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Kyrocket
Posted on Tuesday, September 18, 2012 - 11:53 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Yeah, I know. The t.v. was on from the local news from earlier and I was getting dressed when I heard the "cat. five storm" and my ears perked up. I usually change it over at 7:00 to another local channel which starts at that time.
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Aussie2126
Posted on Tuesday, September 18, 2012 - 12:59 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

http://taxfoundation.org/article/states-vary-widel y-number-tax-filers-no-income-tax-liability

From the tax foundation - not exactly a liberal bastion.

Looks like the largest percentage of "looters and moochers" are from the "red" states.
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Sifo
Posted on Tuesday, September 18, 2012 - 01:18 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Looks like the largest percentage of "looters and moochers" are from the "red" states.

More than anything else, that has to do with local cost of living and local salaries. If anything, it points out one more reason to keep as much government as you can local.
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Hootowl
Posted on Tuesday, September 18, 2012 - 01:25 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Not having a federal tax liability doesn't necessarily make you a moocher. Those statistics come from tax returns, I.E, they likely have jobs.

The majority of welfare recipients, the true moochers, are in California, a very blue state.
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Sifo
Posted on Tuesday, September 18, 2012 - 01:46 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Biggest welfare state... California! http://www.cnbc.com/id/31910310/The_Biggest_US_Wel fare_States?slide=16

Lots of other very blue states high on the list too.
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Fb1
Posted on Tuesday, September 18, 2012 - 01:57 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)



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Aussie2126
Posted on Tuesday, September 18, 2012 - 04:48 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

"Not having a federal tax liability doesn't necessarily make you a moocher. Those statistics come from tax returns, I.E, they likely have jobs."



No, it has to do with the number of people living in poverty in those states - many that DON"T have a job, some that do but make so little in those "right to work for less states", and collect the Earned Income Credit (you have to file a return to get that).

Many that have no income file a return to get the check.}

Those republican states have a higher percentage of $0 federal income tax people than even the "socialist state" of California.

Looters and moochers indeed!}
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Roderick
Posted on Tuesday, September 18, 2012 - 05:57 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

If there is any entity in the US that deserves the full strength of contempt, of scorn, and of reform, it is the American press.

Not the politicians.

The press have been charged by your Founding Fathers via the US Constitution to be the watchdog of the government, and by that mission, they are to serve the people.

Vital to the survival of a functional democracy is the tolerance to diverse opinions, which includes distortions, misleads, and even outright lies, from politicians as proponents of ideas to ordinary citizens as supporters of those ideas.

An independent press implies a professional seeker of truth, not a professional proponent/supporter of an opinion. Trust implies vulnerability and being vulnerable implies the need for protection in those areas of weaknesses. If the people, out of necessity, cannot afford to seek out the truth for themselves, placed their trust upon the few who proclaimed themselves to be such seekers, the only thing professional journalists should be intolerant of is: their own biases.

It is unrealistic to expect professional journalists to completely exorcise human biases from their selves, but it is entirely reasonable to demand that they report only the facts that politicians and their supporters often tries to suppress and let those who trusts them in that quest make up their own minds based upon learning of those facts.

When Romney declared that nearly half of Americans do not pay Federal income tax, is that a fact that Romney and his supporters tried to suppress? Or mislead? Or distort? Or is it an outright lie?

Why is the potential that a politician may have lied about an important issue less important than the potential that his declaration may have a negative effect on his campaign for an office that is still uncertain of achievement?

This one example of misplaced priority, in a long list of misplaced priorities, came from the tolerance for personal biases and its inevitability of injecting those personal biases into their reporting.

Immigrants from dictatorships remembers their fear of the police and contempt for journalists. Both are agents of and for the state. For people who lived and died in dictatorships, that fear and contempt is as natural as the laws of nature, in other words, they are not optional if one is to survive.

You Americans are not so shackled. For the press, may be it is time you develop and express the same level of contempt as that of those who lived and died in dictatorships for your professional journalists for what they are doing: agents of and for the state, or at least for a politician.

Their contempt for their journalists affected no change because their journalists have the support of the state. Yours can for yours because your journalists depends on you to survive as the professionals they claimed to be.
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Geedee
Posted on Tuesday, September 18, 2012 - 11:07 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

"Kyrocket: MSNBC? What a frikkin' leftwing rag, toilet paper with a pretty pattern embossed on it the whole lot of them, nothing but a shill for the chosen one, corrupt to their core, not worthy of being called serious journalists."

It's those Brzezinskis again Fb1, the better looking one .

Mika Emilie Leonia Brzezinski, co-host of MSNBC's weekday morning program Morning Joe, the daughter of Polish-born foreign policy expert and former National Security Advisor Zbigniew Brzezinski.
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Geedee
Posted on Tuesday, September 18, 2012 - 11:26 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

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Fb1
Posted on Wednesday, September 19, 2012 - 05:15 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Mika Emilie Leonia Brzezinski, co-host of MSNBC's weekday morning program Morning Joe, the daughter of Polish-born foreign policy expert and former National Security Advisor Zbigniew Brzezinski.

Gary, I don't watch TV; we don't even have one. I didn't know of the connection; thanks.


quote:

Treat the Press as Enemy Collaborators
By Erick Erickson, Sep 17. 2012

“So how do you feel about your new position with Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz (D-FL)?” asked Media Bistro of Jonathan Allen. “Certainly excited. I’m happy to go to work for someone who inspires me and who I admire. I’m hopeful I can advance the Democratic Party’s goals and obviously, the congresswoman’s goals,” Jonathan Allen replied.

Jonathan Allen is now the Politico’s senior Washington correspondent.



Source, and read more: http://www.redstate.com/2012/09/17/treat-the-press -as-enemy-collaborators/


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Fb1
Posted on Wednesday, September 19, 2012 - 05:23 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

This probably doesn't mean anything, either:


quote:

DOJ Colludes with MMfA [Media Matters] to Spin Fast & Furious
By Mary Chastain, Sep 18, 2012

Matthew Boyle at The Daily Caller published 69 pages of emails between Media Matters for America and Department of Justice spokeswoman Tracy Schmaler about Operation Fast and Furious.

Fast and Furious was a government-run gun walking scheme that put over 2,000 guns into the hands of Mexican drug cartels. The guns are linked to the deaths of Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry and 300+ Mexican citizens. Thousands are still missing.

These emails prove coordination between MMfA and the DOJ to spin stories. The DOJ was using MMfA as their own personal publicist and MMfA was spreading false information. To make it worse, MMfA is a tax exempt company that is backed by George Soros.


Source and read more: http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/09/18 /Media-Matters-and-DOJ-Worked-Together-To-Spin-Fas t-Furious-Stories




The Department of Justice (say, wasn't their boss just recently held in contempt of Congress?) colluding with the media on how to spin the Fast & Furious scandal?

Shocking.

Not.
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Roderick
Posted on Wednesday, September 19, 2012 - 05:30 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

...colluding with the media on how to spin...?
The 'big money' and/or 'special interests' arguments are distractions. It is your free press that will bring down your American civilization.
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Fb1
Posted on Wednesday, September 19, 2012 - 06:23 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

It is your free press that will bring down your American civilization.

How do you propose we prevent this?
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Pwnzor
Posted on Wednesday, September 19, 2012 - 08:05 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Let the Extortioner catch all that he hath;
and let the strangers spoil his labor.
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Fb1
Posted on Wednesday, September 19, 2012 - 09:15 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Bill Whittle seems a little extra-testy of late:

quote:

MUST WATCH Trifecta: The End Of America As We Know It
Posted by The Right Scoop, Sep 18, 2012

There’s a lot of simmering anger in this clip, especially from Bill Whittle, over the harassment of the Muhammad filmmaker in reaction to the barbaric protests and violence abroad. Now they each keep themselves in check so there’s no rageful yelling, but you must watch to the very end to hear one of the most thoughtfully potent eviscerations of this president I’ve ever heard:




Source: http://www.therightscoop.com/must-watch-trifecta-t he-end-of-america-as-we-know-it/


Full URL for video: http://youtu.be/k8n-yP4FNEo
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Moxnix
Posted on Wednesday, September 19, 2012 - 10:04 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

It's Obbie's mouth that will spoil his re-election. All the rich buddy's on Wall Street like his printing money that flows into their pockets, but not the nasty things he says about them in political speeches. Romney will keep it flowing, but not say nasty things in their regard. Hence, Romney wins, though we won't see much change in our financial future.

The Innerwebs offer up these really great plain spoken critics of politicians, complete with ridicule. To me, ridiculing politicians is the highest form of humor.

The ultra smug picture of Obbie reminds me not so much of Hitler, but Mussolini, what with the stuck out jaw and dramatic self-righteous scowl.

Times are tough.
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46champ
Posted on Wednesday, September 19, 2012 - 10:29 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

El Duce and Obama great comparison.
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Cowboy
Posted on Wednesday, September 19, 2012 - 10:41 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I beleve Romneys energys policy alone will creat more jobs and welth than the U S has seen in a long long time.
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Fb1
Posted on Wednesday, September 19, 2012 - 10:41 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

This image works, too:



Say, I don't do Letterman. While the ch0zen 0ne was yukking it up last night, did he happen to express any remorse for the murder of our Ambassador in Libya?

Did he mention that we had intel that something bad was gonna happen?

Did he mention that the State Dept issued a formal warning to Americans in Libya on Aug 27 that bad guys were plotting to do them harm?

Did he mention that we contracted out Amb. Stevens' security to the highest bidder? (No need to bother with US Marines, since they're not allowed to have real bullets in their guns...)

Did he mention ANY of this?

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Fb1
Posted on Wednesday, September 19, 2012 - 10:53 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)


quote:

State Dept. Issued Libya Travel Warning Two Weeks Before Attack

The U.S. State Dept. issued a travel warning telling Americans to avoid Libya two weeks before the deadly attack that killed Ambassador Christopher Stevens and three others. In addition, a recently updated threat assessment for Libya demonstrates the State Department was aware the security situation in Benghazi had become particularly dangerous for diplomats. Despite this, security at the US consulate appears to have been minimal during Ambassador Stevens' visit.

The US State Department provides travel advisories for nations around the globe which indicate the level of danger in a given area. Its most recent warning about Libya was published August 27, 2012, just fifteen days prior to the 9/11 attacks. The warning reads in part:


The Department of State warns U.S. citizens against all but essential travel to Libya. The incidence of violent crime, especially carjacking and robbery, has become a serious problem. In addition, political violence in the form of assassinations and vehicle bombs has increased in both Benghazi and Tripoli...In addition, political violence, including car bombings in Tripoli and assassinations of military officers and alleged former regime officials in Benghazi, has increased.

Source, and read more: http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2012/09/18/Stat e-Dept-Issued-Travel-Warning-for-Libya-2-Weeks-Bef ore-Consulate-Attack




Geez, Ferris - that's another right-wing smear piece from Breitbart. What a bunch of frikkin' losers. What do you really expect from them, journalistic integrity or something?

Well, OK then. Maybe you'll believe if you hear it directly from the State Dept:

quote:

Travel Warning
U.S. DEPARTMENT OF STATE
Bureau of Consular Affairs

Libya

August 27, 2012


The Department of State warns U.S. citizens against all but essential travel to Libya. The incidence of violent crime, especially carjacking and robbery, has become a serious problem. In addition, political violence in the form of assassinations and vehicle bombs has increased in both Benghazi and Tripoli. This Travel Warning replaces the Travel Warning dated September 22, 2011, and notes the resumption of full consular services to U.S. citizens on August 27, 2012.

Libyans cast ballots on July 7 in elections deemed to be free and fair according to election observers. Libya’s General National Congress replaced the Transitional National Council in August 2012 and will lead the country until elections are held on the basis of a new constitution. Despite this progress, violent crime continues to be a problem in Tripoli, Benghazi, and other parts of the country. In particular, armed carjacking and robbery are on the rise. In addition, political violence, including car bombings in Tripoli and assassinations of military officers and alleged former regime officials in Benghazi, has increased. Inter-militia conflict can erupt at any time or any place in the country. Seven Iranian Red Crescent officials were kidnapped July 31 in Benghazi by local militia members, and as of the date of this warning, they have not been released. There have also been several reports of militias briefly apprehending and detaining foreigners due to perceived or actual violations of Libyan law. The Embassy’s ability to intervene in such cases remains limited, as these groups are neither sanctioned nor controlled by the Libyan government.

U.S. Embassy Tripoli resumed full consular services for U.S. citizens in Libya on August 27, 2012.

U.S. citizens traveling to, or remaining in, Libya should use extreme caution and limit nonessential travel within the country, make their own contingency emergency plans, enroll their presence in Libya through the Smart Traveler Enrollment Program (STEP), and provide their current contact information and next-of-kin or emergency contact information.

Source: http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/tw/tw_576 2.html




Hell, this kinda looks bad for our current (soon to be retiring) Secretary of State, and doesn't reflect very kindly on Amb. Susan Rice, either, since she said this was just a fluke protest-gone-wild kinda thing and nothing to get our panties in a bunch over.

This really, REALLY doesn't look good for the ch0zen 0ne.

No worries, though: Letterman still adores him.
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Oldog
Posted on Wednesday, September 19, 2012 - 10:59 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Interesting clip Ferris,

I put one up on my face book page, where a family in Florida were being threatened by a local government for hosting a bible study at their home


Obama thinks hes a King

http://radio.foxnews.com/toddstarnes/top-stories/f amily-faces-fines-for-hosting-bible-study.html


I'm at a loss why his supporters are so over the top, I am also concerned as the government is going too far.

If I can, I watch Fox news, they seem to be largely fair [ I wish that all of them would try to just stick to the facts ] . CNN, MSNBC, and the other "NETWORKS" are GARBAGE not worth the time.
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Oldog
Posted on Wednesday, September 19, 2012 - 11:08 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Well, OK then. Maybe you'll believe if you hear it directly from the State Dept:

Don't confuse the issue with the facts.

You make a damning case against them with their own words....

Can any one confirm or refute something I read here about the popular election vote was to be counted off shore?
http://www.westernjournalism.com/spanish-company-will-count-american-votes-overseas-in-november/




They have a plan.

(Message edited by oldog on September 19, 2012)http://www.saveamericafoundation.com/2012/04/07/who-in-the-congress-and-the-fec-approved-of-a-spanish-software-company-counting-our-votes-in-the-upcoming-election-by-senior-chief-geoff-ross-usn-ret/


(Message edited by oldog on September 19, 2012)
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Sifo
Posted on Wednesday, September 19, 2012 - 11:28 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Can any one confirm or refute something I read here about the popular election vote was to be counted off shore?

I think that one can pretty well be put on the back burner. Looks like there's a hint of truth with a lot of conspiratorial hand wringing. There's plenty of more worrisome issues that are real. http://townhall.com/columnists/michellemalkin/2012 /05/09/scytl_voter_fraud_facts_and_fiction/page/fu ll/
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Oldog
Posted on Wednesday, September 19, 2012 - 12:00 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Sifo did you read the article?

the popular vote CAN be tampered with.
I'm as a rule skeptical of this kind of thing
but with the situation its better to be safe than sorry.
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Fb1
Posted on Wednesday, September 19, 2012 - 12:21 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The ch0zen 0ne is partying like there's no tomorrow in New York tonight, fresh off his breathtaking appearance on the Loserman Show last night.

In a curious move, the White House says NO CAMERAS, NO MIKES for tonight's galas, pen and pad coverage ONLY.

The "details" of the parties are top-secret, and even the guest lists are not available to the press.

It's one of the many things I adore about our current preezy, his down-to-earth common-Joe personna. For us fly-over people, us bitter clingers of our guns and religion, this guy has got our back and feels our pain.

So much so, that he's afraid of the backlash if we actually got a look at the fund-raising orgies taking place tonight?

I wonder how many millions of tax-payer dollars are being squandered THIS time.

Doesn't matter I guess - the Fed will simply print more.


Obama Fundraiser Features ‘Floor-to-Ceiling Gold Bottles‘


Beyoncé & Jay-Z host NY Bam ba$h



quote:

When President Obama addresses an elite roster of hipsters and multimillionaires, including hosts Beyoncé and Jay-Z, in New York tonight, he will do so next to a custom-designed tower of $800-per-bottle champagne that dominates the main room at Jay-Z’s 40/40 nightclub.

The 350-bottle champagne tower — designed by Jeffrey Beers — is a monument to Jay-Z’s favorite bubbly, Armand de Brignac, which is known colloquially by rappers, clubgoers and connoisseurs as Ace of Spades because of its gold-spade label.

“It’s floor-to-ceiling gold bottles in the entire space. It’s beautiful — breathtaking,” a rep for the Flatiron District hot spot told The Post. “It’s the first thing you see when you walk in.”

But the White House, which meticulously controls Obama’s image, is not expected to release any photos of the president’s appearance at the lavish club.

Details of the party are “under lock and key,” according to the rep, and the White House was guarding the guest list as if it were the latest intelligence profile of Iran’s nuclear program.

Source: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/beyonce_jay_ host_ny_bam_ba_5wud17kNBMEiV8wim9YYJK




Zero fiddles, while Rome burns.
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Fb1
Posted on Wednesday, September 19, 2012 - 12:29 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Champagne tower? A cool quarter million dollars.

Damage to the Preezy's image as champion of us little people? Priceless.



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Reindog
Posted on Wednesday, September 19, 2012 - 12:59 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

“A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship.”

--Alexis de Tocqueville
Democracy in America

This warning was given over 170 years ago and is becoming true today. Which way, America? Which way, Badweb?
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Roderick
Posted on Wednesday, September 19, 2012 - 01:16 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

It is your free press that will bring down your American civilization.
How do you propose we prevent this?
Even though a double edge sword can cut in either direction, it can still cut only one target at a time.

When the press is in the literally in the employ of the state, its target is naturally the people. When there is a free press, its target should and is the government, as in cutting through state sponsored obfuscation, deception, and lies to expose the truth. We have seen that with Watergate, Iran-Contra, and the current Fast And Furious scandals. It should be irrespective of politics.

But when it is figuratively in the employ of the state via shared ideologies and politics between agents of the government and agents of the press, the target will be the people to deter them from the truth. The currency is not money but of political power.

What is that Latin phrase?

Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

Who shall guard the guardians? If a supposedly free press in America supposed to be the guardian of the people but is now proven to have increasing collusion with high profile members of the government to defend the government, in other words, an unofficial Ministry of Propaganda, then the final burden falls upon the American people themselves.

(Message edited by roderick on September 19, 2012)
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Sifo
Posted on Wednesday, September 19, 2012 - 01:43 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Sifo did you read the article?

the popular vote CAN be tampered with.
I'm as a rule skeptical of this kind of thing
but with the situation its better to be safe than sorry.


I did read the first link you have. It doesn't really make sense with how the vote is run though. Michelle Malkin explains it pretty well. Keep in mind, each state runs their elections. Most states delegate that to the counties. Each county will have the ability to use the equipment and services that they wish. The other thing is that the procedures described, where there's no paper ballots, etc. isn't in place yet in most areas, certainly not where I'm at. There were other issues that didn't make sense too. I would hope that most counties would have the good sense to look elsewhere than a system run overseas with no audit available (if that's even true).
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