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Spiderman
Posted on Wednesday, September 08, 2010 - 08:55 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Victory building, LOL, nice!

I have no words to describe how retarded that sounds.

I am sure that was in the minuets of the meeting they had.
LMFAO
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Spiderman
Posted on Wednesday, September 08, 2010 - 09:04 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Italians committed mass murder in the name of the Pope

The whole Crusade thing, maybe????

and the Irish got picked on in general not to mention the IRA???

Hmmmm Let's go all the way back to the Romans! LOL I say we start feeding Christians to Lions again!
ALALALALALALALALALALA Shera law for all!!
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Mcdusa1
Posted on Wednesday, September 08, 2010 - 09:11 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I am sorry I got this rolling but it had to come out. I think we will see a moderate muslim when we see a Big Foot, or the lock nest they do not exist (only in photo's. Christians don't kill if you choose not to be one. muslim's do. They burn our flag, they burn bibles they burn pic's of presidents ( but thats OK for them) is this where we are headed?
PS: if Hillary is against it Im for it
PS: Larry flint is for it I'm against it

see Drudge

The Council announced Tuesday that it has invited local imams to perform Islamic invocations at the beginning of the Council meetings in September
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Spiderman
Posted on Wednesday, September 08, 2010 - 09:28 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Come on down to East Dearborn with me Dusa. I'll get your a whole deboned chicken, some pickles beats and hummus.

And I bet you will even walk out alive!

whoooo ohhhhh oohhhhhh
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Ft_bstrd
Posted on Wednesday, September 08, 2010 - 09:44 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Victory building, LOL, nice!

I have no words to describe how retarded that sounds.

I am sure that was in the minuets of the meeting they had.
LMFAO


Please research the historical precedent of the building of mosques.

"It is crucial to study the supremacist ideology of Islam and to recognize, for example, that the building of a mosque especially at Ground Zero is viewed by Muslims as a decisive victory over the infidels in Islam's march to establish its ultimate goal: the submission of all others to Islam and to Sharia Law."
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Ft_bstrd
Posted on Wednesday, September 08, 2010 - 09:51 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The whole Crusade thing, maybe????

Which was in direct response to the Muslim capture of Jerusalem in 1076 AD.

The response of the Christian or Jewish capture of Mecca or Medina would have been similar.


and the Irish got picked on in general not to mention the IRA???

Had the IRA blown up the Twin Towers, I doubt there would be much support for an Irish Catholic church to be built at ground zero either.


I say we start feeding Christians to Lions again!

Talk about retarded. : |
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Court
Posted on Wednesday, September 08, 2010 - 10:02 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)


quote:

. . . did you catch that soon to be declawed Obama's speech yesterday? This guy has the thinnest skin of any President I have ever seen.

"They talk about me like a dog", said Obama. How presidential. What a wimp this guy is. President George W. Bush endured blistering criticism and never flinched. Like him or not, Bush has a moral backbone that the Messiah could only aspire to have.

Obama did make a mistake about his criticism of us Conservative Republicans. He said we are the party of no. He got that wrong. We proudly and loudly proclaim that we are the Party of HELL NO! Funny how this soon to be ex-president failed to mention that the Democrats control the Executive and both houses of Congress.

This guy has got to exit the stage and we have to repeal the continued attack on the American People by this human wrecking ball. Everything this guy touches turns to caca.

Expect to see mass resignations from his Cabinet after November.




I am just reposting that so I can keep it somewhere I can read it.

Well spoken.

I wasted the time to watch the idiot speak to the union folks in Milwaukee the other day. He's not only clueless, he's thin skinned.

We deserve better leaders.

BTW . . . I laughed at the "declawed". Nothing could be truer . . this guy has become the laughing stock of Democrats as well . . .
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Cowboy
Posted on Wednesday, September 08, 2010 - 10:03 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Hey Spidsy I was in the mid. east a long time, What part did you live in I may know some of your friends.
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Spiderman
Posted on Wednesday, September 08, 2010 - 10:08 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

If we outlaw Mosques, only the outlaws will have Mosques!!!

Did the lion comment anger you, lol guess it is the She-Ra law taking a hold of my body!!!

ALALALALALALALALA}
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Reindog
Posted on Wednesday, September 08, 2010 - 10:11 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Spidey,

Originally, the WTC Victory Mosque was planned to be called the Cordoba Mosque. If you don't know the significance of that name by now, then the Badweb educational system and Informed Motorcyclist Program has failed us. As fearless leader has said, "Truth...get some".

You get detention and must attend a remedial IMP session.
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Crusty
Posted on Wednesday, September 08, 2010 - 10:14 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Kill 'em all; let Allah sort 'em out.
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Reindog
Posted on Wednesday, September 08, 2010 - 10:14 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Pretty funny stuff, Spidey. : )
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Cowboy
Posted on Wednesday, September 08, 2010 - 10:15 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

No anger here. But I can tell whem a man is talking through his ass.
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Reindog
Posted on Wednesday, September 08, 2010 - 10:21 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Ass indeed! I love those pink panties and he sure has a purty mouth. He got one thing wrong though. He points his ass towards Mecca five times a day.
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Ft_bstrd
Posted on Wednesday, September 08, 2010 - 10:21 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Did the lion comment anger you

Nah, just kinda silly.


Now if you want to advocate for feeding Muslims head first into chipper shredders.....
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Moxnix
Posted on Wednesday, September 08, 2010 - 10:31 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Oh, I get it. I must be tolerant of a wahabiist's intolerance, per people who distain Christians.

Summer news cycle: Arizona bad for being intolerant to illegal aliens. Americans bad for being intolerant to the Victory mosque. Florida church bad for being intolerant to radical Islam. Do we have a pattern here?

Native what? Siberian land bridge brought certain immigrants first.

Did the commander of American forces in Afghanistan come up with that news release on his own or did it come from POTUS? What is the US Secretary of State doing commenting on a rally at church in Florida to the international media? It appears to me that POTUS is having officials now doing his appeasement to the muslim world.

Sufi was the largest sect of islam, centuries ago. They were tolerant of other sects and now are pushed around by Shiite and Su'ni. Their mosques in the US have been beset by wahabiis, which originated in Saudi Arabia and, since the oil money started flowing, has been up to considerable mischief around the globe. Last time I was in Kansas City for a gathering, a Sufi family were present. We were invited to have aab-i-Zumzum water, from Mecca, with them. They tolerated me and vice versa in cross-cultural communication and no one proselytized.

Speaking only for myself, I'll not be burning any religious books of any faith.

Westboro Babtist is showing up around here for a military funeral protest this week. IM<HO, they are a cult of intolerance. To be pitied and censored.

Who is defending Christians??





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Xdigitalx
Posted on Wednesday, September 08, 2010 - 10:45 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Who is hitting their head against the wall now?
I LIKE PIE:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5L3M8Pn9KU
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Doughnut
Posted on Wednesday, September 08, 2010 - 10:56 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)




Kitty will protect Christians.
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Moxnix
Posted on Wednesday, September 08, 2010 - 11:04 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Thank you.
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Mcdusa1
Posted on Wednesday, September 08, 2010 - 11:18 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Spidy: I have heard never bring up Politics or religion in a conversation.
WoW killed two birds with one stone.
COOOOL

You may want to read the real George Washington this is a read the book it's not a spin to change history. This book is fact's letters and quotes. One thing came at me time after time in the book. We did not have a chance in hell to win that war. You will only see that when you read the fact's. The only conclusion I could see time and time again God (Not alla)had to have something to do with it. Don't comment on this till you read the book. All the time's the Americans were spared to fight another day is amazing.
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Blake
Posted on Wednesday, September 08, 2010 - 11:52 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Steve (Slaughter):

>>> Who is offending Christians?

Christians may be offended when someone argues a moral equivalence of Christianity to islamism.

You don't watch television. Big respect for that. If you did, you'd witness a constant stream of ridicule and derision towards Christianity amid the effluent spewing forth from Hollywood.

Even Scientific American enjoins the miserableness.

It's pretty outrageous as is the petty minded book burning. Idiots! Morons!




Tony (Spiderman),

We both have muslim friends. The problem is not the good tolerant peaceable muslim folks. The problem is that Islam is not merely a religion, it's not just a doctrine of faith or a spiritual community. Islamism is totalitarianism. In EVERY islamist-fascist nation--there are many--women are treated no better than property; they are abused, oppressed, made to feel worthless. In EVERY islamist nation, no other religion is tolerated; renouncing islam for another religion earns you a death sentence. I have a friend, a fellow engineer, who cannot return home to Egypt to visit family. Why? Because he converted to Christianity. The islamists there in Egypt have targeted him for assassination should he ever set foot in his homeland again. These are the same folks who assassinated Anwar Sadat for recognizing the nation of Israel and for agreeing to peace with Israel.

History teaches that what happened to Lebanon will happen everywhere that islamists gain power and influence. They do so via their fellow voting muslims including moderates.

Re-establishment of the caliphate, institution of sharia law, enforcement of d'himmi.


School textbooks are one of the most crucial means by which a nation passes on to the younger generation a certain worldview, determined according to parameters set by the educational establishment. As such they open a window on to what the education system in a specific country wishes to instill in the students’ minds.



Founded in 1998, the CIPM has been researching the school textbooks and teacher guides of Middle Eastern countries since 2000 as a means of deciphering educational attitudes toward peace and toward the "Other" in general. It has issued 11 reports in this key field, in regard to the Palestinian Authority, Israel, Syria, Saudi Arabia and Egypt.

CMIP criteria of analysis:
1. The image of other peoples, religions and communities: Are they recognized, accepted as equal and respected; or are they presented in a stereotyped and prejudiced way?
2. Peace and the peace process: Does education foster peace? Does it support the peace process? Is there any room for improvement in this respect.



Let me start with the Saudi Arabian School textbooks: The CIPM survey broadened its perspective to include the Saudi Arabian outlook on Christianity and the West. The report also dealt with Saudi notions of government, women’s status and children’s rights as taught in schools. For the purpose of their research, 93 Saudi textbooks on various subjects for grades 1-10 (6 to 16 year-olds) were examined, mostly from the years 1999-2000, and some from 2001. All books except one were published by the Saudi Arabian Ministry of Education, the exception being a book issued by the female inspectors of the lower grades of girls’ education in the Riyadh Province.



The Report makes extremely distressing reading. Islam is presented as the only true religion, while all others are presented as false. Islam leads its followers to paradise, whereas all others lead their believers to destruction in hell. Saudi children are taught that they are superior, as Muslims, in both this world and the next. Christians and Jews are explicitly denounced as infidels, and are called the enemies of Islam and Muslims. They should not be befriended, nor emulated in any way, as this is forbidden. The West is the source of evil that has afflicted the Muslim world. Western democracy is totally rejected.



As for the Jews, they are a wicked nation, both in their relations with Arabs and Muslims, and in the context of world history. Their disappearance is, therefore, desirable. Even the fraudulent Protocols of the Elders of Zion still holds an honored place in the curriculum, for Grade 10 (2001), under: Hadith and Islamic Culture (pp. 103-04), with that classic of racial hatred by Abdullah Al-Tall, The Dangers of World Jewry (Arabic), cited as an authoritative work of reference (p. 81, in CMIP Report). Israel is not recognized and a Middle East peaceful solution is not advocated. Rather war, Jihad and martyrdom is exhorted as a religious duty .



A French edition of CMIP’s Report on Saudi Arabian schoolbooks (compiled, translated and edited by Dr. Arnon Groiss) has just been published: La démocratie en danger: l’enseignement scolaire saoudien (Paris: Berg International, 2004) with a preface by Antoine Sfeir, director of the Cahiers de l’Orient and author of Dictionnaire mondiale de l’Islamisme [Paris: Plon, 2002], in which he gives a grave warning:

“At a time when the Islamist terrorist threat to Europe is becoming clearer, it is urgent to fully understand one of its essential components: the Islamic Wahhabite ideology. This ideology, whose principal target is Western civilization – that is to say, democracy and modernity – is known only to a few specialists. It seems to be largely ignored by the media, as it is by the political class.”


The Report on Egypt surveys 103 textbooks published by the Education Ministry for use in primary, preparatory and secondary state schools, as well as 16 textbooks in preparatory and secondary schools under the supervision of the Al-Azhar Religious Institute. They cover the top five grades (7-11). The majority of the books were published in 2002, and the others, between 1999-2001. The books have been carefully scrutinized in accordance with specific criteria set by both UNESCO and CMIP.


A description of Jihad in Grade 11 from an al-Azhar religious schoolbook makes compelling reading, as do two other descriptions of Jihad in Egyptian State schools, Grade 9 & 10, that are also reproduced here, and in more detail in our written statement NGO/27 to the UN Sub-Commission:

“[One] of the rules derived by the [religious] scholars from these [Qur'anic] verses is the following: Obligation to fight the infidels with utmost vigor and power until they become weak, their state disappears and they submit to the rule of the law of Islam.” – Commentary, the Surahs of Muhammad, Al-Fath, Al-Hujurat & Qaf, Grade 11 (2002, pp. 312), p. 24 (al-Azhar)



And now two more ordinary quotations from books in the State schools:


“Jihad is honour. Inability to perform it is a cause for grief.”

– Islamic Education, Grade 10, (2002, pp. 111) p. 69 (State school)



“Jihad is one of Heaven's gates. Whoever desists from it willingly is humiliated by God...” – Arabic Literature: Literature, Texts, Eloquence, Grade 9, (2002, pp. 201) p. 144 (State school)



But it is once again the al-Azhar teaching that goes to the core of this gruesome subject. Pious justifications are offered to Grade 11 students concerning the reasons for beheading infidels:


“When you meet them in order to fight [them], do not be seized by compassion [toward them], but strike the[ir] necks powerfully…Striking the neck means fighting, because killing a person is often done by striking off his head…This expression contains a harshness and emphasis that are not found in the word “kill”, because it describes killing in the ugliest manner, “i.e. cutting the neck and making the organ – the head of the body – fly off [the body]” – Commentary on Surahs of Muhammad, Al-Fath, Al-Hujurat, Qaf, Grade 11 (2002), pp.19-20.


This was the tragic fate of Daniel Pearl in Pakistan 2 years ago and is now commonplace in Iraq, where about 130 foreigners have been abducted as hostages since April. 30 have been slaughtered, 20 – it is reported – being ritually beheaded by Abu Musab al-Zarkawi, to the shouts of “Allah u-Akhbar” by hooded adepts. One should note that al-Zarkawi studied for many years at al-Azhar University in Cairo.

Another passage explains to the future jihadist the sacred justification for this behavior:

“Encouraging the faithful to perform jihad in the path of Allah, to behead the infidels, take them prisoner, break their power, and make their souls ’s humble (…) You see that in His [Muhammad’s] words: “When you meet the unbelievers in the battlefield strike off their heads and, when you have laid them low, bind your captives firmly. Then grant them their freedom or take a ransom from them, until war shall lay down its burdens.” – Commentary, ibid, Grade 11 (2002), p. 9


It is well-known to scholars that beheading the infidel can be, and is often, associated by Islamic jurists with a warlike jihadist tactic. The classic text is from The Laws of Islamic Governance [al-Ahkam as-Sultaniyyah] by [Abu’l-Hasan] al-Mawardi, famous 11th century [Shafi’i] jurist of Baghdad – considered “The most judicious of Qadis.” (trans.into English by Cambridge University scholar, Dr. Asadullah Yate a Muslim; published by Ta-Ha Publishers Ltd. London, 1996, where the scriptural source is provided (p.76): “When you encounter those who deny [the Truth] then strike [their] necks.” - Qur’an 47:4).


I implore all to educate themselves not just in what islamism openly declares to its adherents, not just what the koran mandates, not only the teachings and admonitions of muhammed, islam's blessed prophet, but of the deplorable conditions to which non-muslim living in an islamist state are subjected.

Islamism is not merely religion just as Naziism was not merely philosophy.

Christianity had its reform.
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Blake
Posted on Wednesday, September 08, 2010 - 11:54 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Source for the above: http://archive.frontpagemag.com/Printable.aspx?Art Id=11185
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Sifo
Posted on Wednesday, September 08, 2010 - 12:25 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

One big difference between Christians and Muslims... Christian leaders will denouce the extremists who try to use the religion. Still waiting to hear from the major Muslim leaders about how 9/11 was wrong.

Vatican Says Koran Buring Would Be 'Outrageous'
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Johnnymceldoo
Posted on Wednesday, September 08, 2010 - 12:36 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Someone answer this question; were better offers made on the property where the victory community mosque is going before it was sold to the lower bidder that has it now?
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Reindog
Posted on Wednesday, September 08, 2010 - 12:43 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Johnny,

Mayor Bloomberg says that asking questions like that is tantamount to religious persecution. Please stop asking questions. People simply aren't interested in where the trains headed East are going.
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Sifo
Posted on Wednesday, September 08, 2010 - 12:47 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Someone answer this question; were better offers made on the property where the victory community mosque is going before it was sold to the lower bidder that has it now?

Yes.
http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2010/09/mosque_sale.h tml
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Slaughter
Posted on Wednesday, September 08, 2010 - 02:17 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Blake - it was a DELIBERATE play on words:

DE-fending ... implying that to be DE-Fended, it must have been FENDED.

Has Christianity been FENDED?

I'm wondering who had FENDED Christians in order that they be DE-Fended. Get it?

Play on words and all that.

...just adding to post count here, no attempt at relevance. Curious though how many of those who count themselves as among the RIGHTEOUS (religion or politics) have had their convictions changed by pundits on sportbike boards. Show of hands?

I'd rather screw with the language.
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Moxnix
Posted on Wednesday, September 08, 2010 - 02:56 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Perhaps the same number who count themselves amongst the Buell-righteous who have changed their brand by pundits on religion or politics threads.
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Blake
Posted on Wednesday, September 08, 2010 - 03:36 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Steve,

I've received kind comments from folks who appreciate some of the information they've learned about political issues here. I know I do. Information is good. Devisiveness not so much, which is what I think you are getting at. Sorry for misinterpreting your post.

I gotta go to the dentist. Arg.
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2008xb12scg
Posted on Wednesday, September 08, 2010 - 04:46 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Back to the OPs start. Burning books is stupid. A great man and woman (mom and dad) once said 2 wrongs don't make a right. So, realy, book burning? I'm not saying they need to build a Mosque there, but Don't complain when they burn your Bible if you're going to burn theres. The sad thing is that many Muslums do not want a religious war ( we can argue all day if it's a minority or majority) just like many Christians don't want a religious war. But many on both sides do. Scary to think after all this time we could go back to that.

I think I better start building my legions of naked dancing around the tree people..
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