| Author | Message | ||
     Fb1 |
What he said & what he's done are completely different. Amen. Well, I take that back: | ||
| Britchri10 |
Don't. Its all a web of deceits aimed at installing someone somewhere where they can do what the didn't say they were going to do in order to achieve what they didn't say they were aiming for. | ||
| Aesquire |
Are you telling me that a man whose every mentor is dedicated to a cult of lies for power ( progressive/leftist/communist revolutionary ) might embrace the tactics of deceit he's been immersed in his whole life? How unusual. ( we don't know his grades, but he makes clear who his mentors were in his Biographies ) Next you'll be telling me that you should 'Judge me by the people with whom I surround myself.'  | ||
| Garryb |
Hmm... Stock market at all time highs, including one of the strongest runs ever. Everyone's 401k multiple's larger than when Bush left office. The housing market strong, the auto industry amazing. Hopefully the republicans will continue to self destruct and this country will continue to thrive. | ||
| Mtnmason |
THRIVE!?!?! REALLY??? THRIVE!?!?! UNBELIEVABLE if you truly think that we are "thriving" or even beginning to "thrive" then you have effectively discredited anything you ever have or will post again. Please go find something worthwhile to do and leave these men to their discussion. Your kind is absolutely worthless here. | ||
| Garryb |
OK, I'll bite, what industry is doing worse than when Bush left office. I would say just about everything is doing better than when Bush left office? | ||
| Garryb |
I forgot, it really doesn't matter how the country is doing. We just need to bad rap and block anything Obama does. | ||
| Garryb |
Well, I guess I'm not appreciated here. | ||
| Aesquire |
Hold on there, he has some points. The Stock market is high, reflecting the confidence of the big money men that the Fed will continue to do "QE" or print money from nothing. Yes, that has caused rampant inflation, but not in indexes that are gleefully shared with the "media". So if Food and energy are minute fractions of your expenses, like a Manhattan Stock broker, then life IS pretty darn nice. Obama deserves credit for that. If you work for a living in a middle to lower income bracket, you do of course have problems with $100 gas tank fills ( well, only $60 for me, but it's a small tank ) and the high price of food. Obama gets only partial credit for Food costs, which are directly related to the cost of energy, but also by the "food to fuel" alcohol insanity that he embraces, but did NOT start. Actually my 401k was fine after a couple of years of Obama, ( a little slower than the predicted 18 months, but it came back ) lost a lot as we lived through the Clinton Recession, then the Jihad attacks, then Bush spending too much. IIRC, the 401k was good in the middle of the Bush years, but tanked again when the R's who spent too much were kicked out of office by the Republican voters, and Pelosi took over the House. Again, Bush's fault for not vetoing any spending bills. Ever. Housing strong? Um. Ok. not up to pre crash levels in a lot of ways, but better than after Obama's first year. Auto industry amazing? Sure, I'm amazed. It's going to hammer itself again, since many of the issues that brought it down last time are still not fixed. As usual the jobs haven't tracked with the Stocks. I don't know why we'd even expect that, with the new normal. And I'm all for the Republicans self destructing. The question is, how? If the people Garry probably likes win, the nation is screwed. Too many R Congresscritters too corrupt, too loyal to the Party masters. ( Rove? ) We need, desperately for a reborn R party, or for it to fail. Why? because of inflation, jobs, debt. There just are not enough D's who are not corrupted and loyal to their Party Masters to slow the rate of inflation and spending. We can't afford the credit bill now. Soon the GDP will be smaller than the interest. So, yeah, if you are rich, and especially if you donated to Obama, you're doing fine. If you are in the growing unemployed on food stamps, not so much. | ||
| Garryb |
And the weird part is that he is fighting for the middle class and trying to tax the rich. Hard to figure. | ||
| Pwnzor |
Patches, I think I must have hit a nerve with you, eh? Many here know me personally, and the rest who cared enough to read my posts over the years know I don't try to hide myself behind false pretenses and pretty much speak my mind. BadWebbers have been my friends and even neighbors for eight years running. I respect the opinions of these friends even when we differ and I enjoy a lively debate with reasonable people. Not sure why you took what I said so personally since I wasn't addressing you at all... to the woodshed with you!  Garryb... what do you think about your comrade Patches who calls me charlatan while hiding his own name?  | ||
| Aesquire |
OK, I'll bite, what industry is doing worse than when Bush left office. Garry, here. http://www.bls.gov/cps/cpsaat01.htm I forgot, it really doesn't matter how the country is doing. Funny that's how I feel when I catch the news on TV. We just need to bad rap and block anything Obama does. THAT'S a combination of truth and fancy. Certainly we, or at least I badmouth Barry. Something to do with his crimes ( F&F, the Benghazi coverup, Campaign money, Illegal use of the IRS in politics, etc. ) and what I perceive as his utter contempt for the rule of law, the citizens, and those who oppose him. To be fair, Obama and I share contempt for Congress. Don't really see Me blocking very much. The R's in Congress, bless their hearts, have delayed the complete end of the first 2 Amendments, but not very eloquently. It's not like they've blocked the illegal CR's, the insane Debt ceiling hikes, or actually did anything useful. But at least they might finish that dam/lock in KY someday. I'm sure that was worth all this.  Well, I guess I'm not appreciated here. Um no, I'm afraid you aren't. Me, I appreciate you. I welcome a different view. I know that the more fringe stuff just isn't true, no matter if it's the Communist Party praise for Obama, Or the doomsday evangelist take on Obama's birth. ( ok, sure Obama never has published a copy of his Birth certificate, but hey, no one can believe he's from Kenya, no matter what his publisher's bio says ) Here, if you're going for the best in lies, go to the source. http://www.cpusa.org/ Unless you find me a Muslim Brotherhood Radical Environmentalist site, this is as good as it gets. ( and I bet the MBRE site just cuts and pastes from the CPUSA anyway ) If you don't do ad hominem attacks, and actually respond to questions, you do get better results. If you just paste up opinion pieces without context, and refuse to dialog, ( as some do ) then, no. You won't be appreciated. | ||
| Aesquire |
And the weird part is that he is fighting for the middle class and trying to tax the rich. Well that's what he says. Do the facts support that? | ||
| Garryb |
Sorry Pwnzor, not connected to patches. I try not to let it get personal. Last post for a bit. Do you really think Cheney, Rove, Scooter Libby, etc or the new republican ethics as directed by the Kochs is better? | ||
| Pwnzor |
Sorry Pwnzor, not connected to patches. | ||
| Mtnmason |
"But at least they might finish that dam/lock in KY someday. I'm sure that was worth all this." Yeah, I barfed over that one too. It is case in point why the Old Guard NEEDS TO GO. EVERY DAMNED LAST ONE OF THEM. On a whole 'nother note. I have enjoyed lurking on this thread for quite some time. I have only posted a handful of random times. This is such a great source of info and its an absolute shame when Patches, et. al., show up with their nonsense. For everyone else with common views who also enjoy having this thread as an info source/rant outlet - can we not just ignore them? They bring nothing constructive and are unlikely to ever realize the errors in their logic. Or....better yet - pull out the BAN HAMMER  | ||
| Aesquire |
Do you really think Cheney, Rove, Scooter Libby, etc ............  I thought we covered that. But hey, let me rephrase that and ask the question myself. Hey! Guys! Anyone here like the Country Club Establishment Republicans????? Anyone? ( predicting crickets ) Fair is fair..... Anyone like the Progressive Country Club Establishment Democrats? | ||
| Fb1 |
Hey! Guys! Anyone here like the Country Club Establishment Republicans????? No, not a damn one of them. Despised Bush (both of them), and still do. We haven't had a truly American American president since Reagan (and we could sure use him again right now). Cruz for Pres would suit me fine. Or Palin. Or Lee. Or Paul. Or Bachmann. Or Gohmert. Or Love. Or Gowdy. Or ... Better yet, Allen West. Hopefully we've not heard the last from him. Like Kryptonite to Superman, he (and, to a lesser extent, Herman Cain) is to the left. Back to the Country Club Establishment Republicans: They suck. Hard. Damned difficult to tell them apart from the Dems. Damned shame, that. | ||
| Mtnmason |
"Better yet, Allen West. Hopefully we've not heard the last from him." Never met the man but might would take a bullet for him. The media absolutely trashed the guy. I too hope he has the resolve and willingness to move forward into a position of greater influence. He is the black man that America could have (should have, maybe will?) had as a respectable President. Not the POS we got stuck with. | ||
| Patches |
Here is your Tea Party. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0EO9b0ESas0 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dwmpg5c8mus | ||
| Reindog |
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| Aesquire |
No, Patches, that is YOUR Huffpost leftist propaganda against the Tea Party. When the very first line out of a commentators mouth is an outright lie, all I have to do is hop across the vid and get nothing else......... Mostly. There were a few misrepresented actual facts. I notice you don't respond well to facts and questions. Is that Alinsky training, or a childhood trauma? Either way you have my sympathy, since When the Revolution Comes, your kind is first up against the wall. Look at Egypt. While that was an Islamofascist takeover of a Revolution, the playbook is straight neo-Marxist. The Students & Idealists who want freedom are at the front of the lines, taking the Establishment wrath, and when the tide turns, the freedom lovers are murdered leaving the evil power hungry types in power. It's not a coincidence that the Islamofascists use the neo-Marxist tactics, since the tactics are the standard export of the old Soviet Union, along with AK-47s, old tanks quite effective at shooting up crowds of unarmed people, and neo-Marxist education, the finest means of stealing power and suppressing freedom the planet has yet seen. Also the #1 ideology for mass murdering the subjects of the Glorious Leaders. ( see Russia, China, Cambodia, N. Korea, Zimbabwe, etc. etc. ) Death and oppression to the tune of hundreds of millions murdered in the name of the Cult State. Gulags, Forced labor camps, Slavery. Funny thing is, you just KNOW that in living rooms across the planet, before the Killing Fields begin, folk are telling each other......."It can't happen here". | ||
| Aesquire |
https://www.billwhittle.com/afterburner/non-essent ial | ||
| Aesquire |
Let us not forget what is happening on the planet while Obama negotiates with Iran, but not Ted Cruz. ( Obviously we now know who Obama hates more ) http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2013/10/16/worl d/middleeast/syrian-refugee-crisis-photos.html?_r= 1& How many revolutions have this Administration supported? How many came out with freedom? Was it a matter of domestic political timing that kept Obama from supporting the rebels in Iran? Or something else? | ||
| Aesquire |
Thanks Fb1. A response to a question is welcome, and can be rare. Especially from those who use the dishonest tactics of the Alinskyites. ( not you, but some others ) Here's more news from "Drudge Retort" ( Red Meat for Yellow Dogs ) http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/bus iness-groups-stand-by-boehner-plot-against-tea-par ty/2013/10/17/ed951f0c-350a-11e3-be86-6aeaa439845b _story.html The ongoing battle between the "business as usual" Establishment Republicans and the Citizen oriented is just going to get more nasty and brutal. Myself, I hope Boehner has more reason to cry. And, as we all know, V Jarrett and Obama planned to screw the R's with this budget "deal". ( and, alas, kicked butt ) So naturally, the articles on how this is a delusion of the crazy R's is needed to discredit reality. http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/10/17/emerging-rig ht-wing-theme-obama-planned-shutdown-with-valerie- jarrett-as-trap-for-republicans/ And Republican threats to shut down the government dominated congressional coverage for weeks prior to the start of a new fiscal year on Oct. 1. With propaganda like this..... If this is all Patches ever reads, it's no wonder he's the poster boy for Useful Idiots. So, I suppose we get the next shut down in Feb. 2014. | ||
| Sifo |
No doubt that the establishment Republicans and establishment Democrats are both problems. The main difference between them is do you plan to be broke by Thursday or Friday. The Democrats have proven themselves to be 100% in lockstep. That's not a good thing. The fact that the Republicans are fractured is actually a good sign for the country. It's hard to change the establishment, but must be done if we are to become a great nation again. If you think it's painful to have this peaceful revolution, just wait to see what happens if it fails. History is full of examples of why we can't stay on our current trajectory. History is lacking of any examples where our current trajectory is sustainable. It's good to see an attempt at peaceful revolution IMO. | ||
| Fb1 |
Thanks for the Bill Whittle "Afterburner" piece. He has a way with words, doesn't he? Right on the frikkin' money, he is. It boggles my mind how anyone, particularly at this point of Dear Leader's reign, can still support the guy and his goal of transforming America into a third-world dictatorship. There can be no doubt in anyone's mind as to what this man is, and what he's trying to accomplish, and yet... ...and yet, millions of Americans are either too busy, or too blind, or too stupid to see what he's doing and still believe in him. Or, worse yet, millions of Americans actually SUPPORT his agenda, knowing full well it runs counter to the constitutional bedrock this country was built upon. It's this last possibility that astounds me. Is is "payback" for something? Do folks support this wannabe dictator because of a sense of revenge? I can't help but think so every time I hear the Lyin' King speak (which I try to keep to an absolute minimum - listening to him makes me want to puke). Same with Biden, Reid and Pelosi. They seem very angry about something. And they seemed filled with hate and self-loathing. And, perhaps, that's what drives 0bama's sycophants across America, the same sense of hatred and self-loathing. And, perhaps, this hatred is thus being directed at folks actually believe in the Constitution and Bill of Rights and the divine concept of Liberty. Folks like me, for example. Before 0bama was elected the first time around, I can forgive people for buying into his rhetoric. I was one of them, for the most part. Now, however, we know he's not what he proclaims to be. We know enough about his past, and certainly know enough about his present, to know he HATES America, and patriotic Americans. And yet, knowing this, millions of so-called patriotic Americans, still support the guy. Inexplicable. Open question to any 0bama fans reading this: Do you celebrate Independence Day? You know, do you get a paid day off? Do you have a BBQ, perhaps? Do you set off fireworks at dusk? Seriously, do you celebrate Independence Day? If so: Why? | ||
| Patches |
"No, Patches, that is YOUR Huffpost leftist propaganda against the Tea Party." I use Bing Search Engine. search- "congressional approval rating" 2,470,000 results, Not just the Huffington Post. "I notice you don't respond well to facts and questions. Is that Alinsky training, or a childhood trauma?" I put the Websites on here for You to See, still it doesn't help. Depending on the Website, According to the Congressional Approval Rating Polls 70 to 79 Percent of the American Public would Disagree with You. "Funny thing is, you just KNOW that in living rooms across the planet, before the Killing Fields begin, folk are telling each other......."It can't happen here"." Tape a one Hundred Dollar Bill to your forehead and walk through Detroit Michigan, it's already happen here. I do believe if the Republican Party had there way it would be Nation Wide by now. | ||
| Xdigitalx |
The thing about the Tea Party, (that I am not a member of) is that they speak about changing things that need to be changed, and that and they seem to be sincere with their goals. They announce it, and make results. At least they try to, they need to get tight. The other 2 are very similar in that they always seem to have many hidden agenda's. Democrats obviously with more most recently. Just my opinion when observing in a non-partisan way. I don't think the Tea Party or at least it's principles are going away anytime soon. | ||
| Ferris_von_bueller |
Then 70% of the population is just as clueless as you are. |
