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Ducbsa
Posted on Saturday, June 15, 2019 - 09:35 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2019/06/w ebmd_misleads_on_agriculture_and_climate_change.ht ml
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Wiscokid
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https://weather.com/science/environment/news/2019- 06-14-permafrost-melting-sooner

https://gulfnews.com/world/gulf/kuwait-and-saudi-a rabia-record-highest-temperature-on-earth-1.156032 5581417

but the BWBT knows better then the worlds scientists.
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Ducbsa
Posted on Saturday, June 15, 2019 - 04:42 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

So those items are interesting, but donít have any rigorous link to manís activities. Also, do you really believe that there has never been higher temperatures since whatever creation you believe in?
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Hootowl
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Increasing co2 has squat to do with warming. Thereís no radiation left to turn into heat. The climate models assume a linear effect. Itís not.

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/03/08/the-logarit hmic-effect-of-carbon-dioxide/

(Message edited by hootowl on June 16, 2019)
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Wiscokid
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there has almost for sure never been higher temps since homosapiens have existed but just keep your head shoved up a warm moist place. I've layed out the same scientific evidence for years and get the same ignorant responses.
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Hootowl
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Dude. Zoom out. The 1930s were much warmer than today. And thatís just this century.
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Hootowl
Posted on Saturday, June 15, 2019 - 06:46 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Sorry, not this century, but the last 100 years.
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Wiscokid
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look at world temps not local.
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Hootowl
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The US has the vast majority of temperature sensors. The bulk of global warming hysteria is based on the US temperature record. Accurate records do not exist for much of the world, including the middle east. Telling me itís fíing hot there is not a convincing argument. Itís been fíing hot there for centuries. Didnít used to be. North Africa used to be forested. The climate changes.

Adding co2 to the atmosphere has no effect at this point. Donít take my word for it. Look at the numbers. I take that back. Adding co2 helps plants grow faster and use less water. But it doesnít capture more energy on its way out of the atmosphere. All the energy that can be captured is already being captured.
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Wiscokid
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explain to my how co2 doesnt effect temp/cooling ability
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Gregtonn
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explain to my how co2 doesnt effect temp/cooling ability

Your time would be better spent asking someone to prove how it does.
Better yet, do a little research on the subject yourself. You might learn something.

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Hootowl
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A careful reader would know that I have already done so.

Your question reveals that you did not read my posts, nor the link I provided.
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Aesquire
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Welcome. To a real discussion.



The Earth has certainly been warmer while humans were here. 1000 years ago it was definitely warmer.

http://www.drroyspencer.com/global-warming-backgro und-articles/2000-years-of-global-temperatures/

See chart. ( first Bing listing to search for 2000 years of temp )

If we are lucky, we will see such warm times again. But I doubt it. German & Russian Solar scientists are predicting a cold spell. Hopefully not as bad as the little ice age just past. ( as shown in chart at link )

So that's one thing you were mistaken about. You should reconsider the accuracy of the source for that error.

But I should check other sources. Vostok?

https://www.geocraft.com/WVFossils/last_2000_yrs.h tml

Cause & effect. Warm oceans mean more CO2.
https://www.geocraft.com/WVFossils/temp_vs_CO2.htm l
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Aesquire
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https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2019/06/the -complex-physics-of-global-warming.php
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Aesquire
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best short explanation yet for the Chernobyl disaster,

https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php?title=M ain_Page

Yep, banged them rocks too hard.

Every nuclear accident that I know of has been blamed on human mistakes.

In some cases, like 3 Mile Island, it was human error, but it was also confusing indicators and controls that led to the partial melt down.

There are some Russian submarine reactor incidents that might have been caused directly by bad design, but they aren't ever going to admit it.

In aviation accident investigation & safety training, they speak of an error chain, and try to find the initiating factor in an accident. It's almost always not one simple problem. It's a problem that leads to another to another etc.

There's a reason for checklists and a reason for standardized controls.

The checklist became U.S. Army Air Corps standard after the crash of the B-17 prototype, The Model 299 ( a beautiful airplane ) because the gust locks on the tail control surfaces were in the cockpit, levers to be moved.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_B-17_Flying_F ortress

On smaller planes, they would often use 2 lengths of wood tied together to keep the movable bit from being banged around in the wind when the plane is parked. One on each side of the tail surface. Physical objects you can see when you walk around the plane as part of your preflight.

Covers ( against dirt, rain, bugs etc. ) on the instrument vents have flags on them so you can see at a glance they are there. ( if you take off with the covers still on, your airspeed and altimeter won't work ) So pilots were conditioned to look for flags and obvious things like gust locks, or chocks for the wheels.

But the B-17 prototype was a much bigger plane than a fighter or transport of the era. There were a few bigger ones, but they were mostly flying boats, and the one XB-15 experimental bomber built by Boeing for the Army.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_XB-15

External gust protection would have been large, hard to install & remove without a ladder or cherry picker, and thus Boeing had built into the cockpit levers to lock the controls from the inside.

Unfortunately, the B-17 was being flown by a lot of different pilots as part of the testing, and either the pilot that day forgot the part of his briefing or didn't get the part where they explained the gust locks, and when he took off the airplane could not respond to the controls, stalled, and crashed.

The Army started using check lists after that. ( and they could be hundreds of pages long on the most complex aircraft with complex electronics, like F-104s )

btW, F-104 pilots ( among many others ) were trained and expected to memorize the checklist, since they wouldn't have time to look up the proper procedure for an emergency.

And as the current Boeing 737Max8-9 accidents show, with checklists that have gone from a notebook you keep in a thigh pocket and read from, to menu screens on the glass cockpit display, the poor guys still have to memorize the systems and emergency procedures since instead of flipping through the Book to page 237 where it gives you the answer to save your butt, it's now in nested menus.

Standardization. Typical light plane controls often include a throttle, and a mixture control. They might both be push-pull knobs sticking out of the panel. By tradition and regulation, the throttle should be black and round, and the mixture red, with flanges.

There have been many accidents because the builder or repair crew, used identical knobs for both controls. With no color or tactile difference, it's easy to use the wrong control, and flood, or starve the engine.

https://www.eaa.org/en/eaa/aircraft-building/build ing-your-aircraft/while-youre-building/building-ar ticles/instruments-and-avionics/cockpit-standardiz ing-for-homebuilts

That is an example of a human error, but the error chain started with someone not following best practice.
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