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Sifo
Posted on Thursday, January 16, 2014 - 02:29 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)







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Oldog
Posted on Thursday, January 16, 2014 - 02:41 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

>> SHE' can do better, it is our duty to elect our first woman president....

With my tongue firmly in my cheek

F.U.

Hillary is not fit clean my dirty bath room floor

If a "semi honest" election puts that b***h in the wh,then perhaps it is time to RE-SET,

barry the clown prince of stupid
is certainly making use of his pen and phone,

Me I wish I could make use of MY 11 1/2.Redwing on some pants seats......

'14 is coming its our last chance to get it right as I see it...
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Hootowl
Posted on Thursday, January 16, 2014 - 03:11 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I feel for Hillary. Say what you want about her, she is a very capable person. While their politics may mesh very well, I rather suspect that she hates Obama as much as the rest of us, possibly more, albeit for different reasons. I think we'd be a lot better off right now if she had won the primary. Barry is simply in over his head. His ego and lack of real world experience converged to convince him that being president was going to be just as easy and consequence-free as all his other endeavors (getting stoned, skipping class, and convincing idiots that he's smarter than they are).

I think we'd be a lot better off, and on the right track again, if Mitt had won, but that train has sailed.

Republicans, please, please, please nominate someone with a shot at beating the Clinton machine. She's a vicious bitch.
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Reepicheep
Posted on Thursday, January 16, 2014 - 03:59 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I agree, Hillary would have been much better than Obama. Conservatives that single mindedly attacked her made things worse by clearing the field for Obama. They should have spent the effort conditioning a rational and savvy tea party candidate.

Where is a Winston Churchill when we need one?
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Hootowl
Posted on Thursday, January 16, 2014 - 04:25 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

"Where is a Winston Churchill when we need one?"

Obama, as one of his first acts as president, gave him back to England.

Sure would like that back.
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Oldog
Posted on Thursday, January 16, 2014 - 04:35 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I feel for Hillary. Say what you want about her, she is a very capable person.

Quite capable, "what difference does it make now", of obstructing, finger pointing, and lying..

My take she is smarter than bill, none the less, she was in charge of the state dept,

Lybia IS now and WAS then a problem spot, either her or a subordinate, made the decisions that left insufficient security for the compound in Benghazi which led to the raid IMO, ON HER WATCH I blame in part her for the deaths.

I also blame barry the clown prince of stupid for failing to send the calvary in time to save the rest of those folks. To busy getting ready for a fund raiser.

On a personal note about hitlery,
just after 9-11, Bush addressed a joint session of congress, she was the rep from NY, as he spoke she rolled her eyes and made faces ( caught on c-span )

the behavior was NOT appropriate for the venu and the time.

} Barry is simply in over his head. His ego and lack of real world experience converged to convince him that being president was going to be just as easy and consequence-free as all his other endeavors (getting stoned, skipping class, and convincing idiots that he's smarter than they are).

I agree with you in part, barry is also arrogant, and narcissistic. Having been raised in part by people that hated the country ( mother and father ) it shows, in his disrespect for the vets and military.

barry and hitlery crawled out of the same pit.

and as you can tell I have little use for either.. }
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Oldog
Posted on Thursday, January 16, 2014 - 04:39 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Obama, as one of his first acts as president, gave him back to England.

[ they wanted Winston back ? ]

We sure would like to have WC's bust back
for the WH,


We could have a statue of barry holding a ring and lamp for the white house lawn..........
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Hootowl
Posted on Thursday, January 16, 2014 - 05:17 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

"he spoke she rolled her eyes and made faces"

Yep. Read rules for radicals. It's her play book. She did her thesis on it. Her supporters ate it up though. That's why she's so effective.

Know that it's her play book, and you can see through her actions. She's sickeningly transparent, but she doesn't care. She knows that almost no one who votes for her will know, and the ones who do are so in bed with her politics that they won't hold being an iron clad deceitful bitch against her.


Still...I'd rather have her in office than Obama. She, at least sometimes, sees reason. Obama can't see past his own ego and his communist upbringing. There is no problem or challenge that he doesn't view through that lens.
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Cityxslicker
Posted on Thursday, January 16, 2014 - 07:34 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

just rolling through the youtuble last nite.
The president was likened to the anti-christ (I don't believe he is; just a doof that happens to believe his own hype and a broken brand of Marxism) but in anycase he was heckled in the clip - and he responded with his pat line - well I am not totally in charge....
but it sounded similar to a 'heckle' he got during his campaign at a completely different location.... and yep - I played them back to back - and damnit if it didn't sound like the same Heckler....

makes me think that the 'Heckler' is on paid staff.
and indeed - that would be something that the Obo would do - I would not put it past him one wit.
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Torquehd
Posted on Thursday, January 16, 2014 - 09:18 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

We could have a statue of barry holding a ring and lamp for the white house lawn..........

haha! Obama Lawn Jockey. It's funny!

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Kenm123t
Posted on Thursday, January 16, 2014 - 11:01 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

More like a gargoyle
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Aesquire
Posted on Friday, January 17, 2014 - 07:02 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

That is offensive.

Three people who have been accused of racism and been the accuser.
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Reindog
Posted on Friday, January 17, 2014 - 11:09 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Not funny AND offensive, Oldog and TorqueHd,

You can do better.

--Tom Reiner
Carlsbad, CA.
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Reindog
Posted on Friday, January 17, 2014 - 11:15 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

This is one of the effects of Socialist and Progressive/Liberal policies. Unfortunately, this will accelerate when the full provisions of Obamacare and the class warfare of income inequality take root.

For those who haven't done so, read "Atlas Shrugged" as this was all predicted in 1957. For example, the "Anti Dog Eat Dog Bill" which sounded so ludicrous then seems so plausible in the Obama administration.

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Reindog
Posted on Friday, January 17, 2014 - 11:28 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

For those not paying attention, this is America slipping into mediocrity and poverty thanks to the people who are incapable of logical thought and keep electing Socialists like Obama and Statists like Hillary.

YOU can do better. Think. Debate and think some more. We are here to engage in respectful debate. For example, garryb has some huge stones and is not afraid of contributing his ideas. Kudos to garryb who I respect.




This is the falling United States ranking under Wonderful.


There is a wealth of data at this site. Have fun and explore. Debate.

source: http://www.heritage.org/index/ranking
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Torquehd
Posted on Friday, January 17, 2014 - 11:29 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Homosexuality is offensive. Islam is offensive. The theory of evolution is offensive.

Do I cry to the town about them? No. I know what I believe, I know that others have different beliefs, and no amount of words or pictures are going to hurt my feelings, because I'm a Man, and not a naive child who believes the world is a kind, loving, nurturing place that wants to be my friend.
I know that if I want the world around me to be a certain way, I have to work my ass off to make it that way, and even then the world will never be how I want it to be. I believe that you should reap what you sow, but there's always loss in every equation. You can work your ass off and have nice things, but your life will never be this perfect place where you can be a baby sucking on your mom's teat again. That's called "life". It will kick you in the nuts, and you have to be man enough to get up, decide what you believe, and make something happen for yourself. Not wait around, unemployed, hoping the president will bring you a cup of hot cocoa, a free phone, a lifetime supply of food stamps, and give you a handjob while he's there.
Unfortunately, our President does not share that belief. He believes America should give out handjobs to those who are not willing to do anything (or the right thing) for themselves. And to those who break the laws of our land, and to those who have deliberately worked against American ideals.

He believes the lazy, the illegal, the enemies of America, should reap what you sow.
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Reindog
Posted on Friday, January 17, 2014 - 11:46 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Torquehd,

I agree with most of what you just posted but your arguments are lost when you post images of pResident Obama as a lawnboy. There is historical precedence where that icon is considered racist. You have lost your audience when you engage in that type of behavior.

I am angry too but try to limit the vile to the man's policies and beliefs. Obama is a human wrecking ball but race has zero, nada, zilch to do with his failings. I am actually proud of the resilience and the ability of the American People to elect a Black Man as President. We just elected the wrong man.
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Torquehd
Posted on Friday, January 17, 2014 - 01:16 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I could care less about whether our president was black, asian, native american, or latino. But since he is (kind of) black, yes, I will joke about his race. If he was Asian, I would recite his quotes switching the "r"s and "l"s. If he was second generation German, I would replace his "th's" with "z's". People are different. All of the men who I daily associate with, make fun of the stereotypical differences between different races of people. I myself am from a family of hillbillies (some would say, "white trash"), and I make fun of my own racial profile. It's life, it's funny, and it adds a little seasoning to our daily lives. I'm short and skinny, i drive a lifted longbed diesel pickup, and my friends make fun of me for that, just like I make fun of my friend who has no neck, and my friend from Miss'sippi who talks with a heavier redneck accent than I have. Or my friend who is half israeli - you think I don't lay the Jewish jokes on him? My previous team leader was half pakistani - so we poured all kinds of racial jokes on him. My other buddy is married to a black girl and his children are half black. And we all joke about race. Race is not some "holy grail" that's beyond touching.

Should we consider the statue of liberty somehow distasteful because she has the build of an anglo-saxon and is forced to stand in the cold, holding a torch above her head? It's not like the lawn jockey is half naked and receiving lashings. I can see where that would be distasteful and offensive. Holding a lantern, does that somehow make it bigotry? It's funny because the lawn jockey is a well known negro statue. For goodness sake, O is not even black! But I thought the joke about O replacing Lady Liberty with a statue of Aunt Jemima was funny too. It's humor, it's a joke, and everyone on the face of the earth can expect to be prodded and jested about.

(Message edited by torquehd on January 17, 2014)
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Sifo
Posted on Friday, January 17, 2014 - 01:25 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

If we had a President from Texas, would they make fun of his drawl and hat?

Torquehd, I fully understand where you are coming from on this, but the simple reality is that there is a huge double standard where this sort of thing just doesn't go over well for conservatives. No life isn't fair.
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Hootowl
Posted on Friday, January 17, 2014 - 01:34 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

We need to keep &^%$ing each other until we're all the same color. Problem solved.


There was a scifi book about that (don't remember the name). Every once in a long while, through some genetic mixing miracle, there was a pure black, or white, or whatever baby born. They became instant celebrities.
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Torquehd
Posted on Friday, January 17, 2014 - 02:04 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Haha. kind of. except that diversity is the spice of life. I don't want all my meat to taste like chicken, and every fruit to taste like an apple. The same can be said for politics, as my friend used to insist, "without a strong LEFT AND RIGHT wing, the eagle will spiral to the ground". Makes sense. Speaking of birds of prey, this is off topic, but B.A.



Just paint an American flag on the Falcon, and a communist sickle on the crows, and then we'll be talking.
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Reindog
Posted on Friday, January 17, 2014 - 02:16 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

All,
Thanks for contributing. Sifo explained what I was attempting to say a lot better than I did.

Our goal is to win and we will fail if we unwittingly cause the people we are debating with to close their eyes and ears due to inappropriate iconage. Life isn't fair and that is why we have to be better than the rest. ProgLiberalism is the path to anarchy and death but unfortunately the fact is that there are lot of Progressives and Liberals. Luckily for America, they are finally getting a taste of their own medicine that their philosophy leads to the destruction of the Middle Class.

The Badwebbers who subscribe to ProgLiberalism are willing to listen to us.
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Reindog
Posted on Friday, January 17, 2014 - 02:57 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

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Hootowl
Posted on Friday, January 17, 2014 - 03:15 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Five bucks says the first bomb goes off within 5 years.
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Aesquire
Posted on Friday, January 17, 2014 - 04:38 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

No bet. Iran has been "5 years away" from a nuke for 20+years.

Torque... when you WILL be accused of racism by the folk that wrote the jim crow laws for pointing out that Obama lies, then using a racist toon means no one will care what you say. You lose the argument even if you are factually and morally correct.

Fair? No. But real.
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Aesquire
Posted on Friday, January 17, 2014 - 05:35 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Please understand. I am not offended.

The lawn jockey is intended to evoke feelings of nostalgia for the old days when a plantation owner could return from a days fox hunt and hand the reins over to a well dressed slave. Both a display of wealth and position. Later ironic and parody was the selling point......... and now it is widely considered in bad taste.

Now if it was Bill or Hill as the lawn jockey in front of Obama's house.......... it would be ironically funny. You would still get crap for being racist..... from obamaniacs...but i would laugh.
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Oldog
Posted on Friday, January 17, 2014 - 06:25 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Three people who have been accused of racism and been the accuser.

????

I have never worn a sheet (over my head) burnt a cross on some ones lawn, etc...

I have friends and neighbors who are black

Rein sorry you were offended,

It came to me as a counter to Churchhill's bust.

i dislike obama for many many reasons, race is not one.

but I will MOCK HIM any time i get the chance, and I found it amusing

the figures are a hold over from the days of horses for wrapping the reins to "park" the horses,

other than ornamentation, they are a hold over from from that time and basically useless like the pResident....
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Reindog
Posted on Friday, January 17, 2014 - 06:44 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Actually, I am personally not offended but it can AND will be used as a weapon of offense to shut your arguments down. That is not the goal of this thread.
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Xdigitalx
Posted on Friday, January 17, 2014 - 08:03 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I still think he gonna have a nervous breakdown before his term is up. I mean... has anyone really given him the tough questions yet??

I do not like him or his administration and its' policies, you can not like him for whatever reasons you see fit.
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Aesquire
Posted on Friday, January 17, 2014 - 09:00 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Three people......

Bill Clinton, accused of racism by the Obama Campaign and "right wing talk show hosts" who remark that Bill's political mentor was a racist against the Civil Rights Act.

Hillary Rodham, accused of racism by the Obama Campaign.

Barry Dunham, Who became an apostate by converting to a church of Black Urban Liberation Theology, and who was, I'm sure, discriminated against when going to prep school in Hawaii, and as a small child in Indonesia where he was the "crazy white women's son".

All accused of racism, all have shown that the charges have some merit, all are not classical racists, but all have used race as a tool, and Barry uses hate and racism constantly as part of the Alinsky Method training.

Ironic that Hillary is actually has a far better understanding of the Alinsky Way, and a better understanding of the Communism Barry just fakes his way through. ( Her Thesis is available online. At least until the next election )

....will be used as a weapon of offense to shut your arguments down

Yes exactly my point.

the figures are a hold over from the days of horses for wrapping the reins to "park" the horses,

other than ornamentation, they are a hold over from from that time and basically useless like the pResident....


Yep. The ornamental aspect is, as I say, one of nostalgia, and later parody.


Torquehd,

First, and correct me if I'm wrong, the following are things YOU are offended about?

Homosexuality is offensive.

Public PDA'a between men are squick to me, otoh, between girls is a bit of a turn on. I admit I'm a perv. What consenting adults do in privacy is none of my damn business. I fail to see offense, but you can have your own opinion.

Islam is offensive.

Wow, that's got so much and varied real world and metaphor aspects it's amazing. Big thumbs up, and no argument.

The theory of evolution is offensive.

This I don't get. Darwin's theory is outdated, incomplete, and "evolution as a theory" is changing, "evolving" so much as we start to understand more about genetics, that I'm not even sure what you mean by "the theory of evolution".

Are you offended by Newton's theory of Gravity? ( I've cursed it a bunch of times, but have not been offended. A victim of it, yes. )

Full disclosure, my neck gets pretty darn red each spring, then freckles and lightly tans, like leather. Most of my genes are from the pale blue northern peoples, and the dash of Hispanic ( that gave me black hair when I was younger ) and the sprinkle of American Aboriginal, ( Blackfoot ) apparently have nothing to do with my skin. Possibly my weakness for alcohol, but I blame the Irish. Skinny, however, I am not.

The black hair may have been from the Celts. I've never had that analyzed.

I mean... has anyone really given him the tough questions yet??

Not his whole life, as far as I know. There may have been a few in prep school. After he went to college? Hardest question was probably "where can I score some weed?".

That's being unfair, I admit. There HAD to have been some tough questions asked to establish the largest money laundering scheme in the history of the planet, Obama.com.

But from the press?
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