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Strokizator
Posted on Monday, September 12, 2011 - 01:45 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

People who voted for Obama solely because he is black are no less racists than those who used the same logic in not voting for him. I suspect the former far outnumber the latter.

I chose not to vote for him simply because he has a "D" after his name. I subscribe to the school of thought that a crooked republican can't steal as much taxpayer money as a well-meaning democrat can give away.
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Ft_bstrd
Posted on Tuesday, September 13, 2011 - 11:12 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The REAL racists hate people who don't hate black people.

REAL racists call these people race traitors.


The problem is that the use of the term "racist" creates an involuntary response. It's a way to control behavior in others. If I call you racist, you reflexively respond to that claim. It allows me to avoid addressing your claims.
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Fahren
Posted on Tuesday, September 13, 2011 - 11:31 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

People have called me a racist, sexist leftist.


But I'm just racy, sexy and a lefty.
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Ft_bstrd
Posted on Tuesday, September 13, 2011 - 02:43 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

My pad response is to refer to the individual making such specious claims as a Race Pimp.
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Blake
Posted on Tuesday, September 13, 2011 - 05:29 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

In the vein of "truthers" and "birthers", we could call them "racers."
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Ft_bstrd
Posted on Tuesday, September 13, 2011 - 06:27 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Pimpers?
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Kenm123t
Posted on Tuesday, September 13, 2011 - 06:38 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Best thing to tell them is leave dont come back your actions and attitudes are not welcome
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Cowboy
Posted on Wednesday, September 14, 2011 - 07:07 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

So as in the title of this thread(prez.Zero)
looking at the election in New York it looks like the Prex. has had his Ass handed to him on a platter.
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Reindog
Posted on Wednesday, September 14, 2011 - 10:33 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Don't fall asleep as Obama can win the 2012 election. The Left and Leftier crowd will vote for him regardless of the criticism they hurl at him right now. Blacks will vote for him simply because he is black as they did in 2008. The Center and Right crowd might NOT vote for the Republican candidate if they persist in their religious claptrap (ie: God was responsible for Hurricane Irene as punishment). Even if this tingles the religious right, this turns most Conservative voters off big time. I liked Bachmann until she went batsh*t crazy with her religious viewpoints. I will probably withhold my vote if she wins the nomination.

Obama can win. Easily.
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Johnnymceldoo
Posted on Wednesday, September 14, 2011 - 11:37 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I give Bachman a pat on the back for holding perrys feet to fire in mondays debate. He was clearly outgunned and ill prepared to account for his poor decision making.
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Cowboy
Posted on Wednesday, September 14, 2011 - 12:06 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I have strong religous feelings so that will have a big part of my decision on election morning.
Cowboy( A southern Republican Jew)
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Sifo
Posted on Wednesday, September 14, 2011 - 12:30 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The Center and Right crowd might NOT vote for the Republican candidate if they persist in their religious claptrap (ie: God was responsible for Hurricane Irene as punishment). Even if this tingles the religious right, this turns most Conservative voters off big time. I liked Bachmann until she went batsh*t crazy with her religious viewpoints. I will probably withhold my vote if she wins the nomination.

I don't really like Bachmann much as a candidate, but I will defend her on this point. She simply made a joke about that. Seeing the actual video it is clear that it was a joke. Only taking it out of context can make it a religious viewpoint. I hope you know that.

As to her holding Perry's feet to the fire, I assume this has to do with the mandate to vaccinate girls. She did this by completely misstating what Perry actually did. I find that tactic very distasteful and will only serve to help BO in the long run. It makes Bachmann and Perry both look less appealing.
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Johnnymceldoo
Posted on Wednesday, September 14, 2011 - 12:58 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

His former chief of staff lobbied for the drug company, got the big contract and then made a donation to perry albeit a small one. This kind of shady stuff is so rampant in washington and Iam not going to support it if this is where the gop is after the primary. He can do all of the photo ops shootin guns and wearing cowboy boots talking about his sincere faith but he cant erase his support for al gore or that cheasy college picture of him with the dog. Give me someone real and not the conservative clone of john edwards.
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Johnnymceldoo
Posted on Wednesday, September 14, 2011 - 01:02 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Ill gladly watch brobama destroy the country another four years so maybe the right gets over its love of celebrity empty suit politicians and starts supporting men and woman who cant be bought or sold.
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Sifo
Posted on Wednesday, September 14, 2011 - 01:16 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The implication that Perry was bought by a drug co. for $5K is pretty dubious at best. It seems very likely that he felt the vaccinations were simply the right thing to do. Even Perry admits that the way it was done was not the right way to go about it though.

Support for Gore. That's a tough one for me too. It was a long time ago though. Has he been consistent since switching to the Republican side? I really don't know Perry's history that well.

Picture with a dog? I know nothing of that. Please tell me he had clothes on!
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Reindog
Posted on Wednesday, September 14, 2011 - 02:42 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I spoke with a friend of mine in the Dallas-Ft Worth area. He is Conservative and his wife is active in the Tea Party. They both find Perry scary although we didn't go into any detail. The Leftists in the Austin area are trying to dig up dirt on Perry to prove that he is a homosexual. I have no idea if that is true or not, but it would probably get him elected if true. : )
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Sifo
Posted on Wednesday, September 14, 2011 - 02:51 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The Leftists in the Austin area are trying to dig up dirt on Perry to prove that he is a homosexual.

Please tell me it's not connected to the dog picture.
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Britchri10
Posted on Wednesday, September 14, 2011 - 03:24 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

IDK But I think the Perry/Dog reference is related to him shooting a coyote that was threatening his pet dog.
Chris C
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Johnnymceldoo
Posted on Wednesday, September 14, 2011 - 04:55 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

No its nothing sick its an old college pick of him. Pretty trivial I know but shows him in the likeness as I see him today.
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Ft_bstrd
Posted on Wednesday, September 14, 2011 - 05:55 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The more I see of Perry, the less I seem to like.

I'm afraid he'll get the nod because many simply don't pay that much attention to politics.
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Reindog
Posted on Wednesday, September 14, 2011 - 06:20 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I am gravitating towards Mitt. He has governorship as well as business experience. He appears to be right of center which is the normal sweet spot of politics. He is against Obamacare which is a travesty and unconstitutional. At best, government health care is a states right issue. Some on the Left will even vote for him precisely because of RomneyCare. He might even be able to work with those scum sucking Democrats. ; )

I think Mitt can be elected especially if he chooses Marco Rubio as a running mate to snag the Hispanic vote.
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Xdigitalx
Posted on Wednesday, September 14, 2011 - 07:59 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The only thing I didn't like about Mitt was way he stared at whoever was speaking. Most others just looked forward and listened/prepared. BUT..., when he speaks... I DO listen and I like what he has to say, the same thing with Cain. Both have great talking points.

Did you see the shot of Cain next to Huntsman? May have been an illusion but Cain made Huntsman's head look like a softball. Santorum.... he made some good points but reminds me too much of a young Biden.

I still would love to see Mehmoud Ahmadinejad have to answer to either Bachman or Palin the next time he ef's up.
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Johnnymceldoo
Posted on Wednesday, September 14, 2011 - 08:17 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Gingrich in my opinion was in a class of his own and truly has a gameplan not just platform principals however ron paul stands a better chance of winning than newt IMO. I like Cain but he needs to step it up if he wants to get noticed. My primary vote will go to the candidate who I think is most likely to shrink government.
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Aesquire
Posted on Wednesday, September 14, 2011 - 09:00 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

...gets over its love of celebrity empty suit politicians and starts supporting men and woman who cant be bought or sold.

Had hopes for both parties last election, but we didn't get that kind of guy. I wonder if we can.

Not a single one of the candidates ever can be expected to be 100% in line with my wishes. I want a Jacksonian leaning hawk, fiscally conservative, pollution fighting ( rationally ) and socially liberal. Most of all I want a person who is aware of WHY the Constitution is a good idea, and that limiting the power of Government is the key to personal freedoms.

The Current guy, while seeming hawkish, due to his war record, has made choices that I really don't like. Why let the dictator of Iran slaughter his protesters without a peep, yet insist the dictator of Egypt step down? If Obama's goal was to screw Israel and promote jihad, I'm not sure how his actions would be different. His ROE's are insane...but he's not alone in that.

He's certainly socially liberal enough, though his view ( public statements ) on Gay Marriage are closer to Blake than the ACLU. ( civil unions ok, not marriage ) But...that just may be outright lies to get votes. It's a pattern with him, to speak to the crowd in front of him with no relation to different speeches to other groups. In fact, often with disrespect for others, when with "his own kind". ( neo communists/progressive/rich lefty donors )

Obviously, despite pleas for fiscal restraint between tantrums at not being allowed to spend ever more money, conservative is the opposite of Barack.

His stated view on the Constitution is that it restricts his power. Duh. Seems he really resents that, but that's by observation, not his statements.
Also I read his books.

( the book about Barack being a gay coke head I assume are bogus, and don't frankly care. I also assume everyone did something dumb in school. )

Since Dick Cheney really seems torqued at Condi Rice, I still like her. How about Rice/Cain?
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Court
Posted on Wednesday, September 14, 2011 - 09:12 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Keep an eye on Rahm.
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Ft_bstrd
Posted on Wednesday, September 14, 2011 - 09:23 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

So Court, between Blago and Fast and Furious, which one do you think will spell the end first?
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Blake
Posted on Wednesday, September 14, 2011 - 11:08 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I don't like Romney. He was pro-life and pro-gov't health care. I don't trust him at all. I don't trust Perry either.

I like Cain and Palin. I know Palin could use more experience and creds, but I so much like her stance on issues I'm willing to overlook it and trust that she would surround herself with top advisors. I trust her judgement, very Reaganesque.

I've not seen the debates yet. Will have to catch them on youtube or read transcripts.

Chris Christy is excellent. He needs to run.

Newt is a genius, but men who leave their wives don't ever win the Presidency, that and he lost me when he disparaged the tea party earlier this year.
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Cowboy
Posted on Thursday, September 15, 2011 - 02:53 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

When all is done it will be Palin and Rubio in the white house . ( you heaard it here 1st.)
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Boltrider
Posted on Thursday, September 15, 2011 - 03:45 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Reindog -


quote:

I will probably withhold my vote if she (Bachmann) wins the nomination.




Doesn't that give the same net result as someone like myself who leans conservative but sometimes votes for a 3rd party candidate? In an earlier thread, you were adamant in your belief of supporting the establishment conservative candidate, whomever it may be, rather than voting 3rd party. The point being that not supporting the big-name conservative is a de facto vote for Obama. But I see a conservative who withholds his or her vote as doing the same as a conservative who votes 3rd party. So what gives?

(Message edited by boltrider on September 15, 2011)
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Court
Posted on Thursday, September 15, 2011 - 06:05 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

>>>>So Court, between Blago and Fast and Furious, which one do you think will spell the end first?

More likely Solyndra.

When it becomes public knowledge that Solyndra was already effectively bankrupt (one of the reports sent to the White House asking more time time for Due Diligence said "this will will be in bankruptcy by September 2011") and that all rules were broken, folks were threatened if they didn't approve and that the money all $535,000,000 (over a HALF BILLION) went quickly, again against all the recommendations, to a scam firm created by Obama "bundlers" who all took HUGE salary and bonuses as the money arrived just in time to tank the firm.

We'll see.

I find it entertaining as hell.

There is no business sense here . . .no poor judgement . . .nothing but pure criminal activity.

You hire a Chicago crook . . you get Chicago crime . . . it's "American Stupid Theatre" , , , , playing daily at The White House.

Michelle's foibles with your and my money are starting to draw attention again. This chick can spend with the best of them ! Her saving grace is that she has a heart of gold . . . when she spends $10,000,000 on a vacation at least she takes all the old neighborhood, her mom, her mom's friends . . .that's here version of "environmental stewardship" making certain the government aircraft is filled to capacity.

Thanks for paying.
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