| Author | Message | ||
     Garryb |
Sorry, not most of America. Obama 332 Romney 206 They waited till the polls closed in Cal to announce Obama as winner, it could have been announced earlier. It wasn't close. Even with all the BS tricks, the GOP couldn't even win Florida | ||
| Sifo |
Sorry, not most of America. Perhaps you may be right. It's only the hard working taxpayers I was talking about. | ||
| Aesquire |
I get cataract's point though. Fiscal conservatism sells. It sold, pretty darn good, ( during the Clinton admin. ) and the House went R for the first time almost since WW2. Then the R's spent so much that the Drunken Sailor guild sued for defamation. They messed up. The Republican VOTERS essentially kicked them out. The D's were back in charge. If they lied the last time, why believe they'll not just do it again? That's the attitude of a lot of people of relatively conservative fiscal views. Those with progressive views just keep buying the lies, it's part of the religion. A few hard lefties have complained about Obama's not keeping his campaign promises, but the koolaid crowd like Chris Mathews are so smitten Obama could kill someone with a chainsaw on tv and they'd still support him. Same thing with Clinton. The NOW gang never, ever, questioned his creds even when accused of rape. The big thing to notice is that the "Tea party" people who were pushing a fiscal conservative line with social liberatarianism, ( by refusing to make moral stands other than personal responsibility and Constitutionality ) won big 2 years ago, and were ignored, in large part, By the Republican Establishment. ( the Obama admin has always propagandized the Tea Party with the smear of neanderthal social conservatives. ) It was, and IS the Social Conservatives that failed this election. It only took a few cretins with talk of "legitimate rape" and other such that showed both massive insensitivity, and sheer ignorance of medicine, law, and reality, to mess this election up for Romney and other Senatorial candidates. Gov Christy's being nice to Barry had little to do with it. New Jersey already got screwed by Obama the last natural disaster they had, and the Governors FIRST job is to serve HIS people. If he wanted Federal aid, suck up was the order of the day. It was the neaderthal politicians that lost this one. I suspect that the bozo's that messed things up for us ALL are not even real Conservatives, but just career jerks who thought they could ride the gravy train of social change... but I don't really care. No one else does either. An Obama minion can, and has, give a speech to the Communist Party, or claim the greatest mass murderer in history is their favorite philosopher.. The "media" isn't going to care or report that. An Opposition ( and R's ARE the opposition to the "media" ) candidate will be front page news when they play toe touch in an airport restroom, ( after pushing a "family values" image ) or makes an asinine comment about biology and rape. ( as usual, I'm lucky not to have been next to that guy when he said that, since I dislike jail time for kicking someone's butt, no matter how they deserve it ) So..... Social Libertarianism, won. Yeah! Hooray! Downside is it came packaged with progressive, anticolonial, dishonest, corrupt company. ( the Chicago Way ) THAT'S whats going to b---slap us. | ||
| Sifo |
It only took a few cretins with talk of "legitimate rape" The odd part of this, and I want to make it clear that I don't support this view as any sort of policy, there is just a bit of truth behind what he said in that statement. His point was still terrible and should not be policy in any way. Having said that, the stress from the tragedy of rape does have a tendency to abort the fetus naturally. It's not a high enough percentage by a long shot to support his statement, but it is a measurable thing. I hope I made it clear that if find this guys view on this reprehensible. Did I mention that? It's just that there is a sliver of truth hidden in there if you look hard enough. He deserved to be voted down after saying the things he said though. That sliver of truth was terribly misused. Please don't associate me with this a-hole. | ||
| Aesquire |
Please don't associate me... Oh, I'm not. BUT. The "media" has, and will. It's impossible to understate the power of owning the press. ( or in some cases, having members of the press with unrequited homoerotic feeling for a candidate. ) Face it, Mathews would have exploded if Romney had won. It's almost a good enough reason to want him to.  My point is that Social Conservatives didn't express why they had the views they did very well, and the Progressives labeled them as medieval a--holes. And it stuck. Ironically, the current admins' foreign and domestic policies actually are promoting medieval morality and the loss of womens rights of all kinds. ( with the rise of Sharia in nations where Obama supported revolutions & the Islamists are taking over........ plus the codification by the President that the First Amendment does not apply anymore. Re: Islam. ) But, as I've said, no one made that a campaign point. ( or if they did, were branded as nutjob racists from hell! ) | ||
| Garryb |
How come the GOP had no problem spending trillions on a war in Iraq and Iraq reconstruction, all on borrowed money. The only thing the war did for Americans is kill and maim a bunch of US soldiers. But, if we spend any borrowed money on American reconstruction, its criminal? The republicans caused the biggest world economic crisis of our lifetime, by totally wasting trillions on a worthless war. Now with the climate change effects we are seeing on the east coast, its looking like the country would have been light years ahead if Gore had won. | ||
| Sifo |
How come the GOP had no problem spending trillions on a war in Iraq and Iraq reconstruction, all on borrowed money. The only thing the war did for Americans is kill and maim a bunch of US soldiers. But, if we spend any borrowed money on American reconstruction, its criminal? The republicans caused the biggest world economic crisis of our lifetime, by totally wasting trillions on a worthless war. Now with the climate change effects we are seeing on the east coast, its looking like the country would have been light years ahead if Gore had won. Possibly because 1) you misstated what was done in Iraq, 2) you have probably misrepresented someones position, I'm not sure who's, and 3) we are seeing the effects of a couple of major storms converging on the east coast, not climate change. It's happened before and will happen again. | ||
| 12x9sl |
GarryB, the popular vote was less than 2.9 million votes apart (less than 2.5% difference)....very close to half of the voters voted for Romney. The all or nothing electoral votes doesn't tell the whole story. | ||
| Sifo |
Here's some more folks getting the b**** slap... Boeing Announces Big Layoffs in Defense Division No doubt this will have a ripple effect local to the closed plants as well as suppliers. | ||
| Aesquire |
Al Gore? Isn't the the con man who made over $200,000,000 on misrepresenting Climate Change and promises that the Oceans would rise.... then bought beach front property in Malibu? And... we spent far less than a Trillion$ freeing 50 million people from tyranny. True we spent about a Trillion all told on a very badly done occupation. In 2 countries. I've complained about that, a lot. The press complained about the loss in life... until Obama was responsible. Since then, losing more troops in Afghanistan in 3+ years than the Previous 7+ has been.... ignored. It would be interesting to hear your views on HOW we do the next country we free. Occupation seems a Bad Idea. Letting a country we freed from theocratic mass murderers ( Afghanistan ) establish theocratic rule seems even worse. It hasn't happened YET in Afghanistan. Ditto Iraq. I bet it does. We let them put the seed in their Constitutions. ( and I Blame Bush ) Still waiting to see if the rumor that Bengazi was a staging point for a CIA op to supply arms to Syrian Rebels is true...... and we won't know until later who the Syrian rebels are. ( the press didn't care in Libya or Egypt... ) Just read the Brits are busy destroying poison gas in Iraq. Dangerous work, good show allies! | ||
| Sifo |
There can't be any poison gas in Iraq. Chris Matthews said so! | ||
| Sifo |
Here's a segment of the economy that BO apparently is helping. To bad is isn't a segment of OUR economy. Flags on fire: Obama win may be good news for Pakistan flag-makers
At least he hasn't turned any nations that are nuclear powers against us. Oh, wait a minute...  | ||
| Glitch |
What could be so pressing here at home when you've got Thailand, Myanmar and Cambodia to worry about. Obama~Asian~Tour~2012 | ||
| Glitch |
Certainly don't have to worry about Iran | ||
| Cataract2 |
You guys are amazing.  | ||
| Sifo |
What's amazing is that the attack on the drone was "classified" until after the election. I'm not sure exactly what repercussions there should be for classifying information like this for purely political purposes, but I'm willing to bet that there are supposed to be some. Are you proud of our Presidents actions in all of this? | ||
| Drkside79 |
>>>>>>Perhaps you may be right. It's only the hard working taxpayers I was talking about. Beliefs like this is why the GOP lost. It's also why i rarely listen to a word you say. While i'm sure you're a nice guy but crap like that makes me wonder. | ||
| Sifo |
Interesting Drkside. If not hard working tax payers, who do you think will get the bill for all this spending? | ||
| Drkside79 |
So your comment had nothing to do with the half of America that voted for Obama? If you can honestly say it wasn't a Dem shot. Then I am wrong and apologize. Oh an holy F'n $h*t will someone finally allow me to type Obama without the spell check line. #Change.... lol | ||
| Sifo |
My original comment was aimed at "hard working tax payers". Garry said it was less than half the country that applied. I turned that into a bit of a joke. Take that as a jab at dems, a jab at Romney, or a jab at those of any political persuasion that are not hard working taxpayers. I really don't care. Lighten up Francis. | ||
| Roderick |
http://www.npr.org/blogs/itsallpolitics/2012/11/06 /164527819/obamas-win-powered-by-organization-if-n ot-ideas
Back in '08, just like many, I wondered how is it possible that quite an unknown figure and candidate managed to capture so much of the devotion and passion of so many Americans out of the larger electorate. Obama was woefully inadequate in terms of hard experience, in both executive and legislative aspects, compared to his rivals, of whom the press and the Obama campaign teamed up to heap the most opprobium, personal and professional. Today, just like many, I wondered how is it possible that Obama, despite a Presidential record that at best be described as dismal, still managed to retain the same devotion and passion levels necessary for a successful re-election bid. Both times, I have a gut feeling on how, but because am neither a professional statistician nor sociologist, I had to keep my suspicion in check. This NPR article, along with several others explaining the data mining and analyses done on the diverse interest groups inside the American electorate, confirmed by suspicions on how the Obama political machine managed to outsmart its Republican rivals and convinced me that politics and campaigns have changed and those changes will remain forever. My take... Economic issues, like the weather, is upon everyone and everywhere. Rain or snow affects a person as intimately as a pay raise or a week's decline of a few cents at the local gas stations. But just as Home Depot will not ship snowblowers to its Texas and Nevada stores, in other words, targeted distributions of products to markets that are receptive to said particular products, the Obama political machine was shrewd enough to recognize that as the American population has dynamic and diverse demographics, each group will have issues and/or a singular issue that is unique to the group and as equally emotional and personal as economics. And if those emotions are carefully manipulated, a particular issue can be perceived by individuals inside that group to be important enough to override other considerations. For the Latinos, it is immigration. For the homosexuals, it is equal rights under the laws. For the working class, it is envy and jealousy of the haves. For the blacks, it is given that the vast majority will side with Obama out of sheer racial solidarity. The few brave black conservatives are the exceptions who stood up in the face of an unofficial racial police inside the black community who will viciously attack any black who dares to express conservative views, and thereby ensure political solidarity with the Democrats. For the women, it is the perception that women will be second class citizens again, hence the phony-ed up 'war on women' from conservatives. Reality is irrelevant. It did not help Republican cause when two Republican Senate hopefuls made awfully insensitive and easily wide open to interpretations comments about rape. And so on... Going back to the women...I watched how conservative women indignantly protested that women are not single issue voters in that 'we do not vote with our lady parts' or something to that effect. I can only say that even though I share their conservative values and sympathize with their disgust, they are naive if they think that there are no women who do vote with their 'lady parts'. The Obama political machine have no intention of convincing all women that the Republicans have that 'war on women'. The Obama campaign just need to convince just enough women that there is a 'war on women' from the conservatives and this amount will vote with their 'lady parts'. Cynical? Yes, but that is from life experience. In no way does this mean the economic issues that Romney focused on are invalid issues because the fact that the contest was so close enough that the Democrats had to campaign up to the last day meant that Romney's message did truly resonate with the general population. But for each demographic, it was not enough, and the Obama political machine deftly defined and redefined those emotional issues for all groups. It was not difficult for all groups to see that despite their differences, such as the Latinos with their traditional Catholic values that clashes with those of the homosexuals, all perceived themselves to have a common enemy: The Republicans. In short, single value voters do exist, there are plenty of them who just need a push, and from '08 to this day, the Democrats know how to push better than the Republicans. That is why Republican soothsayers like Rove and Morris who preyed upon statistics were taken by surprised by a different and better set of statistics that provided a clearer picture of the current American electorate. Gingrich finally had to admit... http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/11/07/gi ngrich-i-was-wrong/
He meant the people was looking at a different set of things than he was. What is "buyer's remorse"? It is a feeling that one's business deal has not turned out to even minimum satisfaction. But if buyer's remorse is a feeling based upon initial emotional and intellectual investments into a business deal, be it buying a toaster or a boat, is it possible that there are many among those who voted for Obama for re-election did so out of the same emotional investment that they gave to him the first time despite their intellectual understanding of his dismal record as President the past four years? Absolutely. How else can we explain the public defections of many and the close contest? What if even half of those who remained with Obama voted according to their intellect instead of their emotion and that they do not have even like Romney? Obama would not be President today. Conservatives have good cause to be sad but none to despair precisely because it was such a close election. Their message does work and very well near turned the country. The Obama campaign was clearly nervous after the first debate. Paul Ryan was an excellent choice for Vice President and so would have been for Marco Rubio but Rubio would not have helped because the Obama political machine have been working on the Latinos since 2008. Conservatives need to find common ideological and moral grounds with the Latino demographic and emphasize that commonality. The Asian-American community gave Romney about %25. How much of the %75 would turn if they see Latinos being friendly to conservative principles and candidates? Ideas needs the human agency to survive. Conservatives does not need to convince everyone in every demographic to convert. Just enough will do. But if conservatives do not take to heart that the US has experienced a major demographic shift in the political realm and retool their methodology of communication, conservative ideas will cease to exist. And to end this bluntly: Republicans need to put the Bible thumpers in the closet. And white Republican males 50+ yrs old should STFU about sex in general, let alone speaking about rape. | ||
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| Cataract2 |
I would say Rob covered it well up there. (I like the ending sentence.) Just like with the GOP and those who are single issue voters on the social and moral issues. The DEM was able to get those single issues voters on those same issues. It is what I said in the beginning. Those hot button issues killed the GOP this go around and if they don't sit back and reevaluate what truly matters. It's going to hurt them come the mid terms. | ||
| Reepicheep |
Again, I don't know how you run against both the Democratic party *and* almost all major news outlets. One Republican says something really stupid about rape. Virtually every other Republican in the universe says "that was a stupid statement that does not reflect my values or the position of the party". And the media reports "Republican makes stupid statement about rape". And the media repeats it over and over and over. I'd rather the media get it right across the board, and stop making circuses out of idiots (and tragedies) in their quest for attention. But if they can't, then they should at least get it wrong consistently for both sides. | ||
| Sifo |
Again, I don't know how you run against both the Democratic party *and* almost all major news outlets. Agree totally. And I think that is a big part of what leads to this sort of thinking... And to end this bluntly: Republicans need to put the Bible thumpers in the closet. I seldom see Republicans talking about religion and legislation together. The exception is when legislation is stepping on religious freedoms. That is what brought on the idiot talking about rape in the first place. The context was about taxpayer funded abortions. On single person saying something incredibly stupid, and the entire part get branded with it even though virtually everyone voiced their opinion that they don't agree. Now when President BO using his religious views about "collective salvation" to push controversial legislation, as he did with Obamacare, you don't hear a peep from the media. I wonder how many people even caught the fact that BO did this. I bet less than 5%. I would bet the farm that more people are aware if the idiotic statement about legitimate rape. Hey Cataract2, you like that ending sentence so much. What's your opinion of BO using his religious beliefs to push Obamacare? Legit rape guy get voted out. I'm good with that. Everyone raves about BO doing the same thing from a much higher position in government. | ||
| Xdigitalx |
And white Republican males 50+ yrs old should STFU about sex in general, let alone speaking about rape. Thats just dumb. Just cuz your stuff may not be working doesn't mean all other republicans are geriatric in that area. they have ALOT of tv shows & movies about murder... (I prefer 1st 48hrs) Maybe they should have a rape version showing all the different killing proceedures that occur at clinics and hospitals where the baby ends up depending on its' "status" and show this on reality tv to educate the masses and in school systems..., I mean.. they give out contraceptives right? IMO, I think ALL children should be born and be given the right to choose on their own to become a child/kid/person. And that should allways be the #1 priority. The inconvienience of it should not be in question at all and that thought process should somehow be taught to the kids. But I also believe in a womans right to choose to kill the unborn baby especially in cases of rape/incest (obviously). I also think the choice of killing the unborn child should not be hers alone and the right to do it should not be hers alone either if there is a another party involved (husband/boyfriend, one night stand). Just because I just met you should not make a difference whatsoever in the rights of the unborn child whom would be just as much my child as the womans. Of course I realize every circumstance is not the same and some have VERY complicated circumstances so this could not apply in every instance BUT... if the kids growing up had that kind mentality towards childs life, maybe things could be alot better for everyone. I clicked here http://www.justfacts.com/abortion.asp and read the descriptions for the weeks after fertilization and I don't see how anyone could kill a child after 4 weeks and be OK with it let alone having a law that allows it to be commonplace for what they consider to be a major inconvience. This is how I feel today and like any other human, I can change my mind and my thinking could possibly lean alittle more in either direction depending on the circumstances. I don't think anyone has all the answers. | ||
| Moxnix |
Luke 6:25 Woe unto you that are full! for ye shall hunger. Woe unto you that laugh now! for ye shall mourn and weep. Ah, just another shout out from an aging white Bible banger, meant to offend those offended by such and same. That's it for today. Thanks for your time and have a pleasant day. | ||
| Macbuell |
Roderick, I really do not think any of that is new. In order to win elections, you promise everything to everyone. It's been that way for years. The Republican presidential candidates in recent years have not done a good job of delivering those messages. It's hard to win an election when you alienate any one voter group. The Republicans have, in one way or another, alienated the lower class, women and latinos. Part of me thinks the Republicans are dead and I hope for the rise of the Libertarian party. However, the other party of me says this is only fleeting because once there is not a black man on the democratic ticket the Black vote will go back to not caring and not voting. If that happens, things should level out. Still, unless the Republicans figure out how to bring women and latinos on board by changing their message, I think they could be in trouble. The lower class, most likely, will never support the Republicans but there are messages on the Republican platform that resonate with Women and Latinos. The Republicans need to figure out how to capture those votes. For right now though, I am stocking up on weapons and ammo and saying prayers (That is said with tongue partly planted in cheek). | ||
| Sifo |
Part of me thinks the Republicans are dead and I hope for the rise of the Libertarian party. Want to know the big "problem" with the Libertarian party? They don't believe in this... you promise everything to everyone Neither do the Republicans at their core. Our nation has a cancer where everyone wants the government to take special care of their little niche. That was never intended to be the role of our government. No democracy throughout history has found the cure for this cancer. | ||
| Xdigitalx |
I am republican, but when most democrats and liberals speak of republicans... they are not speaking about me, that is for sure. There needs to be a purple party. |
