G oog le BadWeB | Login/out | Topics | Search | Custodians | Register | Edit Profile

Buell Forum » Quick Board » Archive through September 07, 2021 » Former President 0. » Archive through October 27, 2012 « Previous Next »

Author Message
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

Fb1
Posted on Friday, October 26, 2012 - 07:56 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Perhaps.

Let me rephrase the question: WHO was inside that building that was so valuable?
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

Aesquire
Posted on Friday, October 26, 2012 - 08:12 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Incompetence and malice

http://www.jerrypournelle.com/chaosmanor/?p=10316

The security situation is one thing.

The DECISION not to send help, another.

The Cover up after, criminal. Simply a high crime and misdemeanor.

The political imprisonment of "the film maker" is unbearable.

Yes, the guy is probably scum. We have laws to protect scum from the police and the politicians.. ( good folk don't usually need protection... in the past. Today? WE are the greatest threat to the nation according to the Dept of Fatherland Security. As an I Told You So, I was against this bureaucracy from the beginning... Not Bush's finest hour. )

The "film maker's" hearing is not until after the election. We are told he is a flight risk. He is therfor, by nature a political prisoner.

Where is the ACLU? Where are the news agencies? Where is the interview?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came...

When they come for ANYONE. Stop them. Help the ones THEY come for escape. Then you must decide if you wish to fade into the woodwork, or openly oppose the evil.

Stopping Them from taking your neighbor may involve simply butting in, distracting the jack booted thugs, Standing between the victims and the police/brownshirts/mob, or more direct and unlawful means. You have to decide if your life is worth your morals. Your actions may indeed make you a fugitive, with the full force of a government against you. Home, property, family, your freedom and very life are at stake when you decide to oppose tyranny.

I can't make these decisions for anyone else. I'm uncertain as to what I, myself, are willing to do.

I do know that if only a few were brave enough, at certain times in history, great evil can be stopped.

If it can't, going down defending the innocent isn't the worst way to go. ( but that is MY religion, you must consult your own )
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

Fb1
Posted on Friday, October 26, 2012 - 08:16 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The political imprisonment of "the film maker" is unbearable.

I'm not at all convinced there's actually a filmmaker.

"Hey, look over here!!"
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

Cityxslicker
Posted on Friday, October 26, 2012 - 10:31 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Against ALL enemies, foreign or Domestic.

The emperor with no clothes is no superstar in the Intell community.
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

Cityxslicker
Posted on Friday, October 26, 2012 - 11:50 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

do be do be do - and the beat goes on
http://www.infowars.com/national-guard-whistleblow er-doomsday-preppers-will-be-treated-as-terrorists /
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

Two_seasons
Posted on Saturday, October 27, 2012 - 12:19 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I begged W via a letter not to form DHS. I knew then that all those separate agencies would not enjoy being under the same "umbrella".

Guess I was right in my assessment
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

Geedee
Posted on Saturday, October 27, 2012 - 06:28 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

"Against ALL enemies, foreign or Domestic."
http://willyloman.wordpress.com/2012/09/24/cia-fin gerprints-all-over-benghazi-innocence-psyop/

"Hillary Clinton has appointed CFR member and former El Salvadorian ambassador Thomas R. Pickering to head up her “investigation” of the events."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedd ed&v=IdAzu1d0Bp0

Listen to what she is saying, not what you hear. She should change her name to Benedicte Arnold.

"The CIA has been under CFR control almost continuously since its creation, starting with Allen Dulles, founding member of the CFR and brother of Secretary of State under President Eisenhower, John Foster Dulles."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedd ed&v=J_x04Gn3-2g

Hillary is such a lovely lady. Hillary receives instructions from CFR, maybe all her instructions.
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

Wolfridgerider
Posted on Saturday, October 27, 2012 - 10:30 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

now if this turned out to be true.....



(Message edited by wolfridgerider on October 27, 2012)
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

Fb1
Posted on Saturday, October 27, 2012 - 10:45 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Wolfie:

Let me rephrase the question: WHO was inside that building that was so valuable?

Bingo! At 1:55 in your video: "If they simply wanted to kill Ambassador Stevens..."

At 2:06: "It is obvious they were trying to take hostages. Specifically, Ambassador Stevens."

Truth. Hurts.
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

Fb1
Posted on Saturday, October 27, 2012 - 10:54 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Followup:

Wolfie, I've got my ear on at least a dozen online "social media" sites, filtering thru the noise and trying to glean enough pieces of truth to make clear in my mind WHAT happened in Benghazi, and WHY.

Your video linked above is spot on the money, IMO, based on everything I've been able to piece together from other sources.

WHY the massive cover-up? It's not simply to soften the blow to 0's claims that we've got alkida on the ropes. That meme was also a distraction.

This cover-up is HUGE. Why?

All signs point to the president. And I think the theory postulated above is accurate.

These are dangerous times, amigo. Keep your powder dry...
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

Fb1
Posted on Saturday, October 27, 2012 - 11:02 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

At 2:06: "It is obvious they were trying to take hostages. Specifically, Ambassador Stevens."

Remember the cell phones video we've seen online and in the "news" of Amb Stevens being drug out the window and the crowd overjoyed that he was still alive? And how they rushed him to a hospital?

We were "fed" the meme that it was a display of Libyan support for America, that the Libyans were expressing compassion and sympathy to Amb Stevens and solidarity with America.

Perhaps what they were actually displaying was relief that their hostage was still alive...
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

Wolfridgerider
Posted on Saturday, October 27, 2012 - 11:15 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

thats what I'm say'n.... when this kind of idea pops in your head.... the first thought is "NO WAY!"
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

Fb1
Posted on Saturday, October 27, 2012 - 11:21 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

It would neatly explain why REPEATED requests from Amb Stevens for more security in the months leading up to 9/11 were denied.

I keep asking the same questions:

WHY the attack in the first place? What was the goal?

And WHY the subsequent massive cover-up from the WH?


Let me add an additional "fear" factor: The mainstream media is complicit in all of this.....
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

Fb1
Posted on Saturday, October 27, 2012 - 11:27 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)


quote:

Mark Levin goes nuclear: This is a grand cover-up because Obama refused to do his duty as the C-in-C

The Right Scoop on October 26th, 2012

Mark Levin believes this is a massive cover-up because Obama refused to do his duty as Commander-in-Chief. He says people are dead and Obama is running around campaigning and that we should be rising up as a people, demanding answers. Mocking Obama’s campaign slogan “move forward”, Levin says we need to get Obama the hell out of office and the sooner the better.

Listen:





http://youtu.be/dX5LMqKHyME

Source: http://www.therightscoop.com/mark-levin-goes-nucle ar-this-is-a-grand-cover-up-because-obama-refused- to-do-his-duty-as-the-c-in-c/
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

Wolfridgerider
Posted on Saturday, October 27, 2012 - 11:27 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Let me add an additional "fear" factor: The mainstream media is complicit in all of this.....

nah... the only way to guarantee 2 people can keep a secret is if one of them is dead... But the MSM do drink the Obamaid
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

Fb1
Posted on Saturday, October 27, 2012 - 11:41 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

But the MSM do drink the Obamaid

Why?
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

Wolfridgerider
Posted on Saturday, October 27, 2012 - 11:57 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I would also like to know the answer....
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

Fb1
Posted on Saturday, October 27, 2012 - 12:09 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

You touched on it in your post just above.

The other thing, which will at least buy you cover and a lot of time, is money.

Someone "owns" the mainstream media. Are you hearing much, if anything, about Benghazi-gate from the MSM? Why?

The 0-Team is trying desperately to kill this thing until at least AFTER the election.

If they win the election, obfuscate for two years, then declare exec priv (while fighting impeachments proceedings with every asset at their disposal).

If they LOSE the election (which seems to be very likely, IMO), then what? We've got two VERY long months of lame ducks running amok...

Back to the MSM: Yes, they drink copious amounts of foolade for the Big 0. It's why he got elected in the first place - he wasn't vetted.

Why would the MSM be in the tank for the ch0sen 0ne? There are only two possible answers...
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

Reepicheep
Posted on Saturday, October 27, 2012 - 12:14 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)


quote:

But the MSM do drink the Obamaid. Why?




Because down deep, they *know* they are complicit. They kept beating the "can't we all just get along" and "Bush is a warmonger" drum over and over during the decades since the Vietnam war first. And then secondly they know they failed to vet and inform people about the REAL Obama... a good and well meaning guy who was ill equipped and under-prepared to be president.

Down deep, they aren't stupid (well, except Chris Matthews, he really is stupid, but he is the exception).

They know the world is a dangerous place and there is a cold hard pragmatism that force wins, so our only hope is that the good guys are also the most dangerous guys.

And down deep they know Obama represents a great movie script, but a bad president. Particularly in the area they are also realizing they got wrong (peace is achieved through force).

So in the same way I get sick to my stomach reading these articles, they just can't bring themselves to be the bringers of truth they need to be. They can't handle the truth. At least not gracefully.

The same thing happens in my own life frequently. Grill me about areas of my life where I am not feeling guilty, and I'll drop into the perfect engineer mode and tell you everything everyone (including me) is doing wrong and can do better.

Then ask me about something I feel guilty about. Then all my "mystical engineer powers of persuasion" are applied to change the topic, dither, and otherwise squirm away. Even when I see and feel myself doing it, at best I can come to a truce with it. I can never beat it.
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

Fb1
Posted on Saturday, October 27, 2012 - 01:31 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

the REAL Obama... a good and well meaning guy who was ill equipped and under-prepared to be president.

You're a much more charitable man than I. : )


A question for the folks trying to put the Benghazi-gate pieces together? Why were our SEALS ordered to stand down? That makes zero sense.

They were painting the bad guys with lasers, we had at least one drone (armed, I assume) watching the massacre and sending the video feed back to the WH, we had a Spooky overhead, we COULD have ended the seige, and possibly saved Amb Stevens' life.

We - the WH - watched all of this for seven hours.........and did NOTHING.

Well, the pres did something: He turned in for the night, and flew to his party in Las Vegas the following day. Nothing to see here, just a damned bump in the proverbial road, said the pres. "I got places to go and people to meet!"



Back to Benghazi: Why were our SEALS ordered to stand down? That's the exact opposite of the order that SHOULD have been given.

So many questions, so little time...
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

Ft_bstrd
Posted on Saturday, October 27, 2012 - 01:39 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Woods and Doherty weren't even supposed to be there.

If they hadn't stepped in, the crowd would have over-run the annex far sooner. Chris Stevens would more than likely have been kidnapped.

My question is whether there was a benefit to having Stevens kidnapped? What is the larger picture? Provide prelude for larger involvement in Libya?

It's almost like Obama was pissed that these guys stepped in and screwed up the plans.
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

Fb1
Posted on Saturday, October 27, 2012 - 01:41 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)


quote:

Petraeus Throws Obama Under the Bus
6:05 PM, Oct 26, 2012 • By WILLIAM KRISTOL

Breaking news on Benghazi: the CIA spokesman, presumably at the direction of CIA director David Petraeus, has put out this statement [*see also below - FB]: "No one at any level in the CIA told anybody not to help those in need; claims to the contrary are simply inaccurate. ”



Source: http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/petraeus-throw s-obama-under-bus_657896.html


*Tweet from Jake Tapper/ABC News: https://twitter.com/jaketapper/status/261936225106 132993
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

Fb1
Posted on Saturday, October 27, 2012 - 01:45 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

My question is whether there was a benefit to having Stevens kidnapped? What is the larger picture?

Your answer is in the video report that Wolfie posted:



http://youtu.be/M4ZHImBO3Rw



It's almost like Obama was pissed that these guys stepped in and screwed up the plans.

Grand-slam home run, amigo. Frightening, isn't it??
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

Sifo
Posted on Saturday, October 27, 2012 - 01:52 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I'm trying to follow you FB, but just don't really see the upside as an October surprise. How would trading Stevens for the Blind Sheik benefit him in the election. Or maybe this isn't the point you are driving at. I'm not sure.
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

Ft_bstrd
Posted on Saturday, October 27, 2012 - 01:53 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Is a week and a half enough time to bring all this to light?

I fear not.
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

Wolfridgerider
Posted on Saturday, October 27, 2012 - 01:58 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I don't think a trade would have helped "O" out. But a big ass rescue, we saved the day, I am great!! mission would have helped him in the polls.... a LOT
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

Ft_bstrd
Posted on Saturday, October 27, 2012 - 02:08 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Even better if the targets thought you were providing a brokered trade vs. a smash and grab operation.
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

Fb1
Posted on Saturday, October 27, 2012 - 02:11 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I'm trying to follow you FB, but just don't really see the upside as an October surprise. How would trading Stevens for the Blind Sheik benefit him in the election. Or maybe this isn't the point you are driving at. I'm not sure.
I'm not sure, either - still trying to put all the pieces together, with NO help from the MSM (Fox News and Jake Tapper excepted).

I think Wolfie's on to something - a heroic rescue, good for boosting a "likeability" rating that's in the crapper, JUST in time for the election.

On the other hand, consider what we've learned about our pres since 2008, and where his TRUE allegiances may lie. If this was indeed meant as a kidnapping, it's been in the planning stages for a very longgggg time.

Who is the pres loyal to? The American people? No, not in my opinion.

Who is he REALLY loyal to? If your answer is the same as mine, freeing the blind guy would make him a hero in THEIR eyes.

And, if done right, with the help of the MSM, of course, the exchange would make him a hero in OUR eyes (most of our eyes, anyway), too, just enough to swing the swing states he needs to vote his direction.

WHY were our SEALS ordered to stand down (and WHO gave the order)?

In my opinion, they are heroes for what they did on-scene AND........their actions may have very well saved America.

Think about it......

(Message edited by fb1 on October 27, 2012)
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

Reindog
Posted on Saturday, October 27, 2012 - 02:19 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

We don't know what the truth is. Emerging facts make the kidnapping theory likely.

I am not buying the Obama collusion conspiracy theory as the White House action (actually inaction) could be explained by fear of a repeat of "Black Hawk Down" or "Desert One".

Regardless, Obama is a sack full of you know what, anyway you cut what happened in Benghazi.

Obama delusion, not collusion, is more likely. It will all come to light when and if Congress does its job.
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

Sifo
Posted on Saturday, October 27, 2012 - 02:30 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

On the other hand, consider what we've learned about our pres since 2008, and where his TRUE allegiances may lie.

That's the part I can't understand. If this was a planned attack it would have been far better AFTER the election. The only way I see a planned attack helping him before the election is the heroic mission saving them, but that would be best done immediately. This was actually prevented. I just don't see any upside for his re-election. Without re-election he will have little opportunity to do anything significant. Now there is a paranoid little voice in my head wondering if he is concerned about winning re-election.

No I don't believe that his allegiances are with the Constitution or the people who believe in the Constitution. I have openly called his actions in the cover up treasonous. There's another paranoid voice in my head waiting for the Secret Service to break my door open.

Generally speaking with criminal behavior, motive isn't all that important. In that respect the simple fact that there was/is a cover up going on that has provided aid to our enemies is enough for me to have him suffer the full consequences of this crime. This is a criminal matter where motive does become important though. Not so much for the ability to prosecute, but for histories sake.
« Previous Next »

Topics | Last Day | Tree View | Search | User List | Help/Instructions | Rules | Program Credits Administration