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Jimidan
Posted on Friday, April 13, 2007 - 10:14 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Welcome to the unholy realm of "Debating with Liberals."

Didn't you mean "bald-headed liberals}"?
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Blake
Posted on Friday, April 13, 2007 - 10:43 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

"Blake is >REALLY, >REALLY white "

I thought my southern Italian blood--great grandfather Carmen Mazza immigrated to America from Calabria, Italy--would put me more in the in-between category. ;)

And, all of my motorcycles have been black. : D
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Greenlantern
Posted on Friday, April 13, 2007 - 10:51 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Well put GL. It sounds like you have an insight into something the (some of the) rest of us can't see. Imagine that...

Naw it's just the ring




By the way jim, good to see that you got past that speaking in the third person thing. i was worried!
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Jimidan
Posted on Friday, April 13, 2007 - 12:12 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I thought my southern Italian blood--great grandfather Carmen Mazza immigrated to America from Calabria, Italy--would put me more in the in-between category.

I would have thought so too...whut happened?}
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Jimidan
Posted on Friday, April 13, 2007 - 12:29 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

the constitution needs to be amended...

that little bit about "Freedom of Speech", it needs to have a few astericks after it.

ok, you are free to say what you choose unless you are caucasian american, straight, and believe in God...if you fall into that category, anything you say, can and probably will be held against you...you already supposedly have it made, so we (the ACLU, the NAACP, GLAD, etc.) can't allow you to say anything that makes us (the above groups) upset that "you" (straight, white, Christian) said something that we can say about ourselves, but it is demeaning and offensive if you say it.

ok everyone should be clear on this now


Yeah, we are perfectly clear on where you stand on this issue, you poor unfortunate straight, white, Christian. Blake, I couldn't just walk out of the room like you do...I am just not strong enough yet.

}on a similar note, about 6 or 7 years ago, i saw a guy (a huge guy) with a black shirt that had a white screen print on the front of a male figure (like the ones you see to show the mens room logo) bent over with another male figure behind it with the circle and a slash through it (the NO symbol) and on the back in huge white letters it said "AIDS...kills fags dead" (like the old Raid commercials), so after a few minutes i spoke to the guy and asked if he got a lot of comments on his shirt and he said "only positive ones". Funny how someone who clearly is showing his beliefs, which had to be incredibly offensive to lots of people, doesn't receive any negative comments to his face only positive ones.

Hey, nobody gave this red-neck homophobe any negative comments because they were afraid he would kick their "asterick", or worse. What does that prove and why do you say it is "funny"? Thanks for giving us this wonderful insight into how your brain works. We will be watching for you the next time you, er ah, that guy wears that shirt...
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Jimidan
Posted on Friday, April 13, 2007 - 12:32 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

GL,

By the way jim, good to see that you got past that speaking in the third person thing. i was worried!

Thanks, but it was just a reaction...they were talking about me like I wasn't even in the room!

jimidan}
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Greenlantern
Posted on Friday, April 13, 2007 - 12:52 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Thanks, but it was just a reaction...they were talking about me like I wasn't even in the room!

Cyber snobs, I would make a comment but then I would be racist.
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Blake
Posted on Friday, April 13, 2007 - 01:19 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I'm still wondering what it means to be ">REALLY, >REALLY white".
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Greenlantern
Posted on Friday, April 13, 2007 - 01:28 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I'm still wondering what it means to be ">REALLY, >REALLY white".








Just a guess?!?
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Xbrad9r
Posted on Friday, April 13, 2007 - 01:31 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

i got two words for anyone who truly believes that Imus should have been fired...

Dave Chappelle
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Xbrad9r
Posted on Friday, April 13, 2007 - 01:49 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

if you put 100 people in a room with headphones on and played the exact words Don Imus said, but told them it was an African American talkshow with an African American that was speaking and then asked them for their feedback.

then bring in 100 more people and do the same thing except this time tell them it is a white person who has his own radio show and the reporter was also white making the comment and then gauge the reaction.

IF IT IS WRONG FOR ONE PERSON TO SAY IT...IT IS WRONG FOR ALL !!!
the double standard is what pisses me off

the comments i made earlier in this post were wrong, so i removed them.
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Nedwreck
Posted on Friday, April 13, 2007 - 01:52 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Not even Albinos are really, really white.
No one is. No one is absolutely black, either.
We're all shades of brown.

I wonder what would happen if all the idiots who hate over skin tone would stop being idiots for one day and look at what's really wrong with this world we share. The really important things that need fixing in the worst way.

Thus endeth the lesson, Praise "Bob"!

Bob
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Court
Posted on Friday, April 13, 2007 - 03:50 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

>>>>the double standard is what pisses me off

Kinda what I was thinkin' last night when the dude singing on VH-1 suggested "die honky".

I felt "scared for life".

I hope he gets fired from rapping.
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Buellinachinashop
Posted on Friday, April 13, 2007 - 04:33 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

This sums it up.......



"The most racist people are old black men! He went through real racism back them. He couldn't go through that "I-can't-get-a-cab" thing. Back then, he WAS the cab! A white man jump on his back, "Main Street!"

Chris Rock, Bigger and Blacker, 1999
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Rainman
Posted on Friday, April 13, 2007 - 04:38 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Gerald Ford, America's Whitest Man 1976
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Jimidan
Posted on Friday, April 13, 2007 - 04:49 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Have you ever seen the movie "White Chicks"...pretty funny stuff. Why did the humor work? Because they were making fun of the stereotypes of tall, leggy blondes. Can you imagine a movie where two white dudes dress up like "Black Chicks" and burn through some "Oh no you di-n't" humor? Why wouldn't the humor work?

These issues should be part of the dialogue that is going on right now in this country...but they are not.

jimidan
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Xbrad9r
Posted on Friday, April 13, 2007 - 05:14 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

there is a phrase i am sure you have all heard before, called "playing the race card"...the reason the dialogue you are referring to J-dan will not take place, is because that would be like turning in the "race card" so that you couldn't play it again later when you needed it.

My personal opinion and if i am wrong for expressing it, then one of the adminastrators can remove the following statement...
Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton have two of the biggest "s#!t stirring stick's" in America and always stir enough to get it really stinky but not hard enough to get it on themselves...i think they were stinking up the Duke "rape" scandal when it started, but i don't think they ever apologized did they after the truth came out.
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Court
Posted on Friday, April 13, 2007 - 06:01 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Don't be dissing leggy blondes and make me come have to hurt you . . . I live in a city plum chuck full of'em. . .


Don't make me hurt you
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Pammy
Posted on Friday, April 13, 2007 - 06:04 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Maybe in order to be part of the club your ancestors would have had to suffer through centuries of being treated as beasts."
"

"Nonetheless, in colonial and early-19th century America, as elsewhere in the world, women commonly were regarded as inferior beings. Their children, property, and earnings belonged by law solely to their husbands, and various legal and social barriers made divorce almost unthinkable. In most respects American women were legally on a par with criminals, the insane, and slaves."

(Black MEN were free and were allowed to vote by this time)

Now I am not complaining that women have it bad these days, but I would just like to add some relativity to the conversation. Everyone can claim "victim" for some injustice that has been done to 'one's people' at some point in history.

By the way...the comments on the Imus radio show, were quoted from a Spike Lee movie called School Daze. A musical about predjudice between light-skinned and dark-skinned african americans.

Personally, I don't want to be in a club that is "allowed" to demonstrate predjustice against another without question.

Of course...everyone knows that boys have cooties!(and they stink)(even the smilies are de-segregated...)
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Buellinachinashop
Posted on Friday, April 13, 2007 - 06:50 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)


Hey? I'm Imus

(Message edited by BuellinaChinashop on April 14, 2007)
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Chainsaw
Posted on Friday, April 13, 2007 - 10:40 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

When white men start griping about reverse discrimination, I pretty much gotta leave the room. It's an absurd idea.

In my elementary and middle school in Memphis, TN, white folks accounted for 2% of the student body. Kids hated me because of the color of my skin. Those kids used the N word liberally, and had no qualms about insulting my racial heritage. At 10 years old, what had I done in my short life to deserve this kind of treatment? I suspect if you had a similar experience, you would gain some first hand perspective and KNOW that reverse discrimination exists.

During the Civil War, there were about 350,000 slave owners in America, and about 350,000 Union Soldiers died fighting to free them, out of about 2.2 million who served. Why do some folks see a white man as a descendant of a slave owner, and not the descendant of a freedom fighting abolitionist, when it's six times more likely my ancestors fought to free slaves????
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Nevrenuf
Posted on Saturday, April 14, 2007 - 07:41 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

some people just want to live in the past in stead of just remembering it so it doesn't happen in the future.
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Johnnylunchbox
Posted on Saturday, April 14, 2007 - 08:33 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Someone mentioned Howard Stern... HS and his staff have used the N word before, but believe it or not the term was used academically, for lack of a better term. On their show the term has never been used to refer to any person. The evil does not lie in the mere act of uttering the word. The evil lies in the hate when it is directed at a person and the underlying malicious intent is obvious.
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Johnnylunchbox
Posted on Saturday, April 14, 2007 - 08:39 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Chainsaw, there is no such thing as reverse discrimination. It is just plain discrimination. Everybody is affected by it - some more than others. Hate knows no color. Using the term "reverse" to me kind of implies that only white people should be doing the hating, and any hate that is returned because of that is somehow justified. Not sure if I said that right.
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Blake
Posted on Saturday, April 14, 2007 - 10:06 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Even in jest, even with a smiley, at no time will I ever perceive as acceptable the referring to any woman as a "ho", certainly never in a public forum.

If it were me, I'd be editing that post to remove that comment.
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Buellinachinashop
Posted on Saturday, April 14, 2007 - 10:11 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Done.

(Message edited by BuellinaChinashop on April 14, 2007)
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Regkittrelle
Posted on Saturday, April 14, 2007 - 10:39 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Good threads eventually reach a point where anything more said is simply "me to-ism." The 'lunchbox's last two posts effectively sums and states.
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Ryker77
Posted on Saturday, April 14, 2007 - 10:53 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Jimidan says "Hey, nobody gave this red-neck homophobe ...."

So it's ok to bash on a white person and use racist comments. But dare somebody to say nappy?
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Chainsaw
Posted on Saturday, April 14, 2007 - 11:47 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

...It is just plain discrimination.

Good point! My experiences make me especially intolerant of double standards...speaking of which...



I'm curious why Imus apologized to Sharpton/on Sharpton's show? It's not like the Reverend apologized to the Duke Lacrosse team. IIRC, he was involved in a protest within days of their accusation. In fact, 80 or so Duke faculty members took out a full page ad in the local paper condemning the team. I wonder if they spent the dough to print a heart felt "sorry".

Shortly after the initial accusations, a town meeting was held near Duke. A young lady stood up and told the crowd, "You know what would happen if this story involved a black man and a white woman." Matter of fact, I do know. As I recall, Kobe Bryant was accused of rape a year earlier, and as I recall, he was widely regarded as 'innocent until proven guilty'. It seems no one was willing to give Lacrosse players the benefit of the doubt. Was it because they play Lacrosse and not basketball, because of their skin color, or because of their 'social status'?

I have a great amount of respect for the late Dr. Matin Luther King Jr. He was a man who truly believed in equality. I find myself wondering what this country would be like if the bullet had missed him nearly 40 years ago. I'm fairly certain he would have nothing to do with the modern day Sharpton, Jackson, and the NAACP. That organization was taking out full page ads in the 1960's condemning MLK for his 'radical' views on desegregation. I think it's odd that a group that turned their backs on him while he was alive, are so quick to praise him now that he's gone....but I digress..
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Becksbuell
Posted on Saturday, April 14, 2007 - 04:03 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

At the start of this thing did we catch a glimpse of Snuffy? Where'd he go? Rotzaruck thinks maybe he's his cousin.



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Ezblast
Posted on Saturday, April 14, 2007 - 04:08 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

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Jimidan
Posted on Sunday, April 15, 2007 - 09:27 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Note: "red-neck homophobe" is NOT race or gender specific in my dictionary. I calls 'em like I see's 'em. FYI, there are black red-neck homophobes.

So there
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Jimidan
Posted on Sunday, April 15, 2007 - 09:30 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I don't know why folks try and compare the Imus issue and the Duke issue...
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Ryker77
Posted on Sunday, April 15, 2007 - 10:12 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

So nappy hair could also be claimed NOT race or gender specific by jimidan's dictionary.

The Duke case was an issue becuase the media and the Jackson/Sharpton crew inserted color into the justice system.
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Frankfast
Posted on Sunday, April 15, 2007 - 10:23 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I think the Duke players may have inserted race into the sex issue.

(Message edited by frankfast on April 15, 2007)
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Nevrenuf
Posted on Sunday, April 15, 2007 - 11:02 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

should my friend back in pitts be offended by the nappy hair remark when he is totally white but has nappier hair than most black people out there as does his father and uncle and it is not a perm either.
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