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Two_buells
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 16, 2003 - 12:50 am: | 
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José_quiñones, don't know which one will go.
S1 or S3
I'm riding the S1 now, I just broke a belt on the S3. this one only lasted 4000 miles. I broke one at 34000 also. I did get a new set of Isolators along with a new belt and I'm waiting on the rear XB rocker to come in.
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Rocketman
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 16, 2003 - 05:08 am: |
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Now that the flak has somewhat settled I just thought I might dare ask one of the most important criteria for the 12's, will they break 150MPH?
Ducking.......
Rocket  |
Elvis
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 16, 2003 - 05:50 am: |
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A bolt will not be on the heels of any 996 much longer than the time it takes him to get deep into 2nd gear.
Yeah, but how much time do you have to downshift when you glance in your mirror and see that old lady drifting into your lane? As you indicate, responsiveness comes from good torque at low rpms.
edited by elvis on July 16, 2003 |
Phillyblast
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 16, 2003 - 07:44 am: |
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Sean,
Johnny B at Motorcycle Online mentioned 140 mph trap speeds at Road America - of course, that was before he wadded up the bike, taking out a neighbor to the north with him  |
Spike
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 16, 2003 - 05:29 pm: |
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Has anyone spoken with their dealer about selling price for XB12's? I work at a dealer but unfortunately the sales manager doesn't like to discount anything (unless you're related to him). I haven't spoken to him yet but according to the sales guys here I'll be lucky to get out the door for under $12k. Any dealers here want to cut a deal for Badwebers?
Mike L. |
Cyclone1
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 16, 2003 - 07:37 pm: |
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I believe MSRP is 10,995 on em...that's what we'll be selling them for if that's the case 
Frank |
Buellblastrider
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 16, 2003 - 08:37 pm: |
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i'm guessing the low model was a one year thing. doesn't matter to me cause i'm 6 ft but kind of strange if the quit the xb9sl |
Psychobueller
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 16, 2003 - 09:46 pm: |
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If you go to the XB9S section in buell.com, on the bottom of the page is a link for the 2004 XB9SL. |
Paroyboy
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 22, 2003 - 09:42 am: |
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Just wondering about the InterActive exhaust on the XB12. Is this valve or whatever inside of the muffler or in the header pipe somewhere? If it's in the muffler, how much will that discourage aftermarket mufflers for the bikes? |
Bads1
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 22, 2003 - 09:52 am: |
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Yamaha had a valve in my FZR 1000 and that was in the header itself so a slip-on could still be used.That was called EXUP if I remember right. |
Glitch
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 22, 2003 - 10:18 am: |
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Bads1: Yer right.
Yamaha had the first one EXUP or EXhaust Ultimate Power valve.
Suzuki next with SET or Suzuki Exhaust Tuning.
Honda has one also called HTEV or Honda Titanium Exhaust Valve.
All of these are after the collector, before the muffler, so, I guess it could discourage the aftermarket, but, I don't think it will. They will probably try to make it better or do without it. I know of some that have gotten rid of their EXUP for the weight savings, and say they've not seen any problems with the torque curve SOPD(seat of the pants dyno) test only... |
Steve_a
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 22, 2003 - 01:33 pm: |
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The interactive exhaust valve is in the muffler. The entire mechanism is fabricated from stainless steel, including an elaborate investment casting for the valve-housing/flowpath. It's controlled via cable by a stepper motor that rides above the airbox, all controlled by the main ECU (engine control computer). It's expensive, but the powerband benefits are worth it. Perhaps Buell will offer a Pro-series muffler that makes use of the control mechanism, but I haven't heard anything about that yet. |
Piggos
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 22, 2003 - 06:11 pm: |
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Hey, wouldn't it be nice to be able to keep the stock muffler on a new bike for a change? |
Crusty
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 22, 2003 - 06:23 pm: |
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What a great idea! A quiet muffler that makes power. I like Quiet. It doesn't attract cops attention. It doesn't disturb the neighbors. It doesn't get restrictive noise laws passed. |
Apex1
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 22, 2003 - 07:28 pm: |
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Quite=Good. But don't you just want to be Bad sometimes? We'll see how it works. Tuned exhaust lengths are definately a proven technology to enhance performance. I personally hope it's the cat's-ass & everyone is like WTF is that?!?! |
Jprovo
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 22, 2003 - 11:38 pm: |
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Steve_a,
Perhaps Buell will offer a Pro-series muffler that makes use of the control mechanism, but I haven't heard anything about that yet.
It's allready here.
Check out Buell's website on the polished Race Muffler, it requires ECM recalibration.
http://www.buell.com/en_us/products/apparelaccessories/productslist.asp?Menu_ID= 4&ID=1975&MITEM=75
I have a sneaking suspicion that is has an exhaust valve in it. The old "Fetal Pig" did not require ECM recalibration when used alone, and the race kit with the polished muffler is for use on the 12's only.
James |
Matty
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 23, 2003 - 12:35 am: |
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James, it's the race pipe, but with a different (read GORGEOUS) finish. The stock pipe on the 12 is the only one using the valve. |
Jprovo
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 23, 2003 - 01:00 am: |
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Matty,
So the race kit for the 12 doesn't use the valve??? Why does the poished can require ECM recalibration while the old one doesn't? Typo??
The finish is totally bitchin. I want a Buell Blast pro-series pipe with that finish.
James |
Piggos
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 23, 2003 - 03:06 pm: |
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ECM recalibration versus replacement with a "Race Applications Only" ECM? |
Jprovo
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 23, 2003 - 05:45 pm: |
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Piggos,
They have a XB12 kit with a new ecm, air cleaner and exhaust. They also have the XB12 race muffler spereately, the Buell bebsite says that you have to recalibrate the ECM when you install only the race muffler. I was thinking that the ECM interfaces with an exhaust valve position sensor (EVPS, and yes, I made this term up), and you had to tell the ECM what it's zero point position voltage is (zeroing the EVPS). Maybe it's not to interface with the valve or EVPS, but to switch an input setting that allows you to run without the EVPS talking to to the ECM??
Anyone got access to the new muffler installation intrructions??
James |
Piggos
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 23, 2003 - 07:51 pm: |
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James,
The absolute position of the exhaust valve isn't important enough to justify a position sensor. Also, the sensor would have to be able to handle muffler temperatures!
It would be much simpler to adjust the cable length to match the stepper motor's fully extended position to the valve's fully open position.
Is there a configuration that would have the race kit used with a stock muffler?
Roger |
Jprovo
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 23, 2003 - 08:08 pm: |
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Roger,
I don't think that heat is an issue, because the position sensor could be remotely mounted with the stepper motor, and I think that the location would have similar temperature environment to what the throttle position sensor sees.
The ECM talks to the stepper motor, does the stepper motor talk back (like is there a measureable resistance value that changes with position)?
If that's the case you don't need a sensor, esentially, the stepper motor is the sensor.
I'd like to learn more about the whole interactive exhaust system.
I'm sure we'll know more when installation starts happening.
James |
Court
| | Posted on Thursday, July 24, 2003 - 05:20 am: |
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There is no Interactive Exhaust valve on the XB12 Race Muffler |
Mikej
| | Posted on Thursday, July 24, 2003 - 08:18 am: |
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So, is it as I suspected that the exhaust flapper valve is there for EPA noise compliance? |
Steve_a
| | Posted on Thursday, July 24, 2003 - 10:51 am: |
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"as I suspected that the exhaust flapper valve is there for EPA noise compliance?"
It's there to meet noise standards with a better powerband than without it. The old Thunderstorm engines had a huge midrange hole, filled in very nicely with the race pipe. The new engine has a much flatter torque curve, pulling noticeably harder at 2000 rpm, and with a very slight dip at 3500 to 4000 rpm. I suspect the race muffler will add slightly to the midrange, nothing to the top end, and will be quite a bit louder -- a good argument for keeping the stock exhaust, if it works out that way. |
Jprovo
| | Posted on Thursday, July 24, 2003 - 11:46 am: |
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The stock pipe on the 12 is the only one using the valve.
There is no Interactive Exhaust valve on the XB12 Race Muffler
Okay, I get it.
Thanks for the info.
James
edited by jprovo on July 24, 2003 |
Nevco1
| | Posted on Thursday, July 24, 2003 - 02:22 pm: |
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Sure would be nice to have a high performance quiet bike for a change. In as much as I love the sound of my V&H, it would be neat to not alert the cops and vigilantes of my pending arrival.  |
Sparky
| | Posted on Thursday, July 24, 2003 - 06:10 pm: |
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"A light weight quiet stock exhaust that outperforms the best aftermarket system." That's what I've been saying in my profile for years.
They must be listening,
Sparky |
Mikej
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 06, 2003 - 10:22 am: |
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Just one question:
So where's the blue bike?
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Paulinoz
| | Posted on Thursday, August 07, 2003 - 02:28 am: |
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http://newsmotoring.news.com.au/theadvertiser/story_page/0,8269,6762944%255E1686 2,00.html
Even A Bike jurno from the local paper in Adelaide South Australia got to test the new 12's. |
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