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Tootal
Posted on Sunday, November 11, 2018 - 04:11 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

https://www.facebook.com/OccupytheMediaX/videos/92 6746660858383/
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Ourdee
Posted on Sunday, November 11, 2018 - 07:27 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Law saved his life.....NOT! I want to know who decided he needed served.
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Ratbuell
Posted on Sunday, November 11, 2018 - 08:10 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

"In this case, it's not clear who petitioned the court" (to enact the red flag law where police can confiscate guns from someone who has been reported to be a danger to themselves or others).

THAT is the scary part.

"we have reports that say we need to confiscate your weapons".

Right.

Reports from WHOM? From WHERE?

I don't like where this could be headed. 1 month old law, here in MY state...enforced nine times already.

"Only" nine times according to the video. But potentially nine times too many depending on the situations.

Gun grab getting started, anyone?
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Ourdee
Posted on Sunday, November 11, 2018 - 08:44 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

They are going to raid the wrong house and someone will drop a hammer on the primers in the reloading room.
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Ourdee
Posted on Sunday, November 11, 2018 - 08:46 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

If it was a relative, I want to see them on TV explaining their mistake.
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Ratbuell
Posted on Sunday, November 11, 2018 - 08:49 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I hope not. (meaning the primer/hammer post). Honestly. Then, the libtards will have more ammunition (no pun) to say that gun owners are all crazy, and nobody should have guns because guns are evil....mmmmkay....?

I need to do some research into this red flag law and see what sort of requirements are in place to issue a confiscation order. This is scary stuff - not because someone might do something to make cops think they shouldn't have a gun...but because someone might NOT do something wrong, and the cops will STILL be told they shouldn't have a gun.

(Message edited by ratbuell on November 11, 2018)
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Skinstains
Posted on Sunday, November 11, 2018 - 11:40 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I just hope he had his favorite "from my cold dead hands" T-shirt or belt buckle on. I also hope that whoever is responsible for this retarded law gets brought up on wrongful death charges at least. As well as whoever initiated the "red flag" situation this man found himself in at 0500 Sunday morning (or whatever it was). I would certainly like to see the (whole) video of what went down on his porch as well as know why he was "flagged". Poor *@*# didn't even get to see his SS money.
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Skinstains
Posted on Sunday, November 11, 2018 - 11:42 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

About ready to start some serious research into what country I should ex-pat to. This place stinks on ice anymore and I have little faith in it improving.
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Rick_a
Posted on Monday, November 12, 2018 - 01:05 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The wife and I have looked into other countries...we're pretty much the last stand when it comes to individual rights. Most western countries have taken a hard left in the past few decades.

We've embraced the welfare state for some time...but we've managed to largely keep our rights...at least in most states.
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Tootal
Posted on Tuesday, November 13, 2018 - 11:29 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Hey Rat, that would be great if you could research that story. I didn't even know what state it was in but it's scary to think that some neighbor that doesn't like where you put your garbage cans could make a complaint to get back at you!

I get some of the reasoning they claim but before the police show up and steal your cache they need to talk to the person and find out exactly what is going on before doing anything else.
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Ratbuell
Posted on Tuesday, November 13, 2018 - 11:47 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I strongly dislike the beginning of paragraph 2...

https://www.marylandshallissue.org/jmain/legislati on-tracker/154-hogan-signs-gun-control-bills-into- law
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Chauly
Posted on Tuesday, November 13, 2018 - 11:52 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

It's about 5 miles away from me in MD. Needless to say, I'm a bit concerned...
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Ratbuell
Posted on Tuesday, November 13, 2018 - 11:57 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

From a Personal Defense World article:
In Maryland, those asking for the court order must be police, medical personnel, close relatives or those in a relationship with the person.

https://www.personaldefenseworld.com/2018/09/maryl and-gun-laws/

This legislation at least limits who can make such a call. The only people who will be able to file a report like this are relatives, others living in the same residence or health care professional who have evaluated the subject.

https://hotair.com/archives/2018/10/03/marylands-n ew-red-flag-law-will-disarming-people-soon/

That last article makes a good point:

But perhaps the most disturbing aspect of this law is the reference to health care professionals. If you are someone who is legitimately suffering from depression, anxiety or some other mental health issues and you happen to be a legal gun owner, are you going to go seek treatment, knowing that your therapist could drop a dime on you? Iím concerned that this could negatively impact mental health treatment rather than addressing the underlying problem.

It would *appear* there are decent safeguards built into the law, but it still makes me nervous with the potential for abuse. Or future amendment.
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Chauly
Posted on Tuesday, November 13, 2018 - 01:24 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Apparently it was his sister that asked for the order. She described him as "Excitable, but harmless".

At 2:00 am, confronted with the pounding on my front door, I might get excited as well...
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Chauly
Posted on Tuesday, November 13, 2018 - 01:25 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

http://www.firearmsnews.com/editorial/the-danger-o f-red-flag-laws/327750
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Ratbuell
Posted on Tuesday, November 13, 2018 - 01:56 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

article says 05:15, in neighborhood #8 on the list of 10 "safe" neighborhoods in the area (in other words, third from the bottom for safety).

yea, I'd likely answer with my weapon in hand as well. Watching the initial video, they said he "put the gun down" once he opened the door, then "picked it up again" - and "it went off, hitting nobody".

Which, apparently, was enough to get on-edge troopers to open fire.

Did the man FIRE the weapon?

Was he half-asleep and tickled the trigger by accident as he picked it up to surrender it?

Was this excessive force in terms of trooper reaction? Should their SOP be to serve these orders with tasers and non-lethals, at least on the front lines, with deadly-force waiting as a second line on the lawn or in the cruiser?

Mainly though...why in HELL did they go to serve this order at 05:15???
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Ratbuell
Posted on Tuesday, November 13, 2018 - 01:57 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

...and how does that sister feel, now that her "excitable but harmless" brother is now dead?
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Ourdee
Posted on Tuesday, November 13, 2018 - 03:35 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I want to write her stupid hiney a letter and ask. If he was harmless, why call in the "Deaths Head"? Thanks for helping him out! When I was in the service we had a saying; "We take care of our own". What kind of stupid family? I don't get it.
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S2t_bama
Posted on Tuesday, November 13, 2018 - 04:43 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Same advice to this guy as all the highly publicized police shootings. No matter how innocent you are, don't appear aggressive toward the police. Especially don't discharge a gun. If you do, we'll be reading your obit.
It's a bad law, but that's separate from the fact that the police were ordered to a house where a person with "mental problems" was armed. Confirming their fears, he answered the door armed. After finding out why they were there, he started resisting and fired a weapon.
I can't imagine any other result.
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Ratbuell
Posted on Tuesday, November 13, 2018 - 05:44 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

And that was my question - did he, in fact, "fire" the weapon? Or was it a negligent discharge?

Either way, he still got dead...but its the difference between police in the right, and police who planned poorly when they hammered on the door of a "dangerous" citizen at 5am, and shot an innocent man who simply mishandled a firearm while half-asleep.
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Skinstains
Posted on Tuesday, November 13, 2018 - 08:55 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The law always does this kind of stuff at a rediculously early hour as they want their victim, or should I say the citizen they are protecting and serving to be half asleep, uncoordinated, not dressed (no shoes especially) and easily confused with their million candle power lights. Out-numbering and out-gunning just isn't enough of a "deck stack" to make these hero's comfortable.
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Skinstains
Posted on Tuesday, November 13, 2018 - 08:58 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Don't know exactly how it's written but that stupid effing patriot act allows for anyone to make this kind of call on anyone. Land of the free my eye. This place sucks.
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Skinstains
Posted on Tuesday, November 13, 2018 - 08:59 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Oh yeah, I hope his sister lives for a long time and that this haunts her every single night
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Rick_a
Posted on Tuesday, November 13, 2018 - 10:10 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Due process matters.
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Aesquire
Posted on Thursday, November 15, 2018 - 03:11 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-11-14/red-flag -gun-laws-yet-another-government-weapon-compliance -and-control

Police reported they fought over his gun causing a discharge.

It's common during a revolution/riots to use the Mob to take revenge. The guy who screwed your daughter, your landlord, etc. You point the howling Mob at your enemies, before they get pointed at you.

Today, in America, you use the Police to take revenge. Lose at COD? SWAT the guy, by calling the police and faking a violent domestic abuse call. Ex girlfriend unstable? She calls and the police come to take your guns..... Ready to kill.

No court, no due process, no warning, no justice.
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Ratbuell
Posted on Thursday, November 15, 2018 - 11:05 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Police reported

That's what makes me nervous.

Any bodycams? Audio? Family members in the house?
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Skinstains
Posted on Thursday, November 15, 2018 - 03:22 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

If there were they'd probably be dead too. You know, the mob attacked...
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Ourdee
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Rick_a
Posted on Friday, November 16, 2018 - 02:02 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

A friend of my cousin's keeps linking me to Bernie Sanders supporter communist propaganda pages on Facebook. One of them pointed out an evil "automatic weapon" on my page. It's a common semi automatic rifle that's still legal in most states and I'm a machine gunner and rifleman by trade. What of it?
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Aesquire
Posted on Friday, November 16, 2018 - 03:29 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

One aspect of the Florida vote fraud this week is the probability that Florida Citizens may lose their Second Amendment rights, if Democrats take a few key offices.

https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2018/11/f lorida_election_frauds_hidden_guncontrol_agenda.ht ml

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2018/11/flori da_will_now_hand_count_thousands_of_ballots.html

Arizona scares the neck out of me too.

Why the concern from a Subject of The Imperial State of New York?

Because I may be running out of places to run to when I try to escape.

And other states besides NY are making noises about punishing people who want to escape corrupt leftist high tax States, by taxing their home sales to ruin them.

It may be wisest of me to simply throw away a decade of investment in my house, default on my mortgage, and use the money to move by the time they kick me out. If New York adopts such revenge taxes, I'd be insane to make one more payment on a property I cannot sell in a crashing market.

I should have voted for SMOD.
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Zac4mac
Posted on Friday, November 16, 2018 - 10:11 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

We're cool here in Colorado... for the time being.
The bigger Denver gets, the bluer we go.
The rural part of the state isn't growing to offset them at all.

There's alway Alaska and Montana... North Dakota anyone?

Z
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