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     Wile_ecoyote |
Amen Buellinachinshop! Respect yourselves and others too. Education goes a long way to learning that respect. When I was in combat I knew who was really there for me and who wasnt. Unfortunately it didnt have a thing to do with "pigment". It boils down to the individual. Idiots like Imus and the clown that played Kramer only degrade us all. | ||
| Terribletim |
See thats the problem. What is it that makes him an idiot? Is it because he said those words? Or is it because he thought that it was ok? Either way, the problem boils down to who is "in the club" and who is not.
And there is the real answer! End of story. So he is not an idiot, he just gets punished for using a phrase he is not allowed to use. If "white america" is not allowed to use certain words, isn't that a little racist in itself? The end result is you have one group of people telling another group of people what they can and can not say.
Think about what I just said, and tell me what makes it right that "the club" can dictate what someone can and can not say. My son hangs out with a lot of black kids, listens to rap, shoots hoop with them, all that (even the baggy pants, ugh). But you better believe that if his white butt used any of the forbidden words, they would turn on him like a doberman! How is that right? And how is it not reverse discrimination? Now, remember, this is only my opinion. I'm not calling anyone anything. Just pointing out a couple solid questions. | ||
| Frankfast |
Like Blake said - "When white men start griping about reverse discrimination, I pretty much gotta leave the room. It's an absurd idea." Maybe in order to be part of the club your ancestors would have had to suffer through centuries of being treated as beasts. | ||
| Jimidan |
Maybe in order to be part of the club your ancestors would have had to suffer through centuries of being treated as beasts. I don't know...Carlos Mancia (Comedy TV)seems to be in the club. Is it because he is brown? Is it because he is a self-described "beaner"? Does this mean that as the largest racial minority in the US, that the Mexicans are the new N-words? This is getting complicated. jimidan} (Message edited by jimidan on April 12, 2007) | ||
| Djkaplan |
No one is going to change anyone's mind on this thread, that's for sure. "See thats the problem. What is it that makes him an idiot? Or is it because he thought that it was ok? Either way, the problem boils down to who is "in the club" and who is not." Imus is an idiot. It's because he said those words, and it's because he thought it would be OK. Only a freaking idiot would think he could get away with that rhetoric, not just about blacks, but about women, too. Anyone who thinks what he said only caused a furor because of 'reverse discrimination' or because he 'isn't in the club' is in an indefensible position, in my opinion. He said something really stupid and mean. He's in a position for a lot of people to hear what he says. It wasn't political correctness that hanged him; it was the stupid, mean things he said, the words that came out of his mouth. Is it unfair that Blacks aren't treated the same way for saying stupid crap? Sure it is, but things aren't equal and fair for everyone, all the time. Never have been, never will be. I have no love for Al Sharpton (at all), but it was fun hearing him go after Imus on the radio and to hear Imus's outrage at the rhetoric being spewed at him. Apparently his thought process is on a one way street... like a lot of other people's. | ||
| Tommy_black_shark |
"Maybe in order to be part of the club your ancestors would have had to suffer through centuries of being treated as beasts." If what happened to your ANCESTORS is a determinant of what YOU can get away with or be compensated for, or that YOU should get preferential treatment we are looking at a very big club. My Armenian ancestors were the victims of Turk genocide, my Irish ancestors were oppressed for hundreds of years by the English, and then emigrated to the US to be treated as sub-human beast of burden. My Sicilian ancestors were conquered by just about everybody with a boat. Enduring the requisite rape and pillage that went along with conquest in those days. In the USA I'm just another white southern male trying to get by. Some folks try to slide by claiming "victim" status. The Imus case is a typical example of the hypocrisy in the whole discussion. Where are the apologies from the "Rev's" Jackson or Sharpton to the Duke lacrosse players? | ||
| Terribletim |
As long as we keep that in mind, everything is good.
So by your own description, the list of people who are idiots and should lose their job include - Snoop Dog 50cent Ludacris Dre. Dre Nelly Wyclef Ice-T Wu-Tang Clan Outkast And the list goes on and on. If you think they are not in a position for a lot of people to hear what they say, you better stop and think about it. Tell me how you would feel when teen boys come over to see your teen daughter (I have 2) and the boys treat them the way they see women treated in these videos and in these songs. When you see a teen boy tell your 14yr old daughter "suck my d**k, ho!" because he heard it in a song, then you can come crying to me about what's right and what's wrong. So should they not lose their jobs? No, because they are all "in the club". How is that right? Yes, my thought process in on a one way street. The one that leads to my daughters NOT ending up a drugged up hooker. In the end, it goes back to . . .
That would be why the "Rev's" both got taken to task about the lyrics in "their own club's" songs. | ||
| Terribletim |
Now, if you want a good chuckle. . . http://rapstarname.com/ | ||
| Jimidan |
Dj sez Anyone who thinks what he said only caused a furor because of 'reverse discrimination' or because he 'isn't in the club' is in an indefensible position, in my opinion. He said something really stupid and mean. He's in a position for a lot of people to hear what he says. It wasn't political correctness that hanged him; it was the stupid, mean things he said, the words that came out of his mouth. I respectfully disagree with part of your statement, and offer this slight rebuttal. The furor was predominantly because Imus was not in the exclusive black "club" (i.e. having at least one discernible African physical attribute). How do I know? Well, in part because I was given limited membership (only with folks I knew very well) into the club myself, back in the day. Plus, I hang with black folks all the time now. I am a trained observer of human behavior. Sure, the parody was in very bad taste and was both racist and sexist...but black comedians, rappers, entertainers, etc. all use the public airwaves to spread this kind of message all the time with NO ramifications. Women are routinely called "hos" (but only in the nicest ways) in the entertainment business and on the street...this is nothing new. Have you watched BET lately...I watch it all the time. When I go to my daughter's house, that is about all they have on the TV, plus I watch it at home. It's on right now. Hey, I am not going to tell you that I don't like watching those voluptuous black women in the videos on 'BET Now'. That would be a bald-faced lie. But that same message that Imus crossed the line with (that black women are sex objects that are ready, willing and able to be used by men) is permeating the airwaves on BET, MTV, HBO and many other public airways by those in the club. That is why it was the height of hypocrisy when BET's general manager was on MSNBC this morning saying that there is NO double standard involved here. Sheeeitte. It is getting interesting though. I think the industry is giving up Imus (the dude is old and about at the end of his career anyway), but it will extract its pound of flesh on the material content that all entertainers (including blacks) are allowed to use on FCC regulated stations}. They certainly have the heavy hitters from the black community behind them. This incident has shocked the nation, so as when that has occurred before, there will be fallout. The White House has even issued a statement on it. Don't be surprised to see a bunch of new regulations or even Congress get involved. Wouldn't it be a hoot if Damon Wynans couldn' perform his white boy routines any more because of this? I don't think that they will go THAT far, but ya' never know. jimidan | ||
| Djkaplan |
"So by your own description, the list of people who are idiots and should lose their job include..." You are only taking a part of what I said and expecting me to defend just that part... I also said this; "Is it unfair that Blacks aren't treated the same way for saying stupid crap? Sure it is, but things aren't equal and fair for everyone, all the time. Never have been, never will be." Using only a part of what someone says is taking things out of context (an easy ploy in any argument). Should those people you mention lose their jobs for spewing the same idiotic rhetoric as Imus... sure, in a perfect world they should be, by my values at least. I never said they shouldn't... and I'm a bit perturbed by you taking a little bit of what I said and inferring that I did. "Tell me how you would feel when teen boys come over to see your teen daughter (I have 2) and the boys treat them the way they see women treated in these videos and in these songs." If a kid came to my house and spewed that kind of language in front of me or my family, there wouldn't be any discussion... at all. I sure as hell wouldn't blame it on whatever they were listening to... I'd blame his parents for raising a lout. Course, he'd be hearing that from the street because he wouldn't be allowed withing 50ft of the door. Mabye you should consider the same. Society and the radio didn't raise that kid; his parents did. | ||
| Djkaplan |
"Well, in part because I was given limited membership (only with folks I knew very well) into the club myself, back in the day. Plus, I hang with black folks all the time now. I am a trained observer of human behavior." I've lived my entire life as a person of 'color'. I don't think that makes what I say any more valid than what you have to say. It kind of makes me upset that you think you have an insight into something the rest of us can't see. This is my last response on the subject. I'll continue to read everyones posts, but I said what I wanted to say. | ||
| Greenlantern |
 OH DEARRR....OH DEARRRRR!!! WE'RE DOOMED, DOOMED I TELL YOU! Imop Imus was stupid for speaking before thinking, If he had just chuckled @ his sidekicks remark instead of adding to it we would probably still be talking about Snuffy Smith right now. Imus though IS an idiot for apologizing for what he said in the first place. By doing so he basically admitted doing something wrong and threw himself on the mercy of the court! If he had explained to those who found his remarks offensive that what they heard as a racial slight was just him doing his homeboy rap (very poorly), the pitiless masses who are so quick to condemn and punish just to get their daily fix of "righteous moral victory" would probably have been resigned to some Popeye type muttering and that would have been that. It scares me that we live in a society were we can punish a celebrity harshly for poor judgment in speech yet cannot convict them of murder (and i'm not just talking about O.J. either).  | ||
| Blake |
"It kind of makes me upset that you think you have an insight into something the rest of us can't see." Welcome to the unholy realm of "Debating with Liberals." | ||
| Terribletim |
Djkaplan - Don't get upset. Like I said, just my opinion. What do I know? As far as taking your words out of context, not really. You are the one that stated "Anyone who thinks what he said only caused a furor because of 'reverse discrimination' or because he 'isn't in the club' is in an indefensible position" and then went on to contradict yourself with "Is it unfair that Blacks aren't treated the same way for saying stupid crap? Sure it is, but things aren't equal and fair for everyone, all the time" So in the end you pointed out how 'reverse discrimination' is a reality. Anyway, like you I quit. This topic is going nowhere. See ya' on the tires! Peace Brother! (can I say that?) | ||
| Greenlantern |
Peace Brother! (can I say that?) Only to white protestant males in private, after 7:00p.m.  | ||
| Buellshyter |
As an avid listener of talk radio, I can say I've heard far worse from both black and white talk show hosts. I havent listened to Howard Stern in many a moon but I do recall the "n" word being used rather frequently in a variety of contexts. I also know I can tune to so-called black stations and hear diatribes against whites. Personally, I'd rather see more open and frank discussion then a stifling of opinion, whether or not it's repugnant. | ||
| Azxb9r |
I dont care for Imus, so I dont listen to him. If it was not for the media storm, I would not even know that he had made that comment. I doubt that any of the Rutgers players would have heard it either. I am not defending Imus, what he said was in poor taste,but... if the media had not made such a big deal about it, the number of people offended would have been much smaller. The stupid thing is that all the publicity just gets Imus more attention. There is no "bad" publicity in the entertainment business. | ||
| Ryker77 |
Never listed to or watched Imus before. But at least now I know is name. Do any of you Buell go to non-buell chat boards? My point is birds of a feather flock together. But ONLY in America is there such diversity. | ||
| Buellinachinashop |
He got canned today! CBS fired him | ||
| Rainman |
I have little sympathy for him. I cannot imagine in a private or public setting, talk about money-grubbing Jews, idol-worshiping Catholics, Papal spy Italians or slimey (enter whatever ethnic group you wish) greasballs. There is no way he did not know that nappy-headed hos was inappropriate. He's not that stupid. Um, I suppose I could be wrong about that last statement. | ||
| Frankfast |
"My Armenian ancestors were victims of Turk genocide" If I were you I'd ask the Turkish government for reparations. Being the "good liberal" and giving the black man the benefit of the doubt I admit that the job I now have probably would not be given to a person of color. How many of you God-fearing white folk would confess the same? Don Imus is an ass and should have been canned a long time ago for being stupid. | ||
| Ryker77 |
Who wants to bet XM or sirus radio has allready offered him a job? Probably for more money! | ||
| Wile_ecoyote |
He is an idiot because he thought he could say what he did. If there is a "club" I dont want to be part of it. I expect to be treated as I treat you. It all goes back to being a respectful, responsible and RATIONAL human being. He's in the lime light (or was), what makes him think he can say anything about a nappy headed ho? Would you if in his shoes. Lets see, Im 60 something pushing 70 and WHITE. How can I say this? That is what a person of integrity would do. END OF STORY | ||
| Tommy_black_shark |
Frankfast wrote: "My Armenian ancestors were victims of Turk genocide" If I were you I'd ask the Turkish government for reparations. Nope, I wasn't even born. I am not owed anything because of evils done to my grandparents. Thats the point of the "victim" mentality I'll bet within a year there will be a prominent "person of color" that makes some sort of vicious anti-white, anti-Semitic, anti-Asian, anti-woman or anti-Christian remark in public. They will not apologize, they will put the blame on some oppressor and then the liberal apologists will appear. We will then be told that just like kiddie porn, the most repugnant speech is what needs protection the most. | ||
| Ndfront |
whats worse is the rev .jesse is married and has a kid by another woman. i guess rev.sharp"tongue" forgave him and he forgave himself huh? i thought preachers were here to forgive people for sinning including imus | ||
| Nevrenuf |
ryker, i was thinking the same thing. just like howard stern and bubba the love spounge from down here in tampa. created a media circus and went on to a better paying job where it would be alot harder to get fired for saying something out of context. | ||
| Jimidan |
Snap! So the media moguls have given up Imus and thrown him under the bus. That was the right move, but is there anything good to come from this reaction to Imus's obvious parody of bro's in da' hood? But like I said, if black folks really don't want white American to use these terms, they need to stop making them household words...they aren't the only ones listening. | ||
| Bomber |
Jimi asks -- is there anything good to come from this reaction to Imus's obvious parody of bro's in da' hood? you know the answer to that -- of course not -- we live in a time when many are attached to feeling like victems, including conservative white men ;-} who knew? | ||
| Jimidan |
Dj sez I've lived my entire life as a person of 'color'. I don't think that makes what I say any more valid than what you have to say. It kind of makes me upset that you think you have an insight into something the rest of us can't see. Well bro, if that is true and you don't know about the "club", then I guess you should be upset! You must be SOOOO not jellin'... Hell, I'm white and they let me in. Blake is >REALLY, >REALLY white and they let him in too. jimidan | ||
| Jimidan |
Greenlantern sez: Imus though IS an idiot for apologizing for what he said in the first place. By doing so he basically admitted doing something wrong and threw himself on the mercy of the court! If he had explained to those who found his remarks offensive that what they heard as a racial slight was just him doing his homeboy rap (very poorly), the pitiless masses who are so quick to condemn and punish just to get their daily fix of "righteous moral victory" would probably have been resigned to some Popeye type muttering and that would have been that. Well put GL. It sounds like you have an insight into something the (some of the) rest of us can't see. Imagine that...  jimidan} |
