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Aesquire
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 14, 2010 - 11:38 pm: | 
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btw...
in the article "In Memory Of The 50 Million Victims Of The Orthodox Christian Holocaust"
he's pretty clear that the majority of Orthodox murdered are not by "muslims" but by leftists. After a quick look, I think his numbers look pretty good, and account for probably less than a tenth of total murders, ( including other than Orthodox, and indeed, millions of muslims ) by European leftists alone in the last century. ( Asian leftists far exceed that # )
so... 50 million Orthodox Christians, killed by Jihad? No. ( at least doubtful, without more data )
50 million Orthodox Christians murdered? Yes, at least.
Total people killed by Jihad? much higher. Much. |
Sifo
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 15, 2010 - 06:30 pm: |
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So let me again make it clear that I don't favor burning the Koran as a protest, but it is covered by the 1st amendment... Or is it.
Looks like the guy who burned a few pages at ground zero on 9-11 then got led off by police has gotten another surprise. Now he's been fired from the NJTransit. I just can't express how wrong this is. A government funded employer just can't fire someone for political/religious speech, especially when it happens off the job.
http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/2010/09/14/201 0-09-14_koran_burner_derek_fenton_fired_from_his_j ob_at_nj_transit.html |
Blake
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 15, 2010 - 08:15 pm: |
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Welcome to the party comrade. |
Fast1075
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 15, 2010 - 08:49 pm: |
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Well put Blake. |
Roadcouch98
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 15, 2010 - 08:50 pm: |
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I can see a Big Payout headed that guy's way in the near future.
Weren't Mexican demonstrators in Arizona painting messages and walking on an American Flag spread out on the Ground during a demonstration last month?
I'm of the Opinion that the American Flag should be protected and held above anything else in this Country. |
Aesquire
| | Posted on Friday, September 17, 2010 - 08:43 am: |
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One of the wonderful things about America is you can worship, protest, and do stupid stuff. Even if it offends someone.
Everything offends SOMEONE.
You really don't want to cut off your nose to spite your face. You really don't want to give up freedom, just because some jerk is building a monument to your defeat, or burning a religious book to make a political.social point, creating a cartoon that mocks violent jerks, or making some stupid piece of art that offends many.
The price you pay for freedom of speech is the possibility of being offended.
Now, if you want to complain about federal funding ---you know, YOUR money, being used to create offensive art, go ahead. That's part of the deal too. If you want to complain about a jerkwater dude trying for his 15 minutes of fame with a book burning, that's fine too.
He got far more fame than he deserves, IMHO, and I'm not at all happy that the "media" had such a field day endangering the lives of people all over the world, just so they could be more righteous than thou. ( as long as they can point the violent types at someone else )
In the final analysis, the jerkwater jerk proved his point. There is a culture that is violent, aggressive, and utterly intolerant. Not a few radical terrorists, but an entire religion.
It's like the jerks who run at speed through the 'hood with open pipes. some people crew it up for every one.
In this case, many evil men use this religion to kill, steal and control others. The basis of sharia and jihad makes it inevitable. I'd complain about other faiths if their prime tenant was to make me submit to them.
Roadcouch, I understand & share your respect for the flag, and cheer when some flag burning bozo accidentally immolates himself. I draw the line just short of "helping him out" by spraying gas on the flag for him, or on him. ( accidentally, of course ) |
Roadcouch98
| | Posted on Friday, September 17, 2010 - 08:51 am: |
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Ironic, though, that the Man protesting on September 11 of this year is fired from his government job for for exercising his First Amendment Right by burning pages of the Koran.
http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/2010/09/14/201 0-09-14_koran_burner_derek_fenton_fired_from_his_j ob_at_nj_transit.html
(Message edited by roadcouch98 on September 17, 2010) |
Sifo
| | Posted on Friday, September 17, 2010 - 02:41 pm: |
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So in today's new we have Islamic terrorists plotting to kill the Pope...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/religio n/the-pope/8008981/Pope-visit-Five-suspected-Islam ist-terrorists-arrested-over-assassination-plot.ht ml
And an artist from Seattle that has gone into hiding, on urging from the FBI, because she was promoting an "Everybody Draw Mohammad Day".
http://www.aolnews.com/surge-desk/article/molly-no rris-artist-behind-everybody-draw-mohammad-day-car too/19635192
I wonder what it would be like if Islam was a violent religion???  |
Mcdusa1
| | Posted on Friday, September 17, 2010 - 02:56 pm: |
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The Religion of PEACE
nuff said |
Aesquire
| | Posted on Friday, September 17, 2010 - 05:18 pm: |
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DC TV station fires veteran anchor who mentioned BP's contributions to Obama...
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/artic le/2010/09/16/AR2010091606645.html
Child Still Expelled for Toy Gun - a Year Later
http://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local-beat/Child-Gets -Expelled-For-Toy-Gun---a-Year-Later.html
It's not just jihadi lovers...no, actually, domestically, it is. Same guys who condemn the Koran burning & support the screw-you mosque also are responsible for the above 2 stories.
Politically Correct is a Soviet term. It means control the discussion/information so the slaves stay slaves.
And, to stay on subject. The Pagans will defend Christians. ( you have given up the burning at the stake thing, right? ) |
Aptbldr
| | Posted on Friday, September 17, 2010 - 05:57 pm: |
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Aesquire, BadWeb is most adamantly politically correct web site I visit.
Two users, just recently, banned for voicing non-PC opinions on a motorcycle forum. |
Aesquire
| | Posted on Friday, September 17, 2010 - 07:21 pm: |
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http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/246731/cry- islamophobia-clifford-d-may
....In recent days, we’ve been told that it’s in a new Washington Post/ABC News poll showing 49 percent of respondents holding an “unfavorable” opinion of Islam. At first glance that does seem disturbing. But take the trouble to actually examine the poll and a very different picture emerges.
First: Recognize that holding an unfavorable opinion of Islam is not the same as holding an unfavorable opinion of Muslims. Tolerance does not require that you favorably regard others’ beliefs. It requires only that you take a live-and-let-live attitude in regard to others — even if they hold beliefs you do not share (for example, regarding women’s rights, homosexuals’ rights, the rights of minorities in Muslim-majority countries, whether amputation and stoning should be used as punishments, and whether those who convert from Islam to another religion deserve execution).
Aptbldr, That's not political corrected-ness, that seems to me to be frustration dealing with a leftist argument technique that does not reply to direct questions, argues over and over an already conceded point, as though one error in an argument invalidates it completely. ( and, sometimes it does... If I argue that all muslims are gay, and therefor should not be allowed to immigrate for fear of spreading an arabic form of aids, disproving the existence of that arabic aids, OR the idea that all muslims are gay, would, indeed invalidate the argument. if i argued that all muslims are bound by sharia law to kill Obama, as he is apostate, the disproving that ALL muslims are bound by sharia law, would invalidate only the ALL and not the fact that apostates are under threat of death.
If I'm not a jerk, I'd concede that I was wrong about the universality of Obama's death sentence. That he is under such a death sentence is still true. )
There are other techniques used ( primarily, but not exclusively ) by leftists that are all under the heading of Dialectic materialism, and can be learned by studying marxism, it's means of conquest, and watching most news shows. ( "Rules for Radicals" by Alinsky is the bible for this stuff, and Hillary's College Thesis is about it, and Obama's mentors were acolytes. Want to know HOW you are getting screwed? Don't believe ME?, read the manual. )
Hannity, for some reason, seems to get the most "will not stop talking over & yelling their point long after it's been shown to be invalid" types. While not always a leftist method, it's users are pretty obviously lying. ( if you're are not a dope )
That said, I did have hopes that someday M2me would actually have his mind changed on a subject he knew nothing about other than the propaganda he parrots. Or, be able to show me something new. ( he has, on other occasions ) and I hope he is allowed back.
Heck, I'm left of center in this bunch, I and Blake really don't agree on a number of subjects, but have never had a hard time being civil and honest about our arguments. Sometimes we admit that our more hardline opinions are incompatible and we are never going to convince the other of our view, completely, but we CAN agree on rational compromise,. That's the American way. ( there ARE other American ways, but there hasn't been a good fistfight in Congress for way too long, IMHO ) |
Kenm123t
| | Posted on Friday, September 17, 2010 - 08:51 pm: |
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Apt they were banned for intellectual dishonesty When debate do not distort facts or just plain lie When you should be reinforceing your arguement |
Blake
| | Posted on Friday, September 17, 2010 - 11:08 pm: |
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>>> Two users, just recently, banned for voicing non-PC opinions on a motorcycle forum.
They were banned for making that very kind of false statement, over, and over, and over again, while at the same time ignoring the valid questions and points of others.
We simply won't tolerate disrespectful or dishonest debate here. Some like to call their opposing argument a "difference of opinion" when in truth it is different from reality. |
Ft_bstrd
| | Posted on Saturday, September 18, 2010 - 01:14 am: |
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Point....counterpoint
Point....counterpoint
It's that simple.
Lie...evade...dither...insult...lie
Recipe for departure. |
Moxnix
| | Posted on Saturday, September 18, 2010 - 02:24 am: |
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Debate often stirs the sensation of emotions. Emotion leads to losing debate by default. Tunnel vision foments a consensus reality of what one and those in agreement with them argue, despite being wrong. Getting back to Christians and Muslims, I watched the epic Kingdom of Heaven. Honor and chivalry are dead. But, if we charge a tax to those Muslims living here . . . . |
Aesquire
| | Posted on Saturday, September 18, 2010 - 08:30 am: |
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Sorry, I'm against any theocratic "solution" to our lives.
"first they came for the..."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came...
The nazi's hated the Communists. Ideological reasons? some, but mostly naked competition.
The trade unions threatened the ruling order, ( mostly because they were, and are today, pretty dang red. For proof, watch the SEIU heads speech to the Communist party )
The Jews have always been a convenient scapegoat. Ask Moses, or better yet, the whole damn middle east since way before 1947.
The Jews have become the "canaries" of society. When you hear lots of anti-semitic talk, you know the culture is about to become uncivilized, and fall. When they come for the Jews, next time, we MUST stop them. And there is a culture that is coming, first for the Jews, then, soon, for us.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20100905/wl_mideast_af p/qatariranisraelpolitics
I note in passing that fearing the stranger is actually rational behavior, especially if his tribe has already declared war on you and repeatedly murders people that offend them....like with a cartoon.
I could go back to asking for rational solutions to the jihad problem, but The leftists never seem to answer, just change the subject. |
Crusty
| | Posted on Saturday, September 18, 2010 - 09:16 am: |
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Hey, whaddayaknow; a political thread that got a couple more people banned from Badweb! Way to go!
This is what a motorcycle forum is really all about, ain't it? |
Ft_bstrd
| | Posted on Saturday, September 18, 2010 - 09:42 am: |
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What's interesting is that people who depart the scene over political threads RARELY participate in motorcycle discussions.
So, removing them actually contributes to a more pure motorcycle topic site.
Consider it weed killer. |
Sifo
| | Posted on Saturday, September 18, 2010 - 09:43 am: |
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Threads don't get people banned. Actions do. |
Ft_bstrd
| | Posted on Saturday, September 18, 2010 - 09:48 am: |
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What's interesting is that people who depart the scene over political threads RARELY participate in motorcycle discussions.
So, removing them actually contributes to a more pure motorcycle topic site.
Consider it weed killer. |
Ft_bstrd
| | Posted on Saturday, September 18, 2010 - 10:15 am: |
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Do your own search:
For M2me over the last 365 days, there have been 328 posts. There were 20 non-political posts. |
Crusty
| | Posted on Saturday, September 18, 2010 - 10:48 am: |
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How about if you look at what M2me did for Buells and Buellers over the past, oh eight years? Who designed, put up with endless criticism about and suggestions to "improve", then printed
the poster for Buell's 20th Anniversary? How many of his antagonists have done anything to improve, assist or enhance the Buell experience for others?
It sure is nice when you can ban somebody who puts as much effort into disagreeing with your political views as you do. That way, you can prove how you're morally right.
Isn't that what riding Buells is all about?
Why is it that I never see people who argue obnoxiously on the same side of the street being banned? |
Blake
| | Posted on Saturday, September 18, 2010 - 04:41 pm: |
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>>> How many of his antagonists have done anything to improve, assist or enhance the Buell experience for others?
Most if not all of them.
>>> It sure is nice when you can ban somebody who puts as much effort into disagreeing with your political views as you do. That way, you can prove how you're morally right.
You're confused. He put little effort to engaging in debate. Rather he ignored valid rebuttal and pertinent questions. Fail.
>>> Why is it that I never see people who argue obnoxiously on the same side of the street being banned?
You're not paying attention? Or they own the web site. LOL! |
Blake
| | Posted on Saturday, September 18, 2010 - 04:44 pm: |
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Further, the privilege to post here is contingent on one and only one requirement, playing by the rules, which includes honoring the requests of custodians.
No amount of do-gooding changes that. |
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