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Gearheaderiko
Posted on Monday, March 31, 2008 - 11:47 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Hopefully this topic will aid in those wishing to use the XB12 engine sprocket and chain or just switch to the XB primary cover!
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Brandon
Posted on Friday, March 28, 2008 - 07:55 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Hi just bought a 2001 buell p3, I'm looking to get a higher top end at lower rpms by changing the 27 tooth sprocket to somthing higher. Does anyone know which company could provide some after market parts which could fit the transmission?
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Reuel
Posted on Friday, March 28, 2008 - 08:27 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

You would do better to look at a bigger primary crank shaft sprocket. You'd also need to get a different set of primary chains to match. I believe one of the BadWeb sponsors has different sized sprockets, but my memory fails me as to which company.
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Ezblast
Posted on Friday, March 28, 2008 - 10:03 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Use the XB12 chain and sprocket for the primary.
EZ
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Brandon
Posted on Friday, March 28, 2008 - 11:01 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Thanks guys does it matter what year those parts are or have they not changed?
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Ezblast
Posted on Saturday, March 29, 2008 - 12:36 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

2007 or earlier - I don't know about 2008 - if that sides the same - the other isn't! All for the better though.
EZ
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Berkshire
Posted on Saturday, March 29, 2008 - 10:16 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

"Use the XB12 chain and sprocket for the primary"

Here's the thing about that...

I bought the sprocket and chain and test-fitted with my primary cover.

At a minimum, you'd have to remove the chain guide (or whatever it's called - the big plastic piece in the top of the primary cover) because it won't fit with the larger engine sprocket.

Then there's the matter of the adjuster. Even if it could be assembled w/ stock adjuster, the chain would be hitting the front of the "shoe" more than laying across the top of it - likely it would get chewed up quickly.

Put these two things together, and it means swapping to the XB primary cover & adjuster. As far as I know, LaFayette is the only person running the XB12 engine sprocket & chain on a Blast, and he's also running the XB cover.
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Gearheaderiko
Posted on Sunday, March 30, 2008 - 08:34 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Thanks for the great info Berki.
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Ezblast
Posted on Monday, March 31, 2008 - 12:42 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

So noted and collected.

EZ
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Kmbuell
Posted on Monday, March 31, 2008 - 10:06 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Anybody know what XB primary cover will bolt on the Blast? The part number ending in -02 has on misplaced bolt center top that on the XB is raised up while the Blasts are all on in a line on the casting.
I've got an -02 XB cover at the powder coaters now that won't fit. Another XB cover came up real cheap on eBay, so I bought it. Never even checked the first one, "because it ought to fit". Always remember to check the fit before sending parts to be finished! Damn, I know that. Just can't follow my own rules when i get in a hurry.
Thanks for your help!
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Reuel
Posted on Monday, March 31, 2008 - 11:01 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Send buellistic a message. He should be able to give you good directions on all that stuff.
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Ezblast
Posted on Monday, March 31, 2008 - 01:43 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Buellistics Primary side - looks like it lines up to me.



EZ
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Kmbuell
Posted on Monday, March 31, 2008 - 03:10 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

How do we get a message to Buellistic? He's got the right part in this picture. I'm going to be at High Point Buell tomorrow and I'd like to try and identify the correct part.
Thanks!
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Gearheaderiko
Posted on Monday, March 31, 2008 - 03:24 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

http://www.badweatherbikers.com/cgibin/discus/boar d-profile.cgi?action=view_profile&profile=buellist ic-users

Click on his profile (above link) and send him a PM!
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Kmbuell
Posted on Monday, March 31, 2008 - 03:39 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Done! Now this really has my interest level up! Sure looks about right in the picture. Thanks for your help. I'm pretty sure I've seen his bike near Savannah, GA. Wonder if it's been at Reobling?
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Gbaz
Posted on Monday, March 31, 2008 - 04:28 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

What year primary cover gasket from a sportster will fit on a blast? 91-03 or 04 up? The bolt pattern is what im really Interested in... I remember seeing a thread that listed similar parts between the 2 models, but cant find it now...
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Kmbuell
Posted on Tuesday, April 01, 2008 - 03:15 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

None? They are all different from a Blast. Also different from XB as it turns out. Damn!
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Ezblast
Posted on Tuesday, April 01, 2008 - 03:26 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Explain this - Buellistic says this is an XB cover -



He may be grumpy and vague on points, but I don't think he's lying on this claim.

EZ
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Jlnance
Posted on Tuesday, April 01, 2008 - 03:46 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

One of his bolts doesn't line up though. He has a bolt head jbwelded into the hole. No leaks though.
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Kmbuell
Posted on Tuesday, April 01, 2008 - 05:28 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Mr Nance is correct. I've been corresponding with buellistic the last couple of days and his information is spot on! The center top bolt does not line up, and is filled for cosmetic reasons. Great job! He has a system to adjust the primary that looks very promising. Once I get mine back together I'm going to give it a try. No matter what, it cannot be any worse than the factory guessing method.
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Gearheaderiko
Posted on Tuesday, April 01, 2008 - 08:43 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The XB primary uses the same style of adjustment thats been used on Sportsters for 50 years! {Unless we now have another super secret primary adjustment!!!}
The advantage is with the inspection cover you can now more easily check adjustment and diagnose problems.
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Baggermike
Posted on Tuesday, April 08, 2008 - 10:45 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Hi guys I got a blast and do not understand why they do not have an oil filler hole,

I have to take off the foot peg assembly to get oil into the primary,

I do not understand the logic behind this, and from what I read an XB primary will fit except for one hole, let me know so I can start looking for a replacement.

I also just found out that the xb charging system has been down graded for the 08 motors,

they went from a 3 phase 38 amp 495 watts to a single phase 30 405 watt system and they came out with the xt sport tourer with this system?

I think it is to make more money from us,

what a P I T A it is to change primary oil.

Mike
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Ezblast
Posted on Tuesday, April 08, 2008 - 01:09 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Run her hot - drain her, add oil - 1 QT - through the breather line. Done.
EZ
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Baggermike
Posted on Tuesday, April 08, 2008 - 01:39 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Thanks Ezblast you just saved the day.

the blast I bought for my son and had been sitting for years,

a local dealership was selling it on ebay and the add read 2002 buell blast with only 6000 miles runs great for year and miles,

pictures looked good but when I picked it up it had been wiped out,

bought it as is and rode it home,

brakes did not work that good then in a rotory I slid and figured something was wrong and got home with oil and water foam all over the rear of the bike,

water in the primary trans mixed and heated expanded and came out the breather hose,

the bike has been nothing but trouble and I am sure this bike has allot more mile than 6000,

took several oil changes of the primary trans to get it working good and then driving it about 1000 miles and started getting the brakes back and clutch working properly,

bike had to be sitting for years when I drained the primary a couple of cups of water came out,

I bought it in November and still need work the rear wheel bearing just went on it,

I learned my lesson not to buy a bike with out riding it first,

I am a mechanic and was able to do the work and if say a student saved up enough money to buy this bike thinking it was a good running bike like the add said and had all these problems or if I or who ever bought the bike had wiped out because of all the oil on the rear tire things would have been very bad for the dealership,

the guy who sold it went to florida the next week,

probably his last sale,

I did get the owner to give me a heated jacket liner for my troubles and could not blame him because he did not sell it to me.

Anyway thanks for that tip, I am rebuilding the bike from parts off of ebay and should be a good winter bike for me.

I have the 1125r and having charging problems with that so the blast heats my gear really good so I will put dirt tires with studs for the winter,

I am a motorcycle only guy and my son to does not want to drive cars.

Mike
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Ezblast
Posted on Tuesday, April 08, 2008 - 02:23 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I've been following the 1125 area with great interest because a little bird said Buell may do a Rotax single - a 562 could be fun! - from what I've read - a good battery should be the cure - Buell has been notorious for shipping new bikes out with bad batteries. Happened with the Blasts as well.
EZ
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Reuel
Posted on Tuesday, April 08, 2008 - 05:43 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I think it's to make up for Blasts like mine. Bought in Feb, 2001. Every winter, it sits for months. Spring comes, and I go start it, ride it, warm it up, and change out all the fluids. The only times I've ever had to charge it is when I run it dead while working on my ignition project. Oh--and once when I accidentally turned the key one notch past the lock point, and didn't find out until the next day.
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Baggermike
Posted on Monday, September 01, 2008 - 03:31 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Hey guys back on the blast.

Ezblast what did you use to get the gear shifter setup, also I find the blast to be the must uncomfortable seats I have ever sat on do you have any suggestions? so far I have had it with the 1125r and either trading it for something else or stripping it and selling off the parts but I want to blast around on the blast but a 30 mile ride my ass hurts so I bought the low seat and same thing, the bike is dependable and heats all my heated gear so getting ready for the winter.

I found this thread looking for info on why buell down graded there charging system, I am going to see what the blast is and I have had problems with every Buell I have owned and if I new I could depend on a new Buell like the SS I would go for it but I feel me and buell do not go mix together like oil and water, so I think buell and me are done and I am going back to a Harley, I have ridden for 35 years and the only problems I have had are batteries going dead, I want something with good gas mileage, handling, and power,

I got a big bore kit and piston, screaming eagle cams for the blast a regular cv carb and thinking of having the head done or buying a thunderstorm high performance head.

Any info anyone can give me will help.

Thanks Guys.

Mike
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Damnut
Posted on Monday, September 01, 2008 - 03:59 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Mike if your going to sell the 1125R, PLEASE let me know. I may be interested, REALLY INTERESTED!!!!!!




The wife said I could have one but having 3 bikes and a Vespa, don't know if I have the room for another but I think I could find some space in the kitchen..............
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Gearheaderiko
Posted on Wednesday, September 03, 2008 - 01:19 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Change to a Corbin seat and different bars and it will be much better.

Go with a modified Blast head. An XB head (or XL 2004+) is a step up (but you dont have the right piston). A Thunderstorm head is a lateral move at best and wont have the proper mount points for the Blast (neither does the XB). Given your Buell bad luck, stick with what works and a modded Blast head will probably cost as much as the Thunderstorm.

PS If you've gotten little response to your query its probably because this isnt really the right section for it. The Thumper front page would do fine if in doubt.: )
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Baggermike
Posted on Wednesday, September 03, 2008 - 01:42 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Thanks Gearheaderiko I was thinking corbin or sargent and is my main compliant with the bike, will be going on the corbin website to see there seat the one I seen from sargent looked real nice.

Jim I am parting the 1125R out once I get a parts manual so I know what each part cost and then list them on ebay,

I have been told by a couple guys that I will get more money doing it this way but still going to wait for the lemon law to contact me and I am ordering the manuals so will give me time to get my act together. I took the uly for a ride tonight and liked it for real wourld street speeds it is a better bike.

I do not know but like the 09 SS but they down graded the charging system so not sure it will work for me? and my luck an buells has not been good but what are the chances of getting another bike that has problems?

Mike
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