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Zane
Posted on Monday, October 19, 2020 - 05:06 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)



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Akbuell
Posted on Monday, October 19, 2020 - 06:07 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

"when there is an unarmed person with a knife or something coming at you" . . . .

Wait, What ?
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Ratbuell
Posted on Monday, October 19, 2020 - 06:57 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)



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Ourdee
Posted on Monday, October 19, 2020 - 07:08 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

So, When the chinese spit bats into the fan. I was looking at RIA single stack 1911s in .22TCM with a 9mm conversion barrel and spring as part of the kit. I didn't buy the first one I saw and am thinking now that I should have. I will be getting one when things level back out.
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Court
Posted on Monday, October 19, 2020 - 08:02 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Is that a Mossberg?
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Ourdee
Posted on Monday, October 19, 2020 - 08:49 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I do not think it is. Shapes are wrong. It looks hinky.
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Ducbsa
Posted on Tuesday, October 20, 2020 - 08:01 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Regarding Marlin and other gun and ammo companies, you'd think that the huge demand now would be a boom time with higher profits to stay viable.
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Rick_a
Posted on Tuesday, October 20, 2020 - 08:05 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Anyone selling regular sporting guns is not experiencing any uptick in sales.

Things selling are pistols, defensive carbines and shotguns.
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Ratbuell
Posted on Tuesday, October 20, 2020 - 08:20 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I think the meme is just a CGI drawing...but I thought it was appropriate. Looks nothing like my Mossberg - I'll try to get a similar pic when I get home for comparison.

For the sales boom...ALL ammo is going fast now. The industry is pretty much out of defensive/pistol ammo, so folks are stocking up on what they CAN get. .308/7.62 is vanishing, defensive shotgun shells are disappearing...it's ALL going away. It's the (American) Picker's philosophy - "the time to buy something is when you see it". These days, if it goes "bang"...it gets bought. Ditto the firearms - my LGS has a sum total of 25 pistols in stock (they are trickling in; last I checked they got a "huge" shipment from Glock - 3 pistols), and a very bare wall with three or four tactical semiauto shotguns. Zero ARs, zero rifles - basically, zero-ANYthing that doesn't need a waiting period here in MD. Long guns, you pass the instant background check...and you walk out with it.

The "good" news is...it appears pricing has plateau'd somewhat for ammo. 9mm brass case seems to be somewhat steady around $0.48/rd. Nothing like the $0.17 I used to pay in bulk...but better than $1.00 or more, I guess. At least I have enough on hand to finish breaking in my Hellcat, once my night sights arrive.
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Chauly
Posted on Tuesday, October 20, 2020 - 03:35 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I was in Sportsman's Warehouse this past Saturday down in VA. I have never seen the shelves so bare. I actually saw some .22 ammo: three small boxes of .22 Short! They still had boxes of .416 Rigby, and .458 Winchester Magnum; you know, the common stuff!
Absolutely no pistol ammunition of any kind.
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Zac4mac
Posted on Wednesday, October 21, 2020 - 03:06 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

In regard to the shotgun pistol above, was just at ammunition depot and looked at one that Iím sure is the same model.
Mossberg 500 Cruiser 12ga.
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Zane
Posted on Wednesday, October 21, 2020 - 07:16 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

My younger son is now an assistant manager with a small sporting goods chain. The supply truck comes every Wednesday morning at 6:00 am. That is when the ammunition comes in. They open at 10:00 am and before 11:00 am they are sold out. He's been snagging me 9mm and today we scored 300 rounds of .45. Plus he gets a 20% discount.

Between the 9mm and the .45 I have about a thousand rounds stockpiled so far. But I don't know why I'm buying it. I lost all my guns in a tragic boating accident.
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Ratbuell
Posted on Wednesday, October 21, 2020 - 07:56 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Lucky bastard....

If he needs to re-home any 9mm just let me know....

Sorry to hear about the boating accident. Same thing happened to me last summer out on the Chesapeake Bay. One of my audio buddies and I went out on his boat - we can't do gigs, so we decided to get some sun while we would have normally been setting up for shows. Well, a coupla beers and some rum later, and....

Oh well.

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Glitch
Posted on Thursday, October 22, 2020 - 12:37 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Is that a Mossberg?
Dunno, looks like a render.
Sorry to hear about the boating accident.
Me too.
Lost my Mossberg that way.


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Pwnzor
Posted on Thursday, October 22, 2020 - 07:05 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

But I don't know why I'm buying it. I lost all my guns in a tragic boating accident.

Simple. It's New World Order Currency
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Pwnzor
Posted on Thursday, October 22, 2020 - 07:08 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I suppose it's like having all this 7.62x39 laying around for a rifle nobody owns, never owned, nor ever will own.

Along with all the .357, 9mm, .380, .22

Just a bunch of metal boxes gathering dust, totally useless.
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Ratbuell
Posted on Thursday, October 22, 2020 - 07:30 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Ballast.

Keeps the house from tipping.
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Pwnzor
Posted on Thursday, October 22, 2020 - 07:38 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

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Glitch
Posted on Thursday, October 22, 2020 - 08:35 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Just a bunch of metal boxes gathering dust, totally useless.
I hear ya, but I'm a hoarder, so I don't need an excuse for keeping it...all of it.
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Ourdee
Posted on Thursday, October 22, 2020 - 09:28 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Some things I own are for sharing. .308 ammo? The .308 is not in the house. Not enough room in this neighborhood to make it better than my other choices. The rifle is over a mile away where it could be the better choice. .22 pellet rifle with a shrouded barrel is for turning off porch lights. Each tool has things it does better. I like a full toolbox. I wish I could still carry 40mm HE.

On a serious note: I have found a lawyer that teaches "ESSENTIALS OF INDIANA GUN LAW". I missed his last class by a week. $50 class or couples for $95. I will try to get slots for Tracey and I. We haven't taken any legal courses since moving back to Indy.

Essentials of Indiana Gun Law is a four-hour course that covers the most important legal issues for every Indiana gun owner, including locations where the possession of firearms is prohibited state, federal or local laws, the justifiable use of force (including deadly force) under Indiana law and avoiding criminal prosecution for crimes involving firearms such as criminal recklessness, intimidation with a deadly weapon and "pointing a firearm."

This course is taught by Guy A. Relford, an attorney with over thirty years of legal experience whose practice is devoted exclusively to firearms-related legal issues.
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Ratbuell
Posted on Thursday, October 22, 2020 - 10:32 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

That sounds like a good course. We have to take that as part of our Wear and Carry permit here in Maryland, it is part of the requirement (in addition to background checks ad nauseum, live-fire courses, and interviews with the State Police).

I will admit - I learned a LOT in the course. Of course, "I knew" that we weren't supposed to go out and just shoot people, but it really enumerated the different situations, the differences between situations (and locations), what is acceptable, what is on the line, and what is flat-out forbidden - from both a legal perspective, and a societal perspective. It also gave a lot of good insight into what the police will be thinking, as part of their process, in the event of a shooting.

That said, Maryland's permit is "wear and carry", not "concealed" - there is no distinction between open and concealed here. Which is surprising, given the overall liberal nature of the state (Baltimore; Montgomery County; proximity to D.C.), even though we do have a (R) governor. But if I were so inclined...I could openly carry any of my firearms now that I have my permit.

Tactically? Without a badge clipped to my belt next to the holster? Nah. I'll keep it under cover, thanks. But if the SHTF like all predictions say it could after the election, regardless of who wins...I suspect we'll see a lot more open carry here in Maryland.

Myself included.

I don't want to be "the guy" who openly carries his sidearm, but if it's a major shift in our cities and towns and a lot of people are doing it...I certainly will, too.

An armed society is a polite society, and we can certainly use some manners!
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Ourdee
Posted on Thursday, October 22, 2020 - 10:46 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I often open carry. Our permit is to carry. How we carry is up to us here also. I know LEOs that want people to carry concealed and I know ones that do not care as long as you are legal. When I open carry I am paying attention to everyone. If I am in crowded locations, I usually conceal. At home I even sit on the front patio with an AR on the table in front of me. Most people in my State don't bat an eye when they see a firearm. All States should be like that. Now wearing a man bun is a different story.
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Aesquire
Posted on Thursday, October 22, 2020 - 12:24 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Open carry in New York is openly asking to be arrested. So be aware there are 52 different States & 52 different law sets.

D.C. & NYC are their own planets, states in the separate nations sense.

Chicago & other Big Cities have their own rules. Even Dodge City & the Western Days had gun laws.

So if you see me walking down a city street with a shotgun over my shoulder, either the city is on fire, or I have serious issues. In either case, I'd leave.

I'd love to have a 40 for plinking. Ammo is a bit expensive, though. ; )
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Ratbuell
Posted on Thursday, October 22, 2020 - 03:05 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

My LGS had PALLETS of .40 laying around - MSP and Frederick County Sheriff both transitioned to 9mm, so they literally had their .40 inventory stacked in piles in the retail space! If they'd had anything in stock, I'd have bought something in .40...just so I could buy and shoot some of that ammo.

Open carry in MD, while legal...is an outstanding way to scare the sheeple. ESPECIALLY when down closer to DC (Rockville, Montgomery County). Rockville is the only time so far that I've ever been asked about my firearm - I was doing a show, and mid-setup. One of my bend-stretch-lift moves lifted my shirt enough that my IWB peeked out a bit. Apparently someone saw, freaked, called Security, who called LEOs, who asked me about it. Politely...but still, it took time from my setup and job at hand. "Yes, officer, I have a permit...allow me to put down this 85-lb, $1,800 subwoofer so I can get the permit out of my wallet to show you..."

Washington county, where I live? "Whatcha carry? How do you like it, had good luck with it?", or... "yea, I've shot those, like 'em a lot, nice choice". Or..."nice, have you tried....?"

Different universe.
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Ourdee
Posted on Thursday, October 22, 2020 - 05:29 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

.40 and 40mm are two different creatures. 40mm has a 5 meter kill radius.
I got to fire 700 rounds of 40mm one day. A day I will always remember.
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Zane
Posted on Thursday, October 22, 2020 - 05:55 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Currently I live in Arizona and we have excellent gun laws here. Basically, you can carry concealed or open, with or without a permit. Don't do anything stupid and the police leave you alone. No one bats an eye if they see you with a gun on your hip. It's just normal around here. The farther way from Phoenix you get the more common it is. Go to one of the smaller cities upstate and and the two most common things you see are people wearing firearms and Trump for President signs.
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Rick_a
Posted on Friday, October 23, 2020 - 06:31 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Yeah? Can you purchase cases of 40mm without a tax stamp?
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Ourdee
Posted on Friday, October 23, 2020 - 06:51 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Tax stamp? LOL
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Ducbsa
Posted on Saturday, October 24, 2020 - 11:31 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

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Aesquire
Posted on Saturday, October 24, 2020 - 09:43 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Re: ammo in storage.

In real life, that's trade goods. Valuable for the metal alone. Extra value in centerfire cartridges in the reloading potential.

My shooting friends that don't reload usually give their spent brass to those that do, but trading is also common. For a reloader, knowing that the brass is all from one decent chamber & one brand, even one lot in some cases, has value. You still look at each one multiple times, but you begin with a reasonable expectation of consistency.

And you never know when an asteroid strike is going to alter the weather, economy, & politics. Substitute your historic event. No need to go all SHTF.

When the power is out ( often, from wind storms, locally ) the ATM is off, you're out of cash, and you want diapers Or feminine hygiene products, Now, a box of .30-06 is, if nothing else, collateral for a loan of cash with a neighbor, before a bicycle ride to the local store with a generator running the lights. I suppose gold coins or comic books have value too. : )

Mental note: restock Feminine and Baby stash. That stuff keeps forever, weighs nothing ( so it can sit in an attic Or on light supports ) and in the worst case, is excellent first aid supplies. As a first aid... ( The guy everyone knows has bandaids ) The not technically sterile, but close, nature of pads, etc. make them superior to torn up clothing ( movies!) and hey! Super Absorbent! says so on the package.

Yeah, I've used pads. The U.S. Navy Seals are infamous for using pads, tampons, and rubbers. When you're stocking up covertly in some convenience store in Redacted, Redactedstan, they're available, and don't announce your intentions like buying all the bandages. ( unless the enemy is looking for Seals by monitoring girly stuff sales )

And I often say, "You aren't a Man until your heart's been broken, & you can buy feminine products without emotional turmoil."

40mm? Correct me, please! I think inert practice loads don't need any special paperwork. Projectiles that go Boom anything like Army issue HE, do need paperwork! I don't know if it's $200 a shot Or a license required??? I'm also curious how big a boom moves you into NFA jurisdiction, Or where the blurry lines are drawn between fireworks and Destructive devices.
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