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Reepicheep
Posted on Friday, October 18, 2013 - 10:35 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Interesting theory.

Oracle has two elements of their authentication solution... the Oracle Access Manager (OAM), and the Oracle Identity Manager (OIM).

It can work if you are careful, and fail spectacularly if you aren't. You for sure don't want to use it "out of the box" for something like the exchange websites.
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Reindog
Posted on Friday, October 18, 2013 - 11:03 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

"If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animated contest of freedom, go from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen!" –Samuel Adams, speech to the State House in Philadelphia, 1776





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Sifo
Posted on Friday, October 18, 2013 - 12:58 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I think we need Al Gore to explain the national debt...



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Fb1
Posted on Friday, October 18, 2013 - 01:05 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Reindog, thanks for the Founders' quote. Brave, brilliant men, they. Sadly, there are but few descendants of theirs guarding our liberty today; we are surrounded and suffocated by the Lyin' King and his minions.

Liberty. I cherish it more each day, as it slowly slips from my hands...
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Torquehd
Posted on Friday, October 18, 2013 - 01:10 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

". . . me and all my federal co-workers a nice paid vacation - at your expense"

Don't worry. While you're twittling your thumbs, Americans are still fighting and dying in Afghanistan to protect folks like you from the real and present Islamic radicalism, regardless of your arrogance.

I'm glad they had the sense not to threaten our paychecks this go-round. Yes I was in this sh!thole country for the last government shutdown as well. If my patriotism makes me a delusional inbred redneck, i'll wear the title as proudly as I wear the Flag on my shoulder.
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Sifo
Posted on Friday, October 18, 2013 - 01:50 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

And it official! $17 trillion in debt!

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/oct/18/us -debt-jumps-400-billion-tops-17-trillion-first-t/

The chart really does look like what Al Gore is explaining.
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Sifo
Posted on Friday, October 18, 2013 - 01:57 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

BTW, that's enough money to buy an EBR 1190RS for every single man woman and child in the US as still have enough left over to pay for most of an EBR 1190RX for those same people. Let that sink in just a bit.
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Fb1
Posted on Friday, October 18, 2013 - 02:02 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Torque, thanks for your service. My son is presently over there right now, too. Honor: Fewer and fewer Americans, particularly those we elect to (allegedly) serve us, seem to know the meaning of the word anymore.

Reindog, I've posted this up before, but not on this thread. It really doesn't belong here, but perhaps a lurking liberal will stop down and read these words, and ponder how we - the United States of America - really got here. Then, perhaps, they will look at our current "leaders" in a new light.

Perhaps.



quote:

MR. PRESIDENT: No man thinks more highly than I do of the patriotism, as well as abilities, of the very worthy gentlemen who have just addressed the House. But different men often see the same subject in different lights; and, therefore, I hope it will not be thought disrespectful to those gentlemen if, entertaining as I do, opinions of a character very opposite to theirs, I shall speak forth my sentiments freely, and without reserve. This is no time for ceremony. The question before the House is one of awful moment to this country. For my own part, I consider it as nothing less than a question of freedom or slavery; and in proportion to the magnitude of the subject ought to be the freedom of the debate. It is only in this way that we can hope to arrive at truth, and fulfil the great responsibility which we hold to God and our country. Should I keep back my opinions at such a time, through fear of giving offence, I should consider myself as guilty of treason towards my country, and of an act of disloyalty toward the majesty of heaven, which I revere above all earthly kings.

Mr. President, it is natural to man to indulge in the illusions of hope. We are apt to shut our eyes against a painful truth, and listen to the song of that siren till she transforms us into beasts. Is this the part of wise men, engaged in a great and arduous struggle for liberty? Are we disposed to be of the number of those who, having eyes, see not, and, having ears, hear not, the things which so nearly concern their temporal salvation? For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth; to know the worst, and to provide for it.

I have but one lamp by which my feet are guided; and that is the lamp of experience. I know of no way of judging of the future but by the past. And judging by the past, I wish to know what there has been in the conduct of the British ministry for the last ten years, to justify those hopes with which gentlemen have been pleased to solace themselves, and the House? Is it that insidious smile with which our petition has been lately received? Trust it not, sir; it will prove a snare to your feet. Suffer not yourselves to be betrayed with a kiss. Ask yourselves how this gracious reception of our petition comports with these war-like preparations which cover our waters and darken our land. Are fleets and armies necessary to a work of love and reconciliation? Have we shown ourselves so unwilling to be reconciled, that force must be called in to win back our love? Let us not deceive ourselves, sir. These are the implements of war and subjugation; the last arguments to which kings resort. I ask, gentlemen, sir, what means this martial array, if its purpose be not to force us to submission? Can gentlemen assign any other possible motive for it? Has Great Britain any enemy, in this quarter of the world, to call for all this accumulation of navies and armies? No, sir, she has none. They are meant for us; they can be meant for no other. They are sent over to bind and rivet upon us those chains which the British ministry have been so long forging. And what have we to oppose to them? Shall we try argument? Sir, we have been trying that for the last ten years. Have we anything new to offer upon the subject? Nothing. We have held the subject up in every light of which it is capable; but it has been all in vain. Shall we resort to entreaty and humble supplication? What terms shall we find which have not been already exhausted? Let us not, I beseech you, sir, deceive ourselves. Sir, we have done everything that could be done, to avert the storm which is now coming on. We have petitioned; we have remonstrated; we have supplicated; we have prostrated ourselves before the throne, and have implored its interposition to arrest the tyrannical hands of the ministry and Parliament. Our petitions have been slighted; our remonstrances have produced additional violence and insult; our supplications have been disregarded; and we have been spurned, with contempt, from the foot of the throne. In vain, after these things, may we indulge the fond hope of peace and reconciliation. There is no longer any room for hope. If we wish to be free˛ if we mean to preserve inviolate those inestimable privileges for which we have been so long contending˛if we mean not basely to abandon the noble struggle in which we have been so long engaged, and which we have pledged ourselves never to abandon until the glorious object of our contest shall be obtained, we must fight! I repeat it, sir, we must fight! An appeal to arms and to the God of Hosts is all that is left us!

They tell us, sir, that we are weak; unable to cope with so formidable an adversary. But when shall we be stronger? Will it be the next week, or the next year? Will it be when we are totally disarmed, and when a British guard shall be stationed in every house? Shall we gather strength by irresolution and inaction? Shall we acquire the means of effectual resistance, by lying supinely on our backs, and hugging the delusive phantom of hope, until our enemies shall have bound us hand and foot? Sir, we are not weak if we make a proper use of those means which the God of nature hath placed in our power. Three millions of people, armed in the holy cause of liberty, and in such a country as that which we possess, are invincible by any force which our enemy can send against us. Besides, sir, we shall not fight our battles alone. There is a just God who presides over the destinies of nations; and who will raise up friends to fight our battles for us. The battle, sir, is not to the strong alone; it is to the vigilant, the active, the brave. Besides, sir, we have no election. If we were base enough to desire it, it is now too late to retire from the contest. There is no retreat but in submission and slavery! Our chains are forged! Their clanking may be heard on the plains of Boston! The war is inevitable˛and let it come! I repeat it, sir, let it come.

It is in vain, sir, to extenuate the matter. Gentlemen may cry, Peace, Peace˛but there is no peace. The war is actually begun! The next gale that sweeps from the north will bring to our ears the clash of resounding arms! Our brethren are already in the field! Why stand we here idle? What is it that gentlemen wish? What would they have? Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!

Patrick Henry
St. John;s Church
Richmond, Virginia
March 23rd, 1775


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Reindog
Posted on Friday, October 18, 2013 - 02:13 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The War on Poverty is approaching 40 years old and all we have to show for it is more poor people who believe it is their birthright and of their progeny, to be perpetually dependent on Uncle Sugar.

I believe in charity and the so-called safety net for the truly indigent, but this zombie army of moochers is now a political force threatening our Republic. We are headed for insolvency and left leaderless with do nothing Democrats and RINOs and a whining, no-negotiating mendacious president who some claim, possesses "integrity".

Ya know, Ted Cruz IS starting to look Presidential. Ronald Reagan was villified on the national level and remained in the desert for sixteen years before he became the greatest President of the Twentieth Century.
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Patches
Posted on Friday, October 18, 2013 - 02:59 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Is this the American Dream?

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-10-18/families- with-kids-go-homeless-as-u-s-rents-exceed-pay-econ omy.html
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Chauly
Posted on Friday, October 18, 2013 - 03:00 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

"March 23rd, 1775"

And four weeks later, "If they mean to have a war, let it begin here!" April 19, 1775
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Reindog
Posted on Friday, October 18, 2013 - 06:09 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Patches, the following is from the source you cited:
“The biggest driver now of increase in family homelessness is the labor market,” Calabria said in an e-mail. “The most effective thing we can do is create jobs, which federal programs don’t have a good record at.”

Regaining independence can be difficult, said Freeland, who has found her lack of a higher education poses a barrier.

“The higher-paying jobs are sometimes unattainable” without a college degree, said Freeland.
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1) Obama is destroying full-time jobs with his wonderful ACA.
2) The Illegal Immigration Amnesty Bill is going to make it worse for this person as the illegals take more jobs.
3) She lives in Washington, DC, which is one of the highest rents in the nation. She needs to move.
4) Without an education, then she has hurt herself. Big time. She needs schooling and there are programs for that.
5) She needs to work 2-3 jobs, even if they are all minimum wage.

Bloating the government will only serve to create more people like her.
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Patches
Posted on Friday, October 18, 2013 - 07:26 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Reindog are you such an Elitist that you believe Everyone else should only Live to Serve You?

"ACA"? Affordable Care Act is so Everyone can have access to Affordable Health Care.
The Tea Party(Tea Baggers) and Republicans got there wish on the Debt Deal where they still get there Health Care Free.

It is Big Business and the Elitist that want the Immigration Amnesty for Illegals to keep Living Wages Down.

Minimum Wage is not a Living Wage not even close, and Working 2-3 jobs to not even Scrape By is not "Living"!

As for Higher Education in todays Labor Market it is pretty much Useless.
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Reindog
Posted on Friday, October 18, 2013 - 07:47 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Am I an Elitist or am I a delusional inbred redneck? Why do you and Paul_regan insist on hurling epithets at people you disagree with?

I am fervently a supporter of equal opportunity for Americans. This does not mean that everyone succeeds and it usually means that Hard Work is involved, which is typically avoided when one can get Free Stuff.

I worked sixty to eighty hours a week for two years at my engineering company while simultaneously going to graduate school full-time to get my Masters in Electrical Engineering. I worked my way up from being a truck loader. I am a party poodle so if I can do it, almost anyone can. Engineers don't get paid overtime, don't get a pension, usually work long hours and love it. I am sharing my tale of success as a point of reference.

I have friends who are working 6-7 days a week for over ten years now so that they can satisfy their customers. They are not rich and will not get rich from doing this but they do not complain. They double down and work harder when the going gets tough. Again, they don't want a Red Badge of Courage, but they despise it when Liberals create a system to involuntarily suck there labor and give it to the undeserving in exchange for votes.

The Illegal Immigrant Amnesty Bill is supported by Liberal Democrats to get power and by corporations to get money. Either way, that poor woman is a loser because of the people who are selling out America.

Reason for Edit: Grammar Police.

(Message edited by reindog on October 18, 2013)
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Sifo
Posted on Friday, October 18, 2013 - 07:55 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Patches,

Reindog are you such an Elitist that you believe Everyone else should only Live to Serve You?

How do you get that from what he posted. I gather that they should serve themselves, not Reindog. Can you expand on that?

"ACA"? Affordable Care Act is so Everyone can have access to Affordable Health Care.

Are you aware that it does very little to that end? Some will gain access to insurance (very different from care BTW), but the cost is going up for almost everybody. Those who couldn't afford it before, are likely to still not be able to afford it.

The Tea Party(Tea Baggers) and Republicans got there wish on the Debt Deal where they still get there Health Care Free.

It's the Dems who fought to exempt government from the ACA. The Tea Party was pushing to put Congress on the ACA plan with the rest of America. You seem very confused here.

It is Big Business and the Elitist that want the Immigration Amnesty for Illegals to keep Living Wages Down.

On this point I agree. Do we agree that it's the Dems who are making this happen for Big Business? It's in the headlines of today that this is the next agenda for pResident POS.

Minimum Wage is not a Living Wage not even close, and Working 2-3 jobs to not even Scrape By is not "Living"!

You do what you have to though. Minimum wage isn't supposed to be a career job. If it is, you've screwed up. See above about serving yourself. That includes your family. Of course, working 2-3 part time jobs is becoming the new normal. This is on the Dems watch. The Repukes have had very little input in what has happened in the past 5 years. The ACA is costing even more jobs and turning full time work into part time work for many more. These are facts.

As for Higher Education in todays Labor Market it is pretty much Useless.

Welcome to BO's economy.
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Patches
Posted on Friday, October 18, 2013 - 08:43 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

"It's the Dems who fought to exempt government from the ACA."

Oh-shit Ted Cruz is a Democrat? He read the Dr. Seuss book “Green Eggs and Ham,” before Congress trying to “filibuster” against Obamacare. Grade AA+ Nutjob!!
http://www.latimes.com/opinion/opinion-la/la-ol-te d-cruz-dr-seuss-20130927,0,7198689.story

http://news.msn.com/us/fools-errand-or-heroic-stan d-gop-on-cruz-lee?ocid=ansnews11
Rafael Edward "Ted" Cruz (born December 22, 1970)[1] is the junior United States Senator for the state of Texas since 2013, and is a member of the Republican Party. -wikipedia
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Sifo
Posted on Friday, October 18, 2013 - 09:03 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

And Ted Cruz didn't do anything to exempt government from the ACA. He wanted to dump it for all. It's the Dems who fought to exempt government from the ACA. It's a shame you can't see the folly in telling the people they have to live with a law that the law makers exempt themselves from.
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Sifo
Posted on Friday, October 18, 2013 - 09:29 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Patches,

Please read... http://thehill.com/blogs/congress-blog/healthcare/ 325201-no-congressional-obamacare-exemptions
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Pwnzor
Posted on Saturday, October 19, 2013 - 07:41 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

As a convicted felon with very little education supporting a family of five plus two ravenous dogs, I can tell you the idea that anybody doesn't have the same opportunities I have is utter bullshit.

I have an enormous house in a beautiful neighborhood, a highly customized motorcycle, my wife and son drive brand new 2013 cars and I take the whole family out to an expensive meal at least once a week. I belong to three different wine clubs and I enjoy the best whiskeys in the world. I have several remote controlled cars some of which are worth thousands of dollars. I put extra money away every week.

All of this on my income. Nobody else in this house has a job, but they do their part.

I spent 2007 in prison, and look at me now. Opportunity is there for those whose desire it.

Minimum wage is not meant to be a living wage. It is a stepping stone to something better.

Examine any part of my life if you need proof that a person can pick themselves up from any low point to which they may have fallen.

I am sick to death of all the people in this country who believe they are entitled to anything other than what they have earned themselves.

Get the fk out if you don't like it. And take your president with you because he sure as shit does not represent me.
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Xdigitalx
Posted on Saturday, October 19, 2013 - 08:32 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

If Romney had been elected...
1. We would know everything there is to know about Benghazi
2. Obamacare would be stopped/changed, and/or written to make it better for everyone. (etc etc).
3. Economy would be recovering faster or possibly recovered by now)

Geeze...what else?


I think the next two years are really gonna suk.
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Sifo
Posted on Saturday, October 19, 2013 - 08:44 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

If Romney had been elected most people wouldn't even know the word Benghazi. This only came about as a result of pResident POS attacking them and overthrowing their country, then trying to pretend that everything was stable.

Also Fast and Furious would just be a semi-watchable movie.
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Sifo
Posted on Saturday, October 19, 2013 - 09:14 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

How many 1190RS bikes would you have bought with your $53,748?



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Patches
Posted on Saturday, October 19, 2013 - 09:56 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

When John McCain lost the Presidential Election to Barack Obama the Republican Leaders Vowed to block the Obama Presidency from Ever Changing Any Previous Administration Policies for the Better of the Citizens of The United States of America. The Republican Leaders repeated this Vow again when Mitt Romney lost. The Look on Mitt Romney's Privileged Aristocratic Elitist face that night is Priceless! Still the Republican Leaders Do Nothing for the Good of the People or Constitution of the United States of America.
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Sifo
Posted on Saturday, October 19, 2013 - 10:00 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Patches, Did you read what I asked you to? Thoughts?
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Patches
Posted on Saturday, October 19, 2013 - 10:00 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

An individual health insurance mandate and an insurance exchange was also enacted at the state level in Massachusetts: In 2006, Republican Governor Mitt Romney signed an insurance expansion bill with strong bipartisan support, including that of Senator Ted Kennedy. Romney's successful implementation of the 'Health Connector' exchange and individual mandate in Massachusetts was at first lauded by Republicans. During Romney's 2008 presidential campaign, Senator Jim DeMint praised Romney's ability to "take some good conservative ideas, like private health insurance, and apply them to the need to have everyone insured." Romney himself said of the individual mandate: "I'm proud of what we've done. If Massachusetts succeeds in implementing it, then that will be the model for the nation."

In 2007, a year after the Massachusetts reform, Republican Senator Bob Bennett and Democratic Senator Ron Wyden introduced the Healthy Americans Act, which also featured an individual mandate and state-based regulated insurance markets called "State Health Help Agencies". The bill attracted bipartisan support but died in committee; however, many of the sponsors and co-sponsors remained in Congress during the 2008 healthcare debate.

Given the history of bipartisan support for an individual mandate and regulated insurance markets with subsidies as well as their perceived success in Massachusetts, by 2008 Democrats were considering using this approach as the basis for comprehensive, national healthcare reform. Experts have pointed out that the legislation that eventually emerged from Congress in 2009 and 2010 bears many similarities to the 2007 bill and that it was deliberately patterned after Romney's state healthcare plan. Jonathan Gruber, a key architect of the Massachusetts reform who advised the Clinton and Obama presidential campaigns on their healthcare proposals, served as a technical consultant to the Obama administration and helped Congress draft the ACA. -Wikipedia
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Sifo
Posted on Saturday, October 19, 2013 - 10:08 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Experts have pointed out that the legislation that eventually emerged from Congress in 2009 and 2010 bears many similarities to the 2007 bill and that it was deliberately patterned after Romney's state healthcare plan. Jonathan Gruber, a key architect of the Massachusetts reform who advised the Clinton and Obama presidential campaigns on their healthcare proposals, served as a technical consultant to the Obama administration and helped Congress draft the ACA. -Wikipedia

This has many similarities to a bicycle.





A bicycle works though. The ACA is failing faster than just about anybody predicted.
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Pwnzor
Posted on Saturday, October 19, 2013 - 10:31 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Anybody who sits back waiting for the government to give them stuff is a fkng 455h01e and needs to leave this country immediately. You are the same as the people who climbed up on your rooftops and begged for help when you had 5 days notice that Katrina was coming.

Get up off your fat lazy asses and do something for yourselves.

Or go die from starvation.

Either/or.

GTFO. NOW. Shoot me a PM and I will buy your 1 way ticket with my extra money that I earned with my hard work.
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Xdigitalx
Posted on Saturday, October 19, 2013 - 10:35 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I also think, if Romney won,... there would be a lot more bipartisanship in congress. He is a businessman and knows how to negotiate, he is also compassionate. The hole republican party including Tea Party are 20x more compassionate then the Democrats... Look at the way they speak to the American people about fellow Americans in congress>> Suicide Bomers? Kidnappers? Terrorists? Anarchist's? I hope this is not forgotten.

Things would be definitely be better if Romney won the election. Mostly because there would be a more even playing field. We wouldn't see any crossing your arms, stomping your foot and whining like some 4 yr olds who doesn't get their way. Which seemed to have worked for Obama, Reid and Pelosi and Company!! (this time)


Anyone see the briefing from Press secretary James Carney yesterday?
http://www.bloomberg.com/video/white-house-news-br iefing-with-jay-carney-Sk3g2b7OTeWAxJTybq_1xg.html
(FF to 56 min)

(Message edited by xdigitalx on October 19, 2013)
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Sifo
Posted on Saturday, October 19, 2013 - 11:06 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Just drive by comments? Unwilling to have an actual conversation? Did you read what I asked you to? Thoughts?

One of the big differences between what was done in MA and the ACA, is that MA only affected a single state. Why is that important? Each state has it's own regulations on insurance. You need to understand current regulations to know what will work and what won't work. The ACA cast a wide net over a wide variety of different groups of regulations. It could in theory be workable in some theoretical state, but not all. It is dependent on it working in all states though. That's a huge problem right there.

One of the great things about what MA did, is that other states can look at the success/failure and decide if it's right for them as a state. When you look at Romenycare, you find it was supposed to do two things. Provide universal coverage and control costs. It certainly failed to control costs. It wasn't exactly a success at universal coverage either. They did manage to cover more, but certainly not all. Most of the "gains" were among people who got free insurance. It does prove that giving away free shit is popular. Overall, Romneycare wasn't really a resounding success. Neither side was going to point that out during the last election though. Lessons from the Fall of RomneyCare

One huge difference though... Bad economic consequences from a decision in MA will largely be softened by the strength of the surrounding states economies. No state is going to have that luxury this time around. There are many other differences, far too many to discuss in depth with someone who doesn't seem to be into dialog. Thanks for the drive by though.
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Patches
Posted on Saturday, October 19, 2013 - 11:47 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Matthew Anthony... You really NEED to change Your Username on this website to "Poser" (Someone who acts like someone there not, but not realizing that there being fake, basically a loser trying to fit in. - Urban Dictionary) it would be much more fitting.
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