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| Sifo |
It's difficult to imagine anyone who understands the actions of Islam in history making this statement. At least not anyone who is being intellectually honest.  | ||
| Torquehd |
You can say anything you want when you change the definition of words. I don't think he was talking about the kind of Peace that only God can give a man. He was talking about the muslim definition of peace, which happens when people don't defend themselves against the qran's murderous, apocalyptic teachings. The only way to be at peace with islam is to join or go belly-up and let them rape your family. That'll draw some hate from some of you guys who believe that peaceful islam exists. Sorry, but any peaceful muslim is either only surrounded by muslims, or not obeying the commandments of the qran. | ||
| Aesquire |
https://pjmedia.com/trending/2016/02/08/dhs-ordere d-employee-to-scrub-records-of-muslims-with-terror -ties/ Torquehd, yes, there are many peaceful Muslims. And, like the Christians that don't kill me for eating shrimp, don't obey their Holy Book. There can be no reform of Islam. That's in the Book too. It can still happen, but it will be very bloody. Of course, the reform of Christianity didn't go all that smoothly either. So Either Islam leaves the 8th century or it will drag us all back to it... or be an outlawed faith. That didn't work all that well for the Soviets. | ||
| Hootowl |
"And, like the Christians that don't kill me for eating shrimp, don't obey their Holy Book." Where in the new testament does it say you can't eat shrimp? | ||
| Aesquire |
Old Testament. Christ didn't say the old book was void. He said you should love one another and God. If I'm wrong please correct me. Yes, in modern terms he was a back to basics and don't sweat the small stuff reformer. But the last supper wasn't bacon cheese burger & lobsters either. My point, which I bet you got, is that you have little to fear from the pastor down the street calling his flock to burn you alive while they rape your family to death in front of you for even major sins. That is not the case in a growing area of the planet. ( and it is not Christians or Jews or Wiccans that are to blame ) | ||
| Aesquire |
If you want frank and respectful discussion on religion, I'm happy to have one on another thread. You will find no respect for most religion in the actions of our Taqiya president. (Message edited by aesquire on February 09, 2016) | ||
| Hootowl |
"If I'm wrong please correct me" We've discussed this before. Not the whole book. Parts though. Like, what you put in your mouth does not make you evil, what comes out of it does. Christians tend to ignore the parts of the old testament that Jesus said not to worry about. | ||
| Hootowl |
I did get your point. But you shouldn't use Christians as an example of people who ignore their holy book. Their holy book doesn't say they can't eat shrimp. Or that they should kill people who do. | ||
| Aesquire |
https://en.m.wi a.org/wiki/Food_and_drink_prohibitions https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-anthropological- reason-Jews-do-not-eat-shellfish I was under the impression that the Red Sea algae was the root of Judaic prohibition, but could be wrong. In any case, if it offends you to point out that modern Christians don't execute people for Old Testament rules...... including several of the Ten commandments, I suppose I'd better find a better example. Any suggestions? The burning of witches is pretty rare today. And is based on a translation error, possibly deliberate, in the King James version. ( which I bet you a six pack of your favorite soft drink or beer/ale Obama has never read. Not that he'd be honest about it. ) There is a prohibition on sorcery, and thus sorcerers, but the "never suffer a poisoner to live" line is the most quoted. I ask, humbly, since while a history buff I am not a biblical scholar, did Christ cancel any of the old rules? I was under the impression he more changed the emphasis of faith to root concepts that were violated by the commercial aspects of the Temple. The Koran, otoh is the inviolate word of Allah as revealed to the Final Prophet, the M dude. There can be no newer prophets. No further revelation. And in that spirit and the word of the Law, non-Muslims must be killed, tolerated as slaves and taxed, or convert to second class status. Period. No argument allowed. I've discussed Taqiya before. Either Obama is apostate or practices Taqiya. | ||
| Hootowl |
"if it offends you to point out that modern Christians don't execute people for Old Testament rules" That's not what you said. You said "And, like the Christians that don't kill me for eating shrimp, don't obey their Holy Book" A Christian's holy book is the Bible, and the new testament overrides certain things in the old. Therefore a Christian, fully following his or her faith and teachings, would not kill you for eating shrimp because their holy book does not command them to do so. In fact, I can think of no place in the new testament where Christians are admonished to mete out punishment to sinners. Quite the opposite, in fact. | ||
| Aesquire |
"..... what comes out of it does." Totally agree. And I've never heard of Jews bombing Red Lobster restaurants in the last century either. No Zoroastrian has threatened me for eating a cheese burger. Most food laws in religion have a scientific or traditional basis. Zoroastrian rules say don't eat cow since a cow saved their founder, so is pure tradition. Roman Catholic rules against meat on Friday.... now cancelled and obsolete, are pure tradition by the church leaders. ( I do wonder if those souls sent to eternal punishment for breaking that rule got a reduction after the rule change or not because of the will and intent clause. But that's almost certainly Jesuit lawyer teaching, & absolutely doesn't apply to non Catholics  ) | ||
| Aesquire |
Hoot, thanks. I don't know the New Testament rule change part so please inform me sometime. I'd like to read it. Not arguing, confessing my ignorance. Can you give me a better way to say "modern religious folk aren't likely to torture me to death for breaking thousand year old rules"???? Zoroastrian examples are too obscure for most people, & I'm no expert on them either. Ditto with Druids or Shinto. I'd prefer not to use the Jews as an example, even though they are a very good one, of folk that have harsh rules but don't tend to impose them on others and are tolerant of other faiths. Yes, the Old Testament would be the rules Jesus lived under and in some cases preached against. ( and I thought mostly his ire was directed at the commercialization of the church and the corruption that fed ) No offence meant and please excuse and correct my ignorance. | ||
| Pwnzor |
The Holy Bible, in all it's versions, is a book of lessons for us to learn from. Everything is in there if you know how to read. No matter how many times I've read it, there is something new to me every time... some new angle or meaning that I did not grok before. The general message is the same every time, though. Love one another, as we love ourselves. God helps those who help themselves. Jesus wants us to turn the other cheek. God doesn't want us to bend over for tyrants. These are truly the end times. I may not see The Rapture in my lifetime, but I believe my children will meet Christ in the air. Rev 9:6 And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them. | ||
| Torquehd |
For a long time, I too wondered why we disregard a lot of old testament law. One of the most eye-opening sermons I've ever heard was when my preacher did a sermon on the New Covenant. It's all straight out of the bible, I can't believe I didn't see it for all these years. Speaking of bible. How does one claim to be a Christian, then criticize the bible, then praise the virtues of islam, then quote the bible when it suits your purposes while talking about immigration? Speaking of immigration, how many muslims have been injected into the US under his administration? Taqiya? I think so. | ||
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| Aesquire |
http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2016-02-13/e urope-s-convinced-u-s-won-t-solve-its-problems For years European intellectual types have wanted the U.S. more like them. A socialist democratic state with no interest in interference in Europe. They got that in the Barry regime. Oops. Turns out the Cold War isn't over. The Hope and Change regime is more communist than Russia, and despite talking tough, in Obama Taqiya form it's been lies and bluster. A regime at war to support Sharia at home and abroad wasn't expected either, with Barry's Wars flooding Europe with military age Men from the war zones and refugees demanding high speed internet and the imposition of their culture on the natives. Like demanding Oktoberfest be alcohol free in accordance with the Will Of The Prophet. | ||
| Torquehd |
A socialist democratic state... It sure didn't start with the cold war. Operation Paperclip. "we" did it to ourselves. As for sharia coming to "the west"... when the old testament Israelites turned their back on God, God brought in a heathen army from a heathen nation worse than themselves to beat them back into obedience... time and time again. I can't prove that that's what islam is, but it's what I believe. The nations who became the new Israel through the New Covenant (ingrafted branches), who are now giving God the middle finger, are getting a little taste of Old Testament discipline. | ||
| Aesquire |
Didn't start with the Cold War. Correct. Woodrow Wilson. The marxist movement is over a century old now and holds the world record for misery. Amazing in a history full of Mongols, Vikings, Huns, Sons of the Prophet, and thousands of years of the barbarians of the steppes rolling in waves on civilization. Leftists are number one with a bullet to the back. Obama's heritage and childhood training is Dar el Islam. His choice from college is marxist revolution and lies. | ||
| Aesquire |
That's from Obama's biographies. In his own words..... or actually his communist anarchist ghost writer's. ( Bill Ayers ) His books were best sellers. Did anyone but me and Glenn Beck read them? I know Rush and most of the other pundits didn't. The few literate on the left that may have, chose to keep quiet about it. Lies = leftist. Btw. In a radio interview in 2001, Ayers said his only regret was not killing more pigs. ( police, than he already had ) Barack's support for dishonest anti police groups is natural with his friends. | ||
| Court |
I think Barack was enrolled in college but seldom "attended". In reading his own words, in his books, he spent most his time in a drug induced stupor. I am on the curriculum development board for one of the schools at Columbia and there is a damn good reason they do not release his transcripts. It amazes me what the people of this great country have come to tolerate. | ||
| Blake |
"It amazes me what the people of this great country have come to tolerate." I'm constantly being newly amazed, see Trump's popularity as a candidate for the presidency. See Hillary still campaigning after all her lawlessness and catastrophic record as Secretary of State. I've concluded that entertainment, self-indulgent pleasure seeking, and preoccupation with social media have become the true opiate of the people. Too many people willing to let the federal govt handle most everything. Too many others think that finding the middle ground is the way to go. It is the death of liberty. My life is not worth stealing from others to sustain it. But that is the covetous mindset that has been sold by those seeking power. We need a serious moral revival or as America's founders warned, this exceptional Republic founded upon the idea that men are endowed innately by our creator with certain unalienable rights, this govt of the people, by the people, and for the people shall perish from the face of the earth. | ||
| Blake |
College records for presidential candidates ought be public domain. Make it so. Most professionals are compelled to provide their college record(s) to prospective employers, but not a candidate for president? We had Bush's. We can't even get a valid birth certificate for Obama. Unbelievable! Not that it matters concerning his eligibility. Just amazing that we cannot get it. | ||
| Tod662 |
U.S. Senator Elizabeth Warren: "The sudden death of Justice Scalia creates an immediate vacancy on the most important court in the United States. Senator McConnell is right that the American people should have a voice in the selection of the next Supreme Court justice. In fact, they did — when President Obama won the 2012 election by five million votes. Article II Section 2 of the Constitution says the President of the United States nominates justices to the Supreme Court, with the advice and consent of the Senate. I can't find a clause that says "...except when there's a year left in the term of a Democratic President." Senate Republicans took an oath just like Senate Democrats did. Abandoning the duties they swore to uphold would threaten both the Constitution and our democracy itself. It would also prove that all the Republican talk about loving the Constitution is just that — empty talk." | ||
| Hootowl |
Republicans don't respect the constitution but conservatives do. | ||
| Sifo |
BO can feel free to nominate who he wishes for the Supreme Court opening. I seriously hope that the Republicans have the spine to Bork him. I wonder if Tod knows what that means? | ||
| Aesquire |
Hoot, given my question any thought? It's obvious the Party leaders don't respect the Constitution or the people. Neither does Obama. The Supreme court appointment will, and should be, fiercely contested. |
