| Author | Message | ||
     Cityxslicker |
say no to hanging chads | ||
| Roderick |
Obama got a huge turnout in 2008 from young adults (18-25). This age group typically has a horrible turnout. I came to the US in 1975 and turned 18 in 1981. I was not a US citizen then so was not eligible to vote. My first vote was for Reagan's second term while I was active duty USAF. Anyway...In retrospect, if I was eligible to vote when I was 18 and if I have to be intellectually honest about it, that vote would have been out of political ignorance. What the hell does an 18 yr old know about society, politics, and history to make a reasonably informed decision to cast his faith in a figure he does not know? I asked this question despite the fact that we fled communism and that I had to be a bit more matured, including politically, than my fellow highskulers. Sometimes I wonder if we should adapt the old requirements of being a 'landowner' and literate in order to vote for today's time. But then I am pulled to the other side where I realize that being wealthy (landowner) or literate in no way inhibit my intelligence and political self awareness. I remember watching the movie 'Revolution' where Al Pacino in character signed his name with an 'X' because he was illiterate and yet the character was fully aware of what was going on with the country he was living in. As time passed and I got older and more politically aware, I found one thing have not changed between the young people during my teenage years and the young people of my time today: That they could only speak about politics and political issues via sloganeerings, rarely with any intellectual deliberations. I can only ask: If it is not possible to impose the 'landowner' requirement upon you 18 yrs old in order for you to exercise this political privilege, then can I at least ask if you have a job, even a minimum wage one, so that you understand some responsibilities beyond your parents' house, before you make a decision that will affect my life? I have never understood 'idolatry'. Not talking about the concept of 'idolatry' but about the willingness of it. I do not want to support someone because he is 'cool' because being 'cool' is subjective while having a boring job, or successful at a venture be it a fighter pilot or an inventor or a businessman, are objective and quantifiable. I will admit that despite the years, I am still ambivalent about the wisdom of allowing anyone so young and so inexperience in life to cast into the body politic a decision that will affect my life for X years, perhaps negatively for both of us. | ||
| Glitch |
It sure looks like Springsteen passed a doobie to to BO in Madison, watch closely between 1:13 and 1:16. | ||
| Wolfridgerider |
I thought this to be funny.... Mitt was the first choice on my ballot, Big O was 2Nd to last (about 10 on the ticket... really??) I wish I would have taken the time to see who else was running but the line was long and time was short. lots of peeps at my little rural church polling location | ||
| Sifo |
Roderick, Thanks for sharing your views around here. It's great to hear this from someone with a different perspective than many of us have. It's easy to become complacent when you have never seen how bad it can be under a different system of government. I agree that the typical 18 year old has little ability to vote well. They just haven't developed the wisdom that comes later in life. Yet they are called upon to do amazing things in our country from time to time. Thanks for your service BTW! They are adults and do deserve the right to vote. With maturity, many will gain the wisdom to vote well. The good news is that many who are young and liberal just don't bother to vote. Four years ago, BO got them motivated to go to the voting booth by promising them free stuff. That is something that they do understand. Hopefully they will quickly come to the realization that "free stuff" from the government is paid for by them. | ||
| Reepicheep |
Interesting Wolf, on my ballot (Warren County Ohio) Romney was second to last. Warren county is like 90% Republican... most races were unopposed. | ||
| Wolfridgerider |
I'm in Pickaway and I would say its a pretty red county. My brother is in Franklin and voted this morning. He said there was over 200 people in line, way more than usual. He is in the Muirfield/Dublin area. Heavy Republican part of the county. Turn out is key | ||
| Cityxslicker |
Not only does Washington (the west side of the state) lean entirely too liberal for my liking.... we became a sanctuary state in the last four years too. So y'all come on up - our state has decided to grant immunity to any illegal .... and the buses from California have been arriving weekly. Ooops, I mean 'undocumented'.... because once you have a drivers license - you are now 'Documented' and hello State benefits - medical, housing, and of course tuition | ||
| Jima4media |
I wonder what Mitt will say in his concession speech tonight? How will it differ from what John McCain said four years ago? | ||
| Wolfridgerider |
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| Oldog |
I wonder what XXXX [ barry ] will say in his concession speech tonight? How will it differ from what John McCain said four years ago? I fixed it for you, Oh barry well he will blame Bush .......  | ||
| Jima4media |
Early voting results are in from the Associated Press - Obama leads in all states but Colorado - Ohio, Florida, Iowa, and North Carolina | ||
| Sifo |
It's still a bit early for early voting "results".  Close enough for the AP though. It's 5 o'clock somewhere. | ||
| Macbuell |
LOL | ||
| Drkside79 |
you'll be happy to know that with 0.7% of the votes tallied Obama Leads NH 65 to 34% lol why bother reporting that. | ||
| Macbuell |
By the way, Obama had a HUGE lead in Early voting in 2008. By a margin of 58% to 40%. Apparently this time around his margin is something like 52% to 48%. If true, that is BAD news for Obama. Also, those results are only party affiliation and not actual vote. I personally know of a few registered democrats that are voting for Romney in Florida. | ||
| Sifo |
They said it would be close but I didn't expect it to be this close!!!  | ||
| Sifo |
At least BO knows what he will say in his concession speech... Obama: I Have A Concession Speech Ready | ||
| Jima4media |
Obama better get ready for the Victory Speech - 61 Electoral Votes to 49 Votes - | ||
| Aesquire |
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/des-moines-stor e-near-obama-rally-message-secret-224034954--elect ion.html Some people have a sense of humor... The Secret Service, famously, does not. | ||
| Aesquire |
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/11/05/us-usa-c rime-forthood-idUSBRE8A41KH20121105 Who do you think cares more about how the Muslim Brotherhood likes him than US Soldiers? Honestly, this just sucks for the people involved. | ||
| Jima4media |
Obama still leads the race 158 to 154 for Romney. | ||
| Sifo |
Obama still leads the race 158 to 154 for Romney. I think what you meant to say was that he leads AGAIN. As in Romney leads AGAIN. 163 to 158. No real surprises so far. It will be close in several key states. At this point I wouldn't be surprised to find that we still don't have a clear winner in the AM. | ||
| Mtnmason |
So jim, which sect do you fall into? The I-support-0bama-because-he-is-not-white/republican , or I-support-0bama-because-I-am-entirely-aloof-and-ha ve-not-the-sense-to-really-assess-whats-going-on, or I-support-0bama-because-I-dont-think-America-shoul d-be-the-worlds-foremost-super power-and-perhaps-some-other-nations(possibly muslim)-should-get-their-turn-at-the-top. ???? Which is it ???? | ||
| Sifo |
It could just be favoring revenge instead of love of country. | ||
| Wolfridgerider |
tums... | ||
| Drkside79 |
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| Drkside79 |
Fox News just gave the election to Obama. Watching them say it made my year! | ||
| Cyclonedon |
4 more years | ||
| Roderick |
It looks like the American people prefers themselves to be a dependent society. What we fled from, now I see a little bit more of it here. |
