| Author | Message | ||
     Paroyboy |
Happy Birthday Rocketman. I'll be 37 on the 14th! Oh yeah, and Happy Bastille Day to ya too! | ||
| Blake |
Rocket, YOU are my elder?! I gotta respect YOU?! Happy birthday old man! Have an OP on me. | ||
| Rocketman |
Hey guys it's a tad early yet but thanks anyway. Ah yes Bastille Day Roy, which just goes to show why France is a great nation, they celebrate our birthdays LOL and Blake young son, you must have had a BIG paper round!!!! Rocket  | ||
| Mark_in_ireland |
and Blake young son, you must have had a BIG paper round!!!! ROTFLMAO  | ||
| Grndskpr |
The street version as embodied in the V-Rod shares no parts and no external linear dimensions with the original VR racing motor If the Vrod motor shares no internatl parts as the VR motor, that makes it a different motor right??? i understand they share the same v60 config, but is that it???I guess thats what i am asking, and it sounds like they share only original design ideas and not actuall parts thansk Roger | ||
| Rockbiter1 |
Does a 2003 Dodge Ram pickup share any measurements or parts with a 1983 Dodge? probably a few, but not many. However, the 2003 is based upon the design of the original, improved, massaged, and tweaked. So yes, they CAN say that the V-Rod is based upon the VR1000, and it be a completely diffrent engine. | ||
| Anonymous |
Dyna, You are wrong, the V-Rod motor did not exist before the motorcycle. The motor and motorcycle were co-developed into the combination known as the V-Rod. As Rockbiter says, you can certainly say that a 2003 Ram pick-up is based on a 1983 Ram pick-up, even if they share few parts. IMHO, they are a lot closer than a V-Rod and a VR in concept, and I'll bet there are more parts common between those two pickups than between the two motorcycles. However, it is absolutely true that the V-Rod is the only street version of a Harley-Davidson with DOHC, four-valve water-cooled and 60 degrees. Therefore it is based on the VR that had those specifications. And, they used knowledge gained from the VR to build the V-Rod. BUT, as mentioned before, everything was sized up to make a great, solid, substantial and beautiful power-cruiser motor for the V-Rod. | ||
| Rocketman |
Sorry but I don't buy that. I can't give you a year but Porsche were designing \ developing that motor a long time ago. You surely can't expect us to believe the V-Rod style was conceptualized at that time also? Rocket | ||
| Anonymous |
Rocketman, Buy it or not makes no difference to me; what I said is the reality of the situation. Was there work on looking into a street version of the VR before the V-Rod? Yes. In fact the VR itself was legal in Eastern Europe. But, the V-Rod motor you see today and the V-Rod motorcycle were co-developed. The engine was developed into a cruiser engine. Look at it's size, the 5 speed, and the weight. Well, enough on this. I happen to know the facts, while you are only guessing or fantasizing. | ||
| Rocketman |
Well it's all well and good for you to hide behind your anonymity to dish out the alleged facts. I believe that you believe that you know the facts but it's easy for you to say whatever because you're in the fortunate position of being able to interpret the scenario anyway you like, so here's a question for you. What year did the V-Rod motor first get thought up? Now go find me the earliest sketch \ mock-up etc of todays V-Rod and I'll bet you the motor came before the bike . Tell me I'm wrong because the V-Rod looks awful much to me like it followed in the footsteps of Ness, Roth and Battastinis custom creations from the 90's, much later than the Porsche motor was first conceived then? But hey, it's only a motorcycle right, so not worth losing sleep over. Don't sweat it dude. Rocket | ||
| Blake |
Rocket, You have email. | ||
| Blublak |
OK.. According to the Discovery Channel.. The V-Rod started life several years ago, with the engine being designed at pretty much the same time .. The engine took a while to get where Harley-Davidson wanted it. At the same time, they were working on the unique frame and other design elements. But, all in all.. It's here, and it's a Harley-Davidson.. We're talking about BUELL's here.. Right? So, here a special spy pic of the latest Buell .. 200hp, ceramic rotors.. all kinds of high tech stuff.. it's gonna be a smokin' unit.. Oh, the stickers and such are of course a camo job to help hide it's true origins...  Later, | ||
| Court |
"If I had closed by mouth and opened my eyes" - James Taylor | ||
| S2no1 |
Isn't that bike from Akira? Does it actually run? Curious. Arvel | ||
| Jprovo |
Blublak, That Kaneda bike is so cool, where did you get that pic? James | ||
| Blublak |
Yep, it's Kaneda's bike from Akira. I found the pic a while ago. They had a 'mock up' built for the promotional tour they did when the movie was first released. As I understand it, there is no engine, just a 'rolling frame' (more or less) and some cosmetic and some electronics for the display. There are a few people though that have built similar bikes that do run. I've heard of them, but none have been up to snuff for mass production. Hmmmmm.. Maybe, Erik is working on one of those as well?? Could be.. hehehehehehe.. Later, | ||
| Spiderman |
All I have to say is FI Blast will be comming soon I bet. Now let the flammmiiinnnng beeeeegin | ||
| Jprovo |
I hope not, all that FI would do is raise the cost of the bike. I don't see too many FI budget bikes. James | ||
| Anonymous |
Jprovo. F.I. is a cost savings over a carb. Carbs are very expensive parts in the production world. | ||
| Crusty |
Carbs don't have to be taken to a dealership to have their TPS reset by a (usually) inept tech who'll cover his ignorance by berating Buells. | ||
| Rocketman |
Blake no mail received? Anony I do apologize I think I must have been on one the other night and misunderstood what you wrote. I was much confused between VR and V-rod thus your comment I happen to know the facts, while you are only guessing or fantasizing was of course correct. Once again my humblest  Rocket  | ||
| Anonymous |
Anony, I don't know what world you live in, but in the world of 2003 production motorcycles, fuel injection is a significant cost hit over a carburetor. | ||
| Spiderman |
Yes Flame on LOL and even the Anonys are out BWAHAHAHA | ||
| Ezblast |
lol  | ||
| Rex |
Lets just build our own V-Rod buell....someone in the buell world should be able to...don't you think? REX | ||
| Spiderman |
If anyone wants to sponsor me I can have it done in a week once I have all the parts on hand that I need.  | ||
| Jprovo |
Annony 1, Sorry, I'm with Annony 2 on this. If there were significant cost savings for FI over Carburetors, every motorcycle would have FI. You're telling me that a Carb is more expensive than a throttle body, a fuel pump, an injector and an oxygen sensor? I think that they have a very similar cost, with the FI system components higher. Oh yeah, the cost of the ECM and the design and R&D time related to it. Even when you amortize the design and R&D cost over 10,000-20,000 FI Blasts you have significant cost. If you figure 12 weeks at 40 hours a week for a team of 5 to do the design and R&D, you’re talking 12x40x5 = 2400 hours. At $50/hour you’re looking at $120,000. Figure 15,000 bikes, that’s $8/bike for the design and R&D. Since I’m a layman when it comes to designing an ECM, Blake says to figure I’m off by a factor of four, so you’re looking at $32 a bike. I can buy a carb for ~$100, and I’m not buying thousands of them. So, $32 is roughly a third of the price that I can go buy one carb for, and that’s just the cost of the design and R&D. I can’t see the cost savings, if you can, show me the way. James edited by jprovo on July 07, 2003 | ||
| Dynarider |
James, I wanna know where you can get these carbs for $100. Are they new carbs  ? Hell I paid almost $400 for my Mikuni. | ||
| Steve_a |
There is no question that carbs are less expensive on an OEM basis than FI. Figure something like $250 to $500 price-delta at at the retail level for FI compared to carbs. The difference is more significant when you're talking a single throttle body replacing a single carb, as with Buell. Much of the cost of FI is in components other than the throttle body. The difference has dropped over time, but it still exists. The current shift to FI on motorcycles has a lot to do with current emission regulations, and the desire to maintain drivability while complying with regulations. | ||
| Spiderman |
I think Anony one may have been referring to the EPA side of things, IE testing. It may in long run be cheaper if you can pass the test one time with a FI system instead of multiple trys, trying to configure a carb/ignition set up to burn cleaner. |
