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     Aesquire |
Not to re fight the war between the north and south. ...... But which lies? There was a LOT of stupid stuff said on both sides.... one of my favorites was Rush saying we'd pay for the war with the sweet oil deals. Not only not happening but mostly foreign companies got deals. Wmd's? The Brits set up a facility to destroy the tons of poison gas shells we found. The New York Times wrote a nasty, and justified piece on how U.S. troops exposed to poison gas are screwed by the V.A. and Army. We even shipped the yellow cake uranium to Canada for processing. ( you remember, the stuff that lying sack who's wife got him sent to Africa said didn't exist? Then they prosecuted some idiot for outing her when they knew who really did over at State ) A whole pack of stupid lies. We were going to steal the oil. Iraq was directly involved in 9/11/01. ( that from talk show fools...not the administration ) Pick one, six if you like. Now you want to complain about the occupation? We could do pages. | ||
| Sifo |
Nice. I've stayed at Sugar Beach Resorts in Kihei a number of times. It's a good spot fairly central on the island. If you have a car it's a nice drive down to the lava fields south of Wailea. There's some cook hiking trails along the ocean. You might consider something more substantial than flip-flops if you want to hike much on the lava. You can find some OK snorkeling down there too. A bit north of there you have Big Beach and Little Beach. Very nice sunsets. IIRC Little Beach is the nudist beach if you are into that sort of thing. If not, don't hike over the point. A good spot to eat cheap is Alexander's. It's right across the street from the big park with the whale in Kehei. Not fancy, but good fresh sea food that won't break the budget. If you want to get a nice fancy dinner, head across the island toward Paia to a place called Mama's Fish House. Be sure to take a walk around the grounds too. There was also a nice restaurant at the harbor in Maalea. These recommendations could be out of date, it's been over 10 years since I've been there, but those places had been institutions on the island for a very long time. It's always nice heading up to the Haleakala crater. Sunrise is great, but leave early, and bring everything warm you have. Sunset is almost as nice too and it will be much warmer. Best is hiking down the crater at sunset on the full moon. No doubt you can see windsurfers and kite surfers from your room. It's not a bad walk along the beach to the pavilion in Kehei to see them up close. Head to Hookipa beach in Paia to see some good wave sailing, though surf will be small this time of year. There's a lot of good hikes to be had along the road to Hana. Best practice is to not leave any valuables in the car and leave the windows down. Also don't let your wife leave her purse in the car at a scenic overlook. Petty crimes of opportunity happen often enough at these areas. Aloha! | ||
| Aesquire |
I do basically agree. Years of Bush hatred by the press and his failures got us Barry. Plus the color vote plus dirty tricks plus a Billion dollars in laundered money. ( ok....only half was laundered ) Read a hilarious editorial on why the press hates George Bush. His administration busted Tommy Chong for selling bongs on the internet. Since most journalism students are stoners THAT really torqued them off. Not sure how true that is....except the stoner part. That's solid. | ||
| Airbozo |
Maui: The Kings trail is a nice hike to a very private beach. We used to park the jeep at the end of the road and hike to the beach (indicated only by a couple of lava rock piles in the form of an arrow) early in the morning. Nice secluded spot under a rather large shrub to hide from the sun if you get too much. WMD's: Well, we knew what to look for since we had the receipt. Bush Jr probably got a copy from his papa. (people nicely forget that part about Reagan's legacy) | ||
| Sifo |
Also if you find yourself at the Iow Needle park, there's lots of nice spots to hang out, but... We have been known to do things like hopping over the railing at the top, right where they tell you not to hop over the railing. It tends to be a messy, muddy hike, but keep following the trail up hill. Often the trail is the stream. We eventually got to a meadow where the water was collecting and actually turned into the beginning of the stream. Pretty cool. Keep heading up hill and you will eventually get to a 360 degree view with the Pacific view to the west and the Haleakala Mt. view to the east. How's the weather today? Just like yesterday?  | ||
| Aesquire |
Heard that for years and there is some truth to it. Be interesting to know if or how much mustard gas we did or did not give him. But we knew what Saddam had because the u.n. inspectors had a list. Then lied to the planet and said it was gone. It was not. This has been rehashed time and again. "There were no wmds" "Yes there were and are and here's proof" "Well then Regan & Daddy Bush gave them to him" I really have to point out the following cold facts. The first statement is a lie. A deliberate one as proven by the third. I don't know for sure the third line is true, but it may well be. Please post evidence. I've heard it many times..... but it usually comes after the first, provable, lie, so why should I believe it? It may have been a mistake to free fifty million people from tyranny. The reasons given to do so may have been not good enough but they were not a lie. The occupation and politics that followed, no one disagrees were a mess, and if you like I can discuss just how bad.... and what probably should have been done. You might agree with me & vice versa. Another point that's interesting is the only person running for Prez today that read the Intel reports, stated repeatedly that Saddam had wmds and voted to take him on, was Hilary. That she lied later is no surprise to either of us. Today thanks to Barry's actions, slavery, crucifixion, and genocide are the facts of life in Iraq. Yes. We wouldn't have left a power vacuum for AQ/ISIS to fill if George hadn't taken out the old bad guys. But it was Barry that gave them weapons and has refused to deal with the new bad guys. Saddam was a regional threat in the oily a hole area. ISIS is global and active here. Love to hear your opinion on what Barry Should do. Leave the propaganda of decade ago behind and look at the real now. | ||
| Aesquire |
I also sarcastically should point out Tricky Dick Nixon soundly trashed the north Vietnam army (our military did, ) in the Tet Offensive, then got us out of Vietnam, and then Congress screwed the south Vietnam folk and let them be slaughtered & conquered. But. Tricky Dick didn't start the war. Kennedy started our involvement, and Johnson ego ran the war into a disaster. ( while we're at it flip the bird at the French for their colonial failure ) So. Believe whatever you want but here we are with the jihadi richer and more powerful than ever in just the time Barack has been bragging about how great he is for supporting fascism in the region aka"the Arab Spring". | ||
| Aesquire |
I always wanted to fly Wiamanalo bay. North east shore of Oahu. | ||
| Sifo |
One other thing that I can never get any reasonable answer on... For those who think that invading Iraq to be a mistake, what would the right plan have been? How long were we (the US) supposed to keep enforcing the UN no-fly zones? The left was screaming to end the sanctions on Iraq. All of that was going to end soon, so what should have been done? Que the crickets... | ||
| Airbozo |
http://rense.com/general29/wesold.htm Some info here too, but you have read through all the fluff: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_and_weapons_of_ mass_destruction http://fff.org/2014/10/15/where-did-iraq-get-its-w eapons-of-mass-destruction-part-2/ But I heard about it while I was in the Navy when Ronnie was president. (a conversation I will only have in private) | ||
| Airbozo |
Sifo: Well my opinion would have been to let it work itself out. Saddam was quite adept at causing all sorts of issues for himself and sooner rather than later the UN would have tried to enforce some more restrictive sanctions against Iraq. Hopefully the gulf nations would have intervened, but the US would have ended up there anyway since we seem to be the world cops (which I completely am against). The US has a long history of meddling in other countries business on the premise of national security, only to have things go very bad years down the line. Like Iraq before 2001. | ||
| Aesquire |
Ok... Thank you. I'll wade through that. I know YOU didn't start the "bush lied" meme, That's a deliberate propaganda ploy by both the D party leaders and Saddam & his clan. But now that I've pointed out that not only is it provably a lie, it's a logical fallacy and pile of lies, you might want to think about the source of that pile. And reconsider a few things. You are a fairly smart human, you can figure it out. IIRC the Regan admin set a record for guys going to prison, and I was not very happy with most of his domestic agenda. Most of his foreign policy was good, though I didn't agree with supporting Saddam as a counter to the Iranian monster Carter created. And While I'm in a mood, I think we should force Congress to use the VA system instead of premium free health care. ( they already refused to do Obamacare, even though it's the Law ) And the President. I've heard "we're going to fix this" for way too long. ( rest of rant deleted to keep from being hit by a drone strike ) | ||
| Sifo |
Well my opinion would have been to let it work itself out. OK. I'm completely in the dark as to what that means. The UN pretty much walked away leaving us in charge. Once we walked away from the situation, you would have no more no-fly zone and no more enforcement of any sanctions. This was exactly what Saddam was counting on happening. Not exactly in the best interests of the region or the world as a whole. | ||
| Aesquire |
Personally, I'm in favor of trying a very old method. Some Leader or group annoys you. You have to think hard about if it's worth the bother, and what the results might be, but if it is worth it, decapitate the leadership, and tell the whole area you'd be happy to support anyone sane and reasonably honest. We have the internet and aircraft mounted transmitters so you can blanket a region on a bunch of channels and freqs to get the message across. If you have to send in troops, which we did in Iraq because Saddam was in hiding, ( and still have to do today thanks to the nature of AQ/ISIS/Jihadi in the region ) they hit, and move on to extract, or hold away from population centers. No more occupations unless we are willing to go full Japan with a Viceroy and set up a government we want. Since we seem to have forgotten that, just don't. My proposal for Iraq was the "palace a day club" where we take out a target every day until surrender. Somewhere in the country is a General or a Lieutenant willing to take charge for a while to settle the problem. ( Kaddafi was a Lieutenant. He just promoted himself to Colonel. Big fan of Colonel Gamal Abdel Nasser ) OTOH look at how successful a "measured, smart approach" to the region has been. total fail. The US has a long history of meddling in other countries business on the premise of national security, only to have things go very bad years down the line  | ||
| Reindog |
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| Reindog |
Are you former Obama-ites now Hillary-crats? If so, why?? Why??? WHY???? Come home to America....please.  | ||
| Hootowl |
And in other news, a survey of 7000 early 20 something students reveals that G.W. Bush is thought of as one of the top 5 villains in history. Not Stalin, not Mao, not Pol Pot...G.W. Bush. At least they knew who Hitler was. This is the state of our country, thanks to the dismal state of our educational institutions and the Progressives who run them. We're doomed. Too bad there isn't any place we could go form a new country. America is done. | ||
| Reepicheep |
And terrifingly, that kind of decoupling from reality and emotionally driven thinking is exactly what sets the stage to enable a genuine Hitler or Stalin or Mao... | ||
| Oldog |
And terrifingly, that kind of decoupling from reality and emotionally driven thinking is exactly what sets the stage to enable a genuine Hitler or Stalin or Mao... True, happily these twits support the Disarmed nanny state, so in the night of the long knives, who wins pajama boy or wham-bo? }We're doomed. Too bad there isn't any place we could go form a new country. America is done. Naa come live in the red south, When the blue state loons take over the north and NW, The south will be armed. Texas, NC,SC,GA,Ten,Al,Mis, for sure. In the past month I have over heard no less than 5 conversations on a possible Second American Revolution, and more comments about dissatisfied citizens, there is real and building anger in America. Consider this when bad laws are rammed down the citizens throats, the executive is largely lawless, ruling by fiat, and outrageous lies are held up as truth. How long will the populace tolerate it? | ||
| Hootowl |
"Naa come live in the red south" I'm already here. "How long will the populace tolerate it?" The problem is, over half the country doesn't just tolerate it, they embrace it. | ||
| Reindog |
The problem is, over half the country doesn't just tolerate it, they embrace it. They embrace it because they steal from the other half. This beast is hungry and wants even more "free" stuff. This is, to be polite, unsustainable. | ||
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| Aesquire |
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/06/16 /former-israeli-ambassador-obama-to-blame-for-decl ine-in-relations/ More alarming for me still were Obama’s attitudes towards America. Vainly, I scoured Dreams from My Father for some expression of reverence, even respect, for the country its author would someday lead. Instead, the book criticizes Americans for their capitalism and consumer culture, for despoiling their environment and maintaining antiquated power structures. Traveling abroad, they exhibited “ignorance and arrogance”–the very shortcomings the president’s critics assigned to him. Speaking to Breitbart News last week, Oren recalled his impressions of Dreams. Obama said “nothing good about America” in his memoir, Oren says. Here was a man “without a word of praise or gratitude to America”–and yet “no one was listening” to what Obama truly believed. Seriously, am I the only other person who READ the Ghost Written Biography? Did ALL the other sales just go on the shelf as Obama Worship? (Message edited by aesquire on June 17, 2015) | ||
| Pwnzor |
UN pretty much walked away leaving us in charge. Because without US, the UN is nothing. No power, no will, no authority, no respect. It's a complete joke. It needs to get out of New York, or be disbanded altogether. Let's see what happens to these pissant countries when they have to support themselves. | ||
| Aesquire |
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/419915/aggre ssive-adversaries-are-redrawing-world-map-victor-d avis-hanson | ||
| Cityxslicker |
ISIS is U.S. created, funded, supplied, and given a free hand in the region; and coming soon to the US as an orchestrated false flag. ISIS is U.S. http://tinyurl.com/o5nk9tg Learn the recipe - or forever be mutton. http://tinyurl.com/k34ovpr Jade Helm will be used to launch and push a martial law 'solution' - and if there is not enough 'grass-roots' opposition to the 'exercise' then artificial rogue agents will be used to incite an armed response. Whether this is an 'ISIS' attack or a sniper attack against a N. Guard unit - it is all contrived and gamed. Just as they did in Ukraine last year - where the US sponsored Polish sniper fired on both civilians and police - inciting the violence to an ever fevered pitch. Getting it in early. F.I.F.T.Y.S (F*ck, I F*cking Told You So) | ||
| Reindog |
I understand that Obama is a pathological liar who desires to weaken and harm America but why is Kerry playing this no-win game? Historians are not going to be kind to these Keystone Kops. A deal is supposed to benefit both parties. What is America getting for sticking its head in the sand rump up?  | ||
| Reindog |
Amazing that some protect rapper Obama at all costs. This is the price of a lack of leadership.  | ||
| Alfau |
Who is that wannabe with the hair hat? Donald Duck. Wouldn't he use camouflage with the economy. | ||
| Pwnzor |
Moron. |
