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     Aesquire |
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Nyos_disaster Imagine this in the LA hills, flowing through Orange county on it's way to Venice beach. | ||
| Strokizator |
Probably geographically impossible. Besides I doubt the average Angeleno would even notice the lack of oxygen in the air. They've been breathing this junk for years. | ||
| Aesquire |
Look at a topographic map. https://en-us.topographic-map.com/maps/zca/Los-Ang eles/ If anyone was insane enough to bury a few million tons of Liquid CO2 someplace like, Anahiem... Of course the first place this man made disaster will happen is a poor community with few millionaires to defend their safety, just as they didn't build any wind mills where it would ruin Ted Kennedy's view. He wouldn't let them. As always, the poor will suffer. There are other stupid ideas out there, but Carbon Sequestration is such a horrific one, it's worth resisting. Besides the inevitable accidents, it's a serious terrorist target. Remember, it was ONE clever guy who read a Tom Clancy novel and adapted what he read into 9/11/2001. Mohammed Atta. No, I don't plan to write a novel with an acid gas wave terrorist attack. But someone else may. ( might already be written, could be the poor of a movie, soon ) | ||
| Strokizator |
Yeah, I suppose it depends on your definition of LA hills. Most residents would consider that to be north of the city but since we're burying millions of tons of CO2 in Disneyland, I guess anything is possible. | ||
| Hootowl |
A pic of the visual representation of objects near the car. A stop sign, and a recycling bin. It also displays traffic cones and lights, including the status of the light.  | ||
| Gregtonn |
Regarding "fossil fuels" and "climate change". Were it not for the use of fossil fuels (coal, oil and natural gas) it is quite likely, by this point, there would not be a tree or whale left on the planet and the majority of life would be headed for extinction. G | ||
| Hootowl |
Not quite ‘now’ but it was certainly headed in that direction. Microorganisms in the ocean continuously suck up co2, convert it to calcium carbonate and effectively sequester it away forever. Without the new source of co2 created by civilization, the Earth’s biome would have eventually died. From what I’ve read, we’ve put off plant death for many years. Hail co2! | ||
| Aesquire |
Strokizator, I'd specified Long Beach, so. Should have picked Malibu. It's the LA Basin smog trap I'm thinking of. I don't think there would be a lifeless Earth if humans hadn't burned a bunch of stuff. That balances without us. More O2, more forest fires, and giant bugs. Hasn't happened yet, anyway. Tomorrow! Magnetic Shield Failure! The polar switch! | ||
| Hootowl |
CO2 released by tree fires would be reabsorbed by new growth. And the oceans. And sequestered. Net atmospheric CO2 loss. And on it goes until the concentration is too low to support life. | ||
| Hootowl |
http://sepwww.stanford.edu/sep/jon/climate.html | ||
| Aesquire |
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/12/30/desp ite-history-of-promoting-his-children-greta-thunbe rgs-dad-claims-he-did-not-always-support-her-activ ism/ Then we figured out our child was terrified into severe mental illness because the fairies poison everybody's milk! So we went her on a world tour with anti fairy activists to save her sanity! I might have gone on a personal crusade to stop people from lying about fairies to my children. Or taught them that fairies aren't real instead of buying into popular anti fairy propaganda. But not these great parents! | ||
| Aesquire |
https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2019/12/31/car-and- driver-our-tesla-model-3-suffered-catastrophic-fai lure-while-parked/ Bummer that it broke. Bummer it takes time to get parts. Both are not freaky in the world of automobiles. Amazing that you get a text message your car is broken while you are visiting. That never happened to me! I always finished dinner, watched the game, and then find out the car won't start after 11:00 pm in the dark & cold. Or most common, in the morning when it makes me late for work. | ||
| Hootowl |
Interesting. I suspect that the car was actually drivable, but the computer shut everything down to prevent further damage. Tesla are quite conservative when it comes to preventing battery damage. Each individual cell, not just the pack, is fused. I would not be surprised to learn that there was an impending battery issue and it was disconnected preemptively. Good thing there’s a 120,000 mile warranty on the battery. I do hope they get their service and parts issues worked out. They are growing more quickly than they can open and staff service centers. Not being allowed to operate in several states doesn’t help. | ||
| Hootowl |
More on plant starvation. Or, Moore on plant starvation.  | ||
| Sifo |
So the hot rod EVs are bending my mind. Things like different gear ratios for the front and rear axle and gear shifts happening at different times for the front and rear axle. I've got to say, it's a whole new paradigm! | ||
| Aesquire |
https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2020/01/cli mate-hysterics-wrong-again.php | ||
| Blake |
Science (actual observational data) versus models. http://www.drroyspencer.com/2019/12/cmip5-model-at mospheric-warming-1979-2018-some-comparisons-to-ob servations/ Models are not science. If you think they are, then you don't know science. | ||
| Aesquire |
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iris_hypothesis An unproven hypothesis. You know, science as it actually works. .... This article on CO2 saturation effect is suspect simply because of the context... It's posted on a site that is a collection of "debunking" articles. Some are good, others, I call B.S. http://nov79.com/gbwm/satn.html Kindergarten science explanations have their place. It's a nice way to introduce basics and popularize science. It's what Bill Nye and Carl Sagan are known for. ( I'm friends with Sagan's Secretary, but never met him ) Carl was also a real scientist. I might not agree with all his politics, but he was no fake. Ditto the late Michael Crichton. But the link from Blake, above, is a more credible source. Basic theory is a limited beginning to understanding, and including the math & references is a quantum level closer to modern real science. I'm skeptical of the CO2 saturation theory, but it does explain part of the error in the models. | ||
| Sifo |
I'm skeptical of the CO2 saturation theory, but it does explain part of the error in the models. I think there's likely something to the saturation theory, but as described in that article, it just scratches the surface. Water vapor is likely a major player in the saturation, and simply swamps CO2 in the wavelengths that CO2 operates in. Being that water vapor isn't considered a greenhouse gas though, it gets little attention and has been treated as a simple feedback in the modeling. Being a greenhouse contributor, it was assumed to be a positive feedback. Fair enough until you start getting more low level cloud cover. At that point sunlight get reflected back into space without being converted to heat, and suddenly it's a negative feedback. Cloud cover research though, it difficult, and doesn't lend itself to laboratory experiments, and has been ignored in funding of research. The little research I have seen on the subject suggest quite a strong negative feed back to temperature, the exact opposite of what had been assumed for very long. Naturally, acceptance of this has been very controversial, and simply dismissed by the alarmists. The interesting thing is that water vapor acting as described above creates a very stable system withing a fairly small temperature variance. This is what we have seen throughout the Earth's known history. OTOH, water vapor as a positive feed back, as proposed in the modeling, describes an unstable system that wants to run away in either direction. If that were the case, life would almost certainly never have had a chance here on Earth. | ||
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| Aesquire |
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/11/21/gret a-who-china-ramps-up-coal-fired-energy-production/ You'd think that the Chinese government knew Global Warming... | ||
| Aesquire |
https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2020/01/carbo n_dioxide_will_keep_increasing_and_climate_hysteri cs_wont_stop_it.html A world with 12 billion humans? That's only workable with cheap energy and a serious effort on the part of the U.S. Canada, Australia, & Europe to drag the third world into efficient technology. And even that is not enough without more GMO crops to feed that many. Golden rice and beans. I don't see it without a serious counter revolutionary effort to eliminate totalitarian regimes at home and abroad. Only with clever capitalism and increasing planetary wealth can we fix the real environmental problems. And the first thing needed to do that is to bring to a halt the CO2 trading scam that threatens to consume trillion$ out of the pockets of the middle class and put it into the pockets of an elite super wealthy group. Because it's the wealth of the middle class above sustenance that buys the investment into better technologies, through our retirement savings plans. If, as promised by the Leftist politicians, that is stolen to buy votes with freebie programs for illegal imported voters, there's zero hope of feeding the existing planetary population. The next terrible fact is with a less wealthy us, the loss of effective charitable health assistance and demographic trends, means a big '20s plague. Modern travel has amplified the reach of disease each century, https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_epidemics You might notice the increase in "world wide" epidemics. Modern medicine has helped a lot, but preventable diseases like measles still hit pretty hard. Let the U.S./European medical and programs fail from lack of funds and it's deep $%&# time. ( socialist government programs are a fraction as effective and efficient. Bill Gates alone has saved more lives abroad than every "Socialist Republic" combined. Ever. ) In 1918, the travel explosion of the Great War moved the "Spanish Flu" around the planet with incredible speed and spread. It's origins are still in dispute. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_flu The most likely origin for the NEXT planetary plague is China, but India is a close second. In any case, the spread will happen at 600 mph. Jet speed. And the trigger will likely be a war, or mass starvation event. ( poor nutrition weakens immune systems ) I'd expect it to be blamed on Global Warming and Running dog capitalist pigs, but really I'd suspect either a major internal power struggle in China, or economic collapse in India to be the biggest factor. My bet's on China. But these things aren't easy to predict. Or properly analyze. The pandemic of 541-542 is often blamed on the hunger from a major war, the conquest/reunification of Rome by the Eastern Roman Empire. Which may be the biggest factor, but maybe not. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plague_of_Justinia n So is 2020 the next big bad? I doubt it. But if there is a takeover of our government by the obvious to me internal enemy, then 2021 or more likely 2025, could be...epic. And not in a good way. | ||
| Blake |
Patrick: Gotta appreciate Dr. Richard Lindzen, President Trump's uncle.  Thanks for sharing the link re the Iris Effect. The 2015 paper included in the references is a good one too. Iff you look at the IPCC's reporting, it shows a low confidence level and a wide range of possible negative feedback for cloudiness effects. Their models aren't predictive science. They used to actually state that in their reports; now they're using them to infer a climate "baseline" or "business as usual" into the future, exactly contrary to what they'd originally stated. It's truly amazing. | ||
| Zacks |
So I was thinking: How many carbon credits would someone have to buy to offset all the CO2 being released by the wildfires in Australia? | ||
| Crusty |
You couldn't afford it. | ||
| Aesquire |
https://www.breitbart.com/news/hong-kong-steps-up- response-to-mystery-disease-from-china/ Probably nothing to worry about. A vacation in Hong Kong probably is more dangerous from being murdered by Red Chinese terrorist forces doing random attacks than a pneumonia you've got no antibodies against. Vacation in the Chinese province in question? Maybe Amsterdam or a winery tour in NY? | ||
| Aesquire |
https://www.popularmechanics.com/science/a30263559 /new-periodic-table-quantom-dots https://www.popularmechanics.com/science/a28981997 /new-periodic-table-molecules/ new ways of doing the old ways with new stuff and old | ||
| Aesquire |
https://www.popularmechanics.com/science/energy/a3 0246990/history-tiny-nuclear-energy | ||
| Aesquire |
https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2020/01/t he_sky_is_falling.html}} | ||
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