitution very very seriously. See, the Republicans took their eye off the ball, got all mired in emotional issues, when all along it was the economy, stupid. When politicians get all philosophical we all loose, this ain't philosophy. | ||
| Glitch |
The painful truth Take a look at how many closings and layoffs there are going on right this very minute. | ||
| Cataract2 |
Hey Cataract2, you like that ending sentence so much. What's your opinion of BO using his religious beliefs to push Obamacare? Hey Sifo, I never once agreed with the Health Care Bill. Parts of it I think aren't bad, but overall I don't like it, think it should be thrown out, and if they are serious about doing the right thing then they need to sit down and put something out that will work and not the crap they did. | ||
| Sifo |
Cataract2, the question wasn't about the healthcare bill. The question was about how BO used HIS religious beliefs to promote the healthcare bill. | ||
| Xdigitalx |
I don't think there is anyone truly purple out there yet. The country can not be blue or red.... it has to be blended somewhat. Compromises need to be made on all sides. | ||
| Glitch |
I'm worried about the up coming 30 hour work week. Yep, that's in ObamaCare. What will happen when the full time people are cut down to 30 hours? Will it be easier to hire 2 20 hour employees? | ||
| Jima4media |
There is nothing in ObamaCare about a 30 hour work week. | ||
| Jima4media |
2012 presidential election by the numbers. 538 = number of members of the electoral college. 313 to 225 = Nate Silver prediction of election. 332 to 206 = Obama versus Romney actual electoral college votes. 2.6 billion spent on campaigning by all parties. 10.0 billion dollars spent by Proctor and Gamble advertising soap in 2012 Watching Donald Trump’s and Karl Rove’s heads explode = priceless White male establishment is now a minority = Republican party is now officially dead. R.I.P. | ||
| Buellinachinashop |
I wonder what kind of deal Obama made with Patraeus to launch this bombshell after the election? | ||
| Pwnzor |
There is nothing in ObamaCare about a 30 hour work week. So you've read it in it's entirety? It is to laugh, sir. | ||
| Cataract2 |
Cataract2, the question wasn't about the healthcare bill. The question was about how BO used HIS religious beliefs to promote the healthcare bill. Ok, maybe I interpreted what you were asking wrong. I say keep religion out of politics. He should have kept his mouth shut in that regard. Same goes for the other side keeping their mouths shut about how they're tax dollars are being spent on something against their belief. | ||
| Geedee |
Glitch, you are an astute man. Go Amanda Billyrock. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedd ed&v=47EC6kKNISQ | ||
| Mikef5000 |
There is nothing in ObamaCare about a 30 hour work week. So you've read it in it's entirety? I googled it every way I could think of, and what Obamacare states is that 30 hours per week (average over a month) is considered full time. No where could I find that 30 hours per week was a maximum, and that full time people are going to be "cut down to 30 hours". I'd like to know more about this claim, if there is a source or something. (BTW, I am as against Obamacare as the next guy, no need to try to convince me it's bad, I'm just curious about this 30 hour work week thing) | ||
| Sifo |
Same goes for the other side keeping their mouths shut about how they're tax dollars are being spent on something against their belief. Do you want to toss the entire Constitution or just certain parts of it. What about when it's your rights being trampled? That statement is just astonishing. The 30 hour thing in BOcare is just that 30 hours or more is considered full time employment. I believe it's employers with 50 or more full time employees are required to provide insurance. At that point the employer will look for ways around that. The choice could also be just don't employ 50 people. That puts a cap on growth of the business, so part time employees becomes the affordable way to keep growing the business. It will show lower unemployment stats as people take part time work. People will be somewhat tricked by that when the reality is just that people are dreadfully underemployed. That will become the new normal in the Obamanation. | ||
| Cataract2 |
Sifo, how are any of your rights being trampled? Are you being held from going to church to worship as you please? (Since this is all about religion at the moment.) Are you being prevented from worshiping what you believe in your own home? No? Being dragged from your home for what you believe? No? Ok, so how then are your rights being trampled? Why then do you wish to trample on the rights of two consenting adults? I can see how this can get compared to the civil rights era. The similarities are striking to say the least. I seem to recall many believing that blacks were subhuman during that period as well. | ||
| Sifo |
Sifo, how are any of your rights being trampled? Are you being held from going to church to worship as you please? Seriously? I'm not sure I can explain it any more clearly that I already have. How about an example? How is the government putting up a manger scene at Christmas time keeping anyone from worshiping in their home as they please? Is that dragging anyone from their home for what they believe? It's the same exact thing when government funds are spend that promotes someone elses moral/religious beliefs. How hard is that to see? | ||
| Cataract2 |
Sifo, so what? You want them to put a prohibited list on your tax forms saying what you don't want your tax dollars going to? Man, talk about big government. Like I stated above. There are a ton of things the government uses tax dollars for that people could find against their beliefs. Isn't there a denomination of Christianity that doesn't believe in military. Something to do about fighting. So, should they be exempt from paying taxes as those go towards something against their belief? | ||
| Sifo |
Why is that not the solution for manger scenes? Oh, I know! It's that pesky Constitution thing. "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof" and all that sort of stuff. I'll ask again... Do you want to ignore the entire Constitution, or just select parts of it. | ||
| Mikef5000 |
WTF. Both this thread and the Romney/Ryan thread appear to have lost their way. You two have fun. | ||
| Cataract2 |
Where did I suggest anything about ignoring the Constitution? You want to keep attempting to put words in my mouth? I believe in following the Constitution. I also believe in the part about everyone being equal. Does the GOP want to keep ignoring that part on religious grounds? | ||
| Sifo |
Where did I suggest anything about ignoring the Constitution?
Are you not saying that people should keep their mouths shut about how tax dollars are being spent on something against their religious beliefs? Putting it in context, you were referring to the GOP (other side from BO). We are discussing religious beliefs, right? Are you not saying that people should just shut up about first amendment rights being violated? | ||
| Sifo |
I've been fairly certain for a while that you are just trying to yank my chain on this. I mean, you just can't be this dense and graduate high school, can you? | ||
| Aesquire |
Sifo, you haven't been paying attention. You can be illiterate, completely ignorant of all history, and not be able to make change and graduate High School. After all, it's a Union Shop.  | ||
| Sifo |
I know... I know...  | ||
| Davegess |
I thought we were dropping the insults? |
