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     Aesquire |
Takes the economy with it? Ok, if you figure there will be one worth having with the real example of ever increasing government, ever decreasing private sector. ( rate of government growth is higher than the GDP ) Which if taken to it's insane and logical endpoint has everyone on the dole, no matter if they work for Uncle Sugar dispensing it, or don't work at all. Assume a 50% total tax rate for people, Mine is higher NOW ) 100% government income, we have a total deficit economy, and nothing is produced. It's not going to work. You say that's absurd? It'll never go that far? Hopefully, Probably true, but does the Prez know that? Also, the healthcare system, once remolded to fit the one payer/one plan system, will have no competition to create improvement in service, but only demands for rationing to match tax revenue. A lot of people have looked at healthcare and tried various industrial process ideas to fix the inefficient preindustrial revolution techniques used. Some of these ideas work pretty good, some don't. Just like the real world. The Government World? Not so much. | ||
| Geedee |
Sounds like it is all on target then and going well. A few little glitches with some internal faction power play going on, but hey, we set ourselves 100 years so y'all mightn't notice our plan. So far, pretty good. Think outside America. Not sure you are able to do that very well though. The world is our oyster. | ||
| Sifo |
In the VA system, the future of primary health care... Funny thing calling this the future of healthcare. The type of care being described has been in the private system for a long time. The simple fact that this is being praised as a step forward in the VA system, simply points out the deficiencies. Who would ever have thought of healthcare being a "multifaceted and coordinated approach to treatment". Any first year med student should be able to understand the need for that. In fact it doesn't really take any specialized training at all. The VA is decades behind the outside world. Where will we be when this becomes the model for future medical advancement? Seems safe to say that if it's currently decades behind private medicine, that when private medicine is eliminate from the picture, we will see advancements stall. In 50 years we will pretty much be right where we are now. At least we have advanced beyond blood letting. It would be a shame to have stalled the advancement there. This doesn't even begin to get into all the other issues being created. I wonder what this intern will think in a couple of decades when he realizes that his earnings potential has been capped and he will have serious difficulties just paying off the education he has just gotten. | ||
| Kenm123t |
FORGET OUR GOV the UN is after the disabled kids the UN wants to control every thing about the disabled childs life. The bill is voting this week I ll look up the bill later Your children are being given to International law ! | ||
| Cataract2 |
Want to ask some vets how they feel about the VA system? I do recall reading many stories about their failure for just those with PTSD not to mention others. | ||
| Geedee |
Kenm123t is the winner, AGENDA 21. Agenda 21 is a United Nation’s game plan for a radical transformation of the global society. At the Rio Earth Summit, Al Gore stated that “Americans are going to have to face a wrenching transformation of Society.” President Obama’s stated goal is a “transformation of America” as we know it. The innocuous term used by the United Nations to accomplish this transformation is “Sustainable Development.” Broken down, that means the dismantling of America as a sovereign nation and the globalization of our economy and our laws. Our rate of development, according to globalists, is “un-sustainable” based on underdeveloped countries. In effect, it restricts population and economic growth in America through government-controlled health care and through decreased and redistributed resources such as energy and wealth. Americans should no longer “sustain life” of the very young or elderly or remain sovereign and prosperous. The globalists’ creed is — the planet cannot endure it. | ||
| Aesquire |
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/12/03/us-usa-t ax-irs-idUSBRE8B21HA20121203 http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/obama-aide-the se-republicans-thered-still-be-slavery-today_66439 7.html Some truth to that one. If the Media in Lincoln's day had been as dedicated to supporting the slave owning and supporters of slave owning Democrats, we'd have had slavery in the Confederacy today. Some of us think the Dems never got over losing their slaves. That explains the welfare rules resulting in a 70% illegitimacy rate among urban black families, the high crime rate, bad schools, and high level of dependency on the mastas running the plantation. Or it could be 100 years of creeping progressivism, another slave owning culture. Or both. | ||
| Oldog |
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/interactive/2012/1 2/03/house-republican-letter-to-obama-outlining-co unter-proposal-to-avert-fiscal/ | ||
| Ducbsa |
This has some good analysis: http://pjmedia.com/victordavishanson/the-confessio ns-of-a-confused-misfit/?singlepage=true | ||
| Pwnzor |
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| Hybridmomentspass |
well good thing we didnt collide with nibiru | ||
| Aesquire |
Who says we didn't? never hear of a metaphor? | ||
| Pwnzor |
Nibiru was rescheduled for impact around the 21st of December. | ||
| Aesquire |
I wonder.... all these people who are freaked about the mezzo-american calender and the 21'st. Each year do they freak when the Hallmark calender abruptly ends Dec31 with NO EXPLANATION????? The pictures of puppies and kittens just STOP! Obviously the end of all. Well actually the Solstice is a multi-denominational religious day. Darn near every culture... but the reason is freaking obvious. The days stop getting shorter and that means we are NOT all going to die in the cold of eternal night. Frankly I'd rather giggle about human foolishness than watch the Prez essentially tell us a: IF I don't get to practice the class hatred I preach, I'm going to destroy you. b: I won't spend one penny less. EVER. c: It makes no difference if you have a solution to our problems, I will destroy you. d: Despite what everyone who actually works for a living thinks, everything is going to be fine. As Soon As I Have My Way In All Things. e: to do that I must Destroy all who oppose me. F: Dead silence on Egypt. Or as he says before the mirror each morning. "I won. Kneel Before Me." Oh, to be fair, the R leaders are really torquing me off. | ||
| Aesquire |
I see unemployment is Up again. | ||
| Aesquire |
http://www.pjtv.com/?cmd=mpg&mpid=105&load=7783 Funny, reminds me of when Warren Buffet jumped on board the Prez's class envy "tax the rich" riff. It was certainly a coincidence that Obama's daily rants abruptly stopped complaining about the Evil "Private Jet Owners". Nothing to do with the fact that his new friend, Warren, Owns a Private Jet Company. But good old Warren told us to please tax him more, he could afford it! Heck, Warren doesn't even pay the same rate as his ( underpaid, IMHO ) Secretary. At the same time, Warren's many and very expensive lawyers were in court, with the IRS, trying very very hard to avoid paying a lot of taxes..... No, more than that. ( I wonder how that came out for Warren? Did he pay more taxes he could afford? Anyone want to bet? ) Oh, yeah, Unemployment is up. In November? | ||
| Aesquire |
http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2012/12/07/salvation -army-seeing-record-number-of-families-in-need/ Record need and poverty in modern times. | ||
| Geedee |
You know what is going on Aesquire. Start spelling it out. It is not the time to pussyfoot around. That site promotes this link: http://www.redorbit.com/news/science/1112734841/in telligence-genetics-humans-getting-dumber-gerald-c rabtree-112012/  It's a perfect day for some Buelling  | ||
| Oldog |
posted from news max, headline should be DUHHHH Lesson From UK: Tax Hike on Wealthy Lowers Revenue One side wants to rein in entitlements to deal with the budget deficit. The other side insists that any such moves be accompanied by higher taxes on the wealthy. That may sound like the ongoing fiscal battle in Washington, but actually describes the situation in Britain. The difference is that Britain has already raised taxes on the wealthy, with a telling result: The government actually lost revenue. In the 2009-2010 tax year in Britain, more than 16,000 people reported annual income of more than 1 million pounds (equal to about $1.6 million today). Then in 2010, Prime Minister Gordon Brown, a member of the Labour Party, introduced a new 50 percent top income tax rate for high-income earners. After that, the number of people reporting income of at least 1 million pounds fell to 6,000. “It is believed that rich Britons moved abroad or took steps to avoid paying the new levy by reducing their taxable incomes,” The Telegraph reported. Harriet Baldwin, a Conservative member of Parliament, said: “Labour’s ideological tax hike led to a tax cull of millionaires.” Instead of raising revenue, the tax hike cost the U.K. 7 billion pounds ($11.2 billion) in lost revenue — and that in an economy one-quarter the size of America’s. Now the government of Conservative Party Prime Minister David Cameron has announced that it will lower the top rate from 50 percent to 45 percent, a move the Labour Party officials have called a “tax cut for millionaires.” In ongoing budget talks, Conservatives want to freeze out-of-work benefits, which are set to rise with inflation, while liberals in the government “will only allow the benefits freeze if taxes on the rich are increased,” according to The Telegraph. Democrats in the United States might note that since Cameron’s government announced the lower top rate, the number of Britons reporting income of at least 1 million pounds has risen to 10,000. this would be entertaining to watch if I did not have to participate.... } | ||
| Hootowl |
15% flat tax on all income types. No deductions. No exceptions. Everyone has skin in the game. Continue until debt is repaid, then 10%. Problem solved. Unfortunately, that will never happen. Politicians will never give up the only power they have to garner votes: Doling out tax breaks. | ||
| Reepicheep |
I'm with you Hoot. And make it a sales tax only... which would also make it an environmental revolution (for the better). People would demand better quality, and fix those higher quality things when they break, rather than just throwing them away. | ||
| Geedee |
Under the Federal Reserve system the debt can NEVER be repaid. Unless all property is forfeited to cover the interest payments. The interest due has never been created nor put into circulation to begin with. If all money is borrowed into existence as it is, and you borrow $100 @ 10%, where do you get the $10 for the interest payment? You can get it from me, but now I'm $10 short on even the principal. All the 'complicated' talk in banking is obfuscation, and it works. Income tax on salaries and wages is unconstitutional and the ability for the government to tax you is the security the private central banks have against their loans. The IRS is the collection arm of the Fed. It is only a Government Agency. It is not the government. It's a scam. End of story. | ||
| Hybridmomentspass |
Just think what it would be like if R&R were in charge... | ||
| Hootowl |
There would be a permanent tax rate set, giving corporations a stable financial picture with which to make business decisions upon? We don't have that now, and business is hoarding cash in fear of what the government is going to do to them. | ||
| Cowboy |
As I think we will be going into a great depression I am concidering going in to the tomstone business as I think there will be a large NO. of customers. anyone have a openion. | ||
| Aesquire |
For 8 years the D's mantra was, "worst economy since the Great Depression". At no time was that true. now it is, and no one says it. Who will be able to afford tombstones? No, metals, that's the investment ticket. Brass, lead coated in copper alloy... because I can't afford Silver or Gold.  if R&R were in charge? The tactics would, maybe be different, but Barry would still be Prez 'til january. We'd still have the "fiscal cliff" that Congress set up as so they could keep not doing their jobs before the election. The Prez would still be blaming the Rs for everything, and he'd still be on vacation and campaigning instead of his job. We'd still have stonewalling on F&F, Bengazi, and Egypt. We'd still have tax hikes on the middle class, ( until and unless Romney ordered the whole Obamacare mess stopped, and I doubt he could or would have ) and the hardest hit by the rising inflation and unemployment would be minorities and the poor. As always. Now, in a year, things would be different, the economy should have improved ( compared to the real next year ), but a lot of that would have to get through a hostile Senate. But, that didn't happen, so prep for Depression while MSNBC tells you how great it is. Bet you unemployment is up a year from now. ( people out of work, including the so called "not looking" so they don't count in the % number that keeps going down while unemployment rises. ) | ||
| Cityxslicker |
If you tax the rich too much, they will opt out of methods and modes that will cause them tax liability, The poor could never pay it, and hell over half of the country doesn't pay taxes .... where is this 'revenue' coming from ... the middle - as it always has. wtf anytime someone preaches for the good of all, but wants it from your pocket - they are a thief. The middle will start to opt out of the economy next. The marginal lower rates will find that ' hell it is easier, cheaper, less work to live off the dole' the uppers will sabatical out of the economy to lower their liability and the middle shrinks - tax evasion will skyrocket. damn history sucks. double damn for economics | ||
| Strokizator |
Two items in the news that strike me as odd is Obama, in the middle of demanding higher taxes on the rich, is warning us that if the Bush tax cuts aren't extended for everyone else then the middle class will see their taxes go up by an average of $2000. What!?! Aren't these the guys who told us that the Bush tax cuts were just for the wealthiest Americans who didn't really want a tax cut anyway? Secondly, the nightly news is full of stories warning us about Syria and WMD's. "The regime is desperate and might use chemical weapons on its own citizenry". When Bush was president, that was a lie. Now that O's in office, is it suddenly the truth? | ||
| Cowboy |
One good item of news to day the UNIONS sure got thier asses handed to them today(he he he ) | ||
| Aesquire |
I wonder if Obama will sign an executive order to have YOU pay the lost money to the Michigan Unions? http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/335269/vict ory-demagoguery-mona-charen ....Mr. Obama has successfully deluded people into believing that the rich pay less in taxes than their secretaries. In fact, as Steve Moore has shown, the top 5 percent of taxpayers earn 37 percent of national income but pay 61 percent of income taxes. Democrats, especially this president, have scorned the Bush years for their accumulated debt and for raging inequality. Yet, as Professor Emmanuel Saez of Berkeley (yes, Berkeley) has shown, the income gap during Obama’s first term has been far more pronounced than it was during the Bush years. As Alexander Eichler of the Huffington Post put it, “The rising tide has lifted fewer boats during the Obama years — and the ones it’s lifted have been mostly yachts.” The demonization of the rich paid electoral dividends: Obama will get his way on tax rates. But the problem he conjured — the rich getting richer at the expense of everyone else — was a crude fiction. It’s the kind of class warfare appeal that has worked all over the globe. We used to be an exception. No more. |
