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     Reepicheep |
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/10/navy- replaces-admiral-leading-mideast-strike-group-beca use-of-ongoing-investigation/ How long before the rest of the media can't ignore this anymore? | ||
| Oldog |
More on the stand down order.. http://www.humanevents.com/2012/10/26/benghazi-end game-cia-told-to-stand-down-instead-of-helping-ame ricans-under-fire/ NIXON RESIGNED FOR LESS} | ||
| Sifo |
Tyrone Woods was painting a target with a ground laser designator (GLD). Those are only used when the air asset is overhead, ready to fire. I've been wondering about this detail since I first heard about him painting them with the laser. Why expose yourself like that unless you are quite sure someone is around to target what you are painting. I sure does seem like he was expecting help to be on the way. Actually it implies that he thought help was there right then. It would do no good to paint them before the help arrives. This is one more question that needs answers. Why did a trained combat vet expose his position like that? | ||
| Fb1 |
Because he KNEW what was supposed to happen next: A fiery death would rain down from the sky onto the mortar emplacement. He was a Navy SEAL, one of the baddest fighting machines in the world, a guy who knew with certainty that help was at hand. He KNEW what would happen next. And somebody, somewhere, gave the order - THREE TIMES - to stand down. We left him on the beach to die. And blamed it all on a video. Tyrone Woods showed courage, honor and valor in the face of mortal danger. Too bad our CiC knows nothing of these virtues. Tyrone Woods is a hero. Tyrone Woods' actions that night *might* yet save America. RIP.  | ||
| Sifo |
To top things off, they are now talking about delaying the release of the October jobs data until after the election! http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2012/10/29/labor-de partment-may-delay-jobs-report/ So were weren't supposed to realize that the September data was seriously flawed with an unnamed state not even reporting data. Now they are just going to hide the latest data. The "transparency" is blinding! | ||
| Fb1 |
BTW: All the feeds of the attack on Benghazi, all six to eight hours' worth, still exist. All the audio, visual and comm from that night and on through to the following morning, still exists. I assume the good guys are busy securing, or have already secured, this intel. And I assume the bad guys are doing their best to hide it. Everyone in the military swears allegiance to the Constitution, against all enemies foreign AND domestic. We'll learn the truth. I just hope we learn it in time... | ||
| Sifo |
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| Cityxslicker |
You have an intell community and cadre of special operators that you have betrayed, ignored, and left underseige An ambassodor's blood on your responsibility And a Secret Service that was painted with controversy (which is hearsay at best) Mr President your days are numbered and marked. November 7 th could not come soon enough. and may every Czar of his fall in the wake. | ||
| Fb1 |
'Slicker, at this point my biggest worry is what happens between November 7th and January 21st... | ||
| Sifo |
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| Wolfridgerider |
Just think how low the troop morale must be. Being sent in harms way and the WH doesn't have your back.... | ||
| Cityxslicker |
we may get to see it, Mother Nature is providing a little 'excuse' for FEMA- let's see what they do in the after math. Should be an interesting ride. | ||
| Hootowl |
Maybe GD is right, and the government IS controlling the weather. This 'perfect storm' is conveniently just in time to disrupt the election that will unseat Obama. That's it, I'm retreating to my basement and donning my tin foil hat.  | ||
| Oldog |
Everyone in the military swears allegiance to the Constitution, against all enemies foreign AND domestic. I wonder if he could be impeached at this point, for TREASON }TREASON The betrayal of one's own country by waging war against it or by consciously or purposely acting to aid its enemies. The Treason Clause traces its roots back to an English statute enacted during the reign of Edward III (1327–1377). This statute prohibited levying war against the king, adhering to his enemies, or contemplating his death. Although this law defined treason to include disloyal and subversive thoughts, it effectively circumscribed the crime as it existed under the Common Law. During the thirteenth century, the crime of treason encompassed virtually every act contrary to the king's will and became a political tool of the Crown. Building on the tradition begun by Edward III, the Founding Fathers carefully delineated the crime of treason in Article III of the U.S. Constitution, narrowly defining its elements and setting forth stringent evidentiary requirements. Under Article III, Section 3, of the Constitution, any person who levies war against the United States or adheres to its enemies by giving them Aid and Comfort has committed treason within the meaning of the Constitution. The term aid and comfort refers to any act that manifests a betrayal of allegiance to the United States, such as furnishing enemies with arms, troops, transportation, shelter, or classified information. If a subversive act has any tendency to weaken the power of the United States to attack or resist its enemies, aid and comfort has been given. The Treason Clause applies only to disloyal acts committed during times of war. Acts of dis-loyalty during peacetime are not considered treasonous under the Constitution. Nor do acts of Espionage committed on behalf of an ally constitute treason. For example, julius and ethel rosenberg were convicted of espionage, in 1951, for helping the Soviet Union steal atomic secrets from the United States during World War II. The Rosenbergs were not tried for treason because the United States and the Soviet Union were allies during World War II. Under Article III a person can levy war against the United States without the use of arms, weapons, or military equipment. Persons who play only a peripheral role in a conspiracy to levy war are still considered traitors under the Constitution if an armed rebellion against the United States results. After the U.S. Civil War, for example, all Confederate soldiers were vulnerable to charges of treason, regardless of their role in the secession or insurrection of the Southern states. No treason charges were filed against these soldiers, however, because President Andrew Johnson issued a universal Amnesty. The crime of treason requires a traitorous intent. If a person unwittingly or unintentionally gives aid and comfort to an enemy of the United States during wartime, treason has not occurred. Similarly, a person who pursues a course of action that is intended to benefit the United States but mistakenly helps an enemy is not guilty of treason. Inadvertent disloyalty is never punishable as treason, no matter how much damage the United States suffers. As in any other criminal trial in the United States, a defendant charged with treason is presumed innocent until proved guilty Beyond a Reasonable Doubt. Treason may be proved by a voluntary confession in open court or by evidence that the defendant committed an Overt Act of treason. Each overt act must be witnessed by at least two people, or a conviction for treason will not stand. By requiring this type of direct evidence, the Constitution minimizes the danger of convicting an innocent person and forestalls the possibility of partisan witch-hunts waged by a single adversary. Unexpressed seditious thoughts do not constitute treason, even if those thoughts contemplate a bloody revolution or coup. Nor does the public expression of subversive opinions, including vehement criticism of the government and its policies, constitute treason. The First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution guarantees the right of all Americans to advocate the violent overthrow of their government unless such advocacy is directed toward inciting imminent lawless action and is likely to produce it (Brandenburg v. Ohio, 395 U.S. 444, 89 S. Ct. 1827, 23 L. Ed. 2d 430 [1969]). On the other hand, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that the distribution of leaflets protesting the draft during World War I was not constitutionally protected speech (schenck v. united states, 249 U.S. 47, 39 S. Ct. 247, 63 L. Ed. 470 [1919]). Because treason involves the betrayal of allegiance to the United States, a person need not be a U.S. citizen to commit treason under the Constitution. Persons who owe temporary allegiance to the United States can commit treason. Aliens who are domiciliaries of the United States, for example, can commit traitorous acts during the period of their domicile. A subversive act does not need to occur on U.S. soil to be punishable as treason. For example, Mildred Gillars, a U.S. citizen who became known as Axis Sally, was convicted of treason for broadcasting demoralizing propaganda to Allied forces in Europe from a Nazi radio station in Germany during World War II. Treason is punishable by death. If a death sentence is not imposed, defendants face a minimum penalty of five years in prison and a $10,000 fine (18 U.S.C.A. § 2381). A person who is convicted of treason may not hold federal office at any time thereafter. The English common law required defendants to forfeit all of their property, real and personal, upon conviction for treason. In some cases, the British Crown confiscated the property of immediate family members as well. The common law also precluded convicted traitors from bequeathing their property through a will. Relatives were presumed to be tainted by the blood of the traitor and were not permitted to inherit from him. Article III of the U.S. Constitution outlaws such "corruption of the blood" and limits the penalty of Forfeiture to "the life of the person attainted." Under this provision relatives cannot be made to forfeit their property or inheritance for crimes committed by traitorous family members.} | ||
| Jima4media |
It looks like President O will be in the same job for the next four years. That is all.... | ||
| Sifo |
Golfer? | ||
| Macbuell |
LOL. Are you going to come back on here on Wednesday if you are wrong? | ||
| Macbuell |
Oh, and don't believe the polls. They are all assuming a voter turnout for the Dems similar to what happened in 2008 ... which was unusually high. Actually Democratic voter turnout should be much lower and if that is the case, all those states where Obama has a slight lead in those polls quickly become losers for Obama. | ||
| Jima4media |
Denial is also a river in Egypt. (Message edited by jima4media on November 05, 2012) | ||
| Macbuell |
It's not denial. It's the truth. Go read about it yourself. Most every Polling model is using some D+7, heck the CNN Poll used D+11. There is no way the Dems have an eleven point advantage in voter turnout. If anyone is in Denial, it probably is you. | ||
| Wolfridgerider |
"The Redskins Rule" Way to to Carolina Panthers!! | ||
| Reepicheep |
Thank you MacBuell... I knew about the bias built into the polls, but didn't know what the "D+x" notation meant. Makes perfect sense now. Its a fair question. Did Obama bring a new generation permenantly into the political process? Meaning D+8 is the right new model? Or was there just a generation fooled by a niave message of "hope and change" that were sucked in by a great speaking empty suit and a sympathetic media? If the latter, they will either be pissed that they were fooled and this is the start of their transition from a liberal to a conservative (my story) or they will just be disenchanted and cynical, which makes them less likely to get out and vote. Just he fact that the polls have an 8% spread in what they are assuming will be the bump should tell you everything about how unreliable they are... they can't all be right, so most are wrong, no matter what you believe. | ||
| Macbuell |
Obama got a huge turnout in 2008 from young adults (18-25). This age group typically has a horrible turnout. Many of those same young people that voted for Obama four years ago are unemployed and I think he will be very hard pressed to repeat the numbers he did in 2008 with that group. And, even beyond the young votes, his own base is far less enthusiastic as they were 4 years ago. They might not vote for Romney but they might just sit home which would be very bad for Obama. I really do not understand how the pollsters can support Polling models that have those really high D+ numbers. Tomorrow is really going to be interesting. Some Romney people think that he will win Pennsylvania, Ohio and Wisconsin in addition to Florida, NC and Virginia. If that all happens, which even I find hard to believe (I think he can win Ohio and Wisconsin but Penn would be a huge surprise) it will be a blow-out. | ||
| Wolfridgerider |
The ABC news station in Columbus Ohio just did a piece on Benghazi..... they wait til the night before the election??? better late than never I guess... | ||
| Moxnix |
President Zero, from his first day in office until his last, even if it's another 4 years away. Good at living large, good at having us live as small as possible. Revanchist, revengist, ridiculous. If I awaken Wednesday morning to news that he will be returning to Hawaii after his successor's inauguration, I'll see one "woe to us" leaving and a new "woe" being sworn in in his stead. Barry, you were just a putz from the get go. So long and thanks for nuthin'. | ||
| Reindog |
Badweb goes down for almost a week and the first thing we get to see is Armstrong's pretty face? How long have you been lurking here, Jim? | ||
| Cityxslicker |
Just got called a bigot because I quoted directly from the Health Care bill to a woman that was voting with her 'lady parts'.... Apparently the brain gets a pass on being included in the encompassing 'lady parts' collective. but since the bill's text is public, and irrefutable - yes, I must be a bigot for pointing out her misconception of the bill; by source, page, line and addendum. tommorrow will be very scary for America- Holloween comes late this year. | ||
| Garryb |
Hi Jim! | ||
| Jima4media |
Hi Garry, Hi Tom I've been lurking around here since 2002. Never say much any more, because what is the point? No one is going to change any ones mind one way or another. Tomorrow people will see how their belief system lines up with reality. Tom, wasn't it you who told me to follow Nate Silver while we are at Laguna Seca? It is all about science and statistics. How about those Giants tho? How many people saw that coming? (Message edited by jima4media on November 06, 2012) | ||
| Reindog |
I gotta disagree with you, Jim. Polite and thoughtful political discourse is how change occurs, albeit sometimes at a glacial pace. This thread is a repository of factual as well as reasoned thinking. Left leaning people have unfortunately voted to not participate here except for the occasional snide snippet. I would have enjoyed a reasoned defense of President Obama here but it appears that none exists. The Badweb Conservative debating squad consistently tramples the opposition whose only defense consists of juvenile emotional outbursts peppered with hit and run tactics. You are correct. We will find out tomorrow unless 2000 repeats itself. Anyway, it is good to see you here. |
