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     Fb1 |
Back to Benghazi. This is 0bama being interviewed by Univision on Sept 20, nine days after the attack on Benghazi. No surprise: He says the attack was a result of the video. Oops: http://youtu.be/b4rtIu0SRzI Not optimal. | ||
| Sifo |
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| Sifo |
So at what point do we take a traditional military punishment in hand for treason? Treason: The betrayal of one's own country by waging war against it or by consciously or purposely acting to aid its enemies. There is little doubt that lying to protect the identities of those who committed a terrorist attack against us is beyond any question aiding our enemies. Any military personnel who does this during a time of conflict can certainly be subject to the severest of penalties. As CIC the President should be held to this same legal standard. With this latest info that is coming out, there is little question that the WH knew who was responsible for this act of terror, yet for weeks, flat out lied about it, protecting those responsible. Am I making too much of this? | ||
| Hootowl |
He isn't lying to protect the terrorists, he's lying to cover his own arse. A terrorist attack in a country he helped turn to an Islamic theocracy weeks before an election would tarnish his foreign policy record. Can't have that now, can we? | ||
| Sifo |
Motive doesn't matter when you commit a crime. | ||
| Al_lighton |
I rarely, if ever, get involved in political or religious threads on Badweb....I'm generally a conservative (but not a Republican) and have strong beliefs, but expressing them on a motorcycle board is just bad business, so I generally refrain. However, something Goldtooth's post and the responses afterward prompt me to post this. There is a BUNCH of money sitting on the sidelines out there that is NOT being spent now, because spending that money under BO and his anti-small business policies (Obama-care being the largest, but certainly not the only) would potentially throw that money away. If/when R&R win, that money will be spent almost immediately. There will be a NOTICEABLE jump up in the economy when that occurs. I believe a jump-start like that will have an even larger long term positive effect on the economy. FOR EXAMPLE, Reggie, the owner of one of the machine shops that I use, has been slowly expanding and has essentially outgrown the building he is in. He's a good businessman and a very hard worker. He needs more space, and he needs to hire more people, based on his current and predicted work load. He is ready to enter a lease for double the square footage that he already has, but he told me that he will only pull that trigger if BO is not re-elected. He said that the business uncertainties, and the certainty that Obama-care won't be repealed in a BO 2nd term, would prevent him from growing his business, and that lease would be an anchor if he couldn't. I have strong suspicions that Reggie's situation is occurring all across the country. Elect R&R and I believe that there will be an almost immediate positive response in the economy. Jobs, real estate, GDP, will ALL bump up. Elect BO and it will not occur. | ||
| Hootowl |
Some speculate that the 2008 crash was party triggered by the certainty that Obama would win the nomination and the election. Businesses saw the writing on the wall and started hoarding cash. This is a man who campaigned on increasing energy prices and income redistribution. Is it any wonder the economy is in the crapper? | ||
| Chauly |
Al, I applaud your courage.  | ||
| Cityxslicker |
I can confirm that the Health Care market is in the exact same holding pattern. It is the Supreme Court Decision apprehension all over again. (Although that one really eludes me, if you read the bill - you knew it was a tax from the beginning- and I have been calling it as much for a long time; that and nothing short of a Communist infiltration but that is another thread) Every call that I have had in the last year for an interview has been, 'Well - lets see what the election holds'..... If it werent for the overseas consulting I do - I would be sunk. And the consulting that I do overseas is a direct result of DME and Pharma companies LEAVING America, off shoring development, expanding manufacturing and markets in foreign arenas and skirting the legislation while the loopholes exist. I hope for Thanksgiving, this turkey is cooked and done. | ||
| Fb1 |
Al, I applaud your courage. +1 | ||
| Moxnix |
I, too, am sitting at the corner of walk and don't walk. BO wins, the technical development can be done here, BUT the manufacturing will likely be in one tame Western country and in an Asian stable spot where machine work for the aviation trades can meet a standard. Too bad, holding one's breath before committing is something we didn't do for 40 years after WW2. Obbie. He's a road block, not a road map, for American ingenuity. | ||
| Xdigitalx |
Jan 08 was good for me, had a great job, I quit smoking, could afford a new bike (my Uly) but when Obama got elected,.. I think many business's thought like Reggie, including mine. Well, my employer (vehicle manufacturing) laid me off around 03/01/09 and 3 months later my car got repo'd, then I finally tried unemployment and was able to collect for 2 years  Then I finally got lucky just 3 weeks after my unemployment ran out... and have been under_employed ever since. (only avg 30 hrs a week) Another 4 years of Obama may get some people in poverty up a few steps... and feel better about the government paying their way... but he will pay for it by taking a few more notches out of the "American Dream" for many others. If he gets elected again...I expect to get laid off again. (Message edited by xdigitalx on October 24, 2012) | ||
| Reindog |
What Al said is just plain common horse sense. Unfortunately, there are Americans and Badwebbers who simply can not see the obvious. Way to go, Al! | ||
| Macbuell |
Go look at the balance sheet of any profitable public company and you will see a ton of cash sitting there. This is double true for banks that have decided it is too risky to lend money at the current interest rates. In other words, the low return of those loans doesn't justify the perceived risks on their part. Tons and Tons of cash just sitting on the sidelines waiting for something to inspire people to start investing again whether it is the business owner looking to expand or the banker looking to make a loan to a small business owner or an individual looking to do something. I just refinanced my house and it took 6 months. 6 months and I have a FICA score just south of 800. That's absurd. | ||
| Wolfridgerider |
I just refinanced my house and it took 6 months. 6 months and I have a FICA score just south of 800. That's absurd I'm glad I'm not alone... started the refi process in June and just got it done a few weeks ago. My wife and I both have over 800 FICO scores and zero debit other than our mortgage. What a pain! | ||
| Macbuell |
Huge pain. You'd think I was getting vetted for President. Actually, I think this process was more extensive than the vetting Obama got from the media. It's not like he had associations with known radicals and extremists. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
Last count there is upwards of $18T in capital sitting on the sidelines by both corporations and individuals. The rate of return available in the marketplace doesn't justify the risk of losing part or all of the principal. Add to that the fact that the tax rate for 2013 is a complete unknown, and nobody is doing anything but keeping everything liquid. Wait to see $18T rush back into the market 2013 and 2014 after Romney is elected. This is the component Obama and crew just can't seem to understand. | ||
| Aesquire |
http://www.buzzfeed.com/andrewkaczynski/obama-says -to-look-at-videotape-for-his-flip-flo A guy can grow and change. I'll give him benefit of the doubt on a couple of those... Or it could just be that he forgot which lies he told which group. What I noticed was that the economy went downhill in some interesting incremental steps. ( just check the S&P500 chart, or pick your own yardstick ) When the D's took over after the R's in Congress got voted out for spending too much. When Obama got Nominated, those who actually skimmed his autobiography, instead of carrying it around as a talisman,( like Clinton's oversize Bible ) said Merde! and started getting ready for a rocky ride. After all, he told us he was going to make energy much more expensive, and his campaign was, from the beginning, classic envy and hatred. Anyone who actually looks at history ( as opposed to what they teach in public school today ) knew that pattern of power from hate didn't lead to prosperity. ( unless you were favored by the One, and Donated to keep his favor. See Willy Messerschmitt for a prime example ) The passage Of Obamacare, where everyone who hired an expert to read the 3000+ pages that Congress did not, found that taxes were going to spike, and fines would be massive. Lots of companies are right now changing full time workers to part time to avoid fines. That sucks for all involved. The upcoming defense cuts, prompting layoffs in the hundreds of thousands. Lockheed alone is talking 138,000 layoffs, ( and this administration asked them to break the law about telling their own employees about it, offering to pay the legal fees.... ) and there is a huge cascade effect from that. Little companies all over America actually MAKE all the parts that go into a Destroyer, or Fighter jet, or Helicopter. No bucks, no Buck Rogers. I've worked for a few of these companies. I don't know if $18T is going to rush into the market next January if Romney wins. I DO know that it won't if Obama does, and I Bet that Obama will try to tax it. And it will disappear when that happens. Then there's the North African Caliphate In Progress, the "flexibility" to reduce resistance to the New Russian Empire, and the certainty that Iran intends to shut off the oil flow from the Gulf, unless they get to be the big Frog in the region. Grapes of Wrath? That's ongoing. Gone With The Wind? roaring down the track. | ||
| Sifo |
I don't know if $18T is going to rush into the market next January if Romney wins. I DO know that it won't if Obama does, and I Bet that Obama will try to tax it. And it will disappear when that happens. I think it's still going to be a big unknown for employers. If BO gets in they know where they stand and the cash will NOT rush into the markets. If R&R get in then it's an unknown. Will Obamacare be repealed? Will they just grant an exemption for the other 49 states? (NV already got an exemption) Will it be replaced with something else? Business just doesn't like these unknowns. After things begin to shake out the cash will start to flow though. It's not going to happen overnight. Al is right that it's dangerous for a business owner to take political stances. The fact that he still felt compelled to speak out, to me, give great weight to what he says. As for me, I've got parts to order tomorrow, and I know where I'll be calling because of his dedication to his business, not because of what he says politically. I'm not surprised that such a great business is run by someone with a conservative mindset. | ||
| Cityxslicker |
This : http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/10/undec ided-walmart-moms-in-florida-give-win-to-obama/ and Honey boo-boo the ride ain't over yet.... unfortunately. | ||
| Fb1 |
Source, and read more: http://www.humanevents.com/2012/10/23/faith-in-oba ma-faith-in-the-state/ | ||
| Oldog |
Well the early voting has started and low and behold lookie here! http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/10/24/north-c arolina-early-voters-for-romney-said-machine-gave- tally-to-obama/ i wonder how many times this will be missed... | ||
| Reepicheep |
Anyone else disturbed by the now released "off the record" transcript between Obama and the newspaper editors? As I read it, they asked him if he had any regrets about pushing Obamacare over focusing on the economy. His response was basically along the lines of saying it didn't matter because he could not have gotten any more stimulus money out of the Republicans. Is he really that stupid? Does he really think the only way to help the economy was to throw away my kids future economic freedom by spending money we don't have? What about deregulation? What about tax reform? What about using the bully pulpit? The list goes on and on... The less scripted Obama is, the more scary it gets. | ||
| Sifo |
What about just not passing the single piece of legislation that has caused business to be uncertain of the cost of employing people for the next few years. I really don't think he does understand what business owners have to consider. In short, YES, he is that stupid. | ||
| Glitch |
I was just talking to Irwin Helford (Google him) and he said pretty much exactly what Al just said. | ||
| Reindog |
Court, who appears to be MIA, has been saying the same thing for a long time. | ||
| Wolfridgerider |
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| Reepicheep |
Or how about intervening in GM and making it clear that the government will &*&^ the bondholders (in violation of rule of law) in order to protect the very union pensions that are what guarantees GM can never be competitive? Might that have a chilling effect on economic recovery? It pretty much &*&^%^& GM's recovery. | ||
| Teeps |
Well I just heard that Colon[sic] Powell is endorsing the President; that's good enough for me... | ||
| Sifo |
It pretty much &*&^%^& GM's recovery. Every new vehicle we have purchased has been a GM, largely due to the fact that we get a nice GM discount. The last one we bought was a 2011 Ford. The discount was nice, but I wont sell some things so cheaply. |
