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Mabueller
Posted on Tuesday, April 11, 2006 - 12:22 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I ran into the same issue. It turns out the mechanic "in back" had a draw full of tops that he was willing to share. I used locktite to secure the top to, well really, the top threads.

Good luck, <Jim
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Marijane0569
Posted on Tuesday, April 11, 2006 - 09:39 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I can't see the non-resistor plug causing any problems on your bike. I have not ever heard of a non-resistor plugnot working because the coil was used originally w/ resistor plugs.

However if you do decide to run that non-resistor plug for awhile, be carefull of how you pass people. Some people just are not real receptive to hearing you bike fire through thier radios(ie. local law enforcement). Ever have someone run down the road close by you and you start getting static on your radio? Resistor plugs and non-solid core wire were designed to eliminate that problem.

Most of the old school car guys know this fact.


"MJ"
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Gearheaderiko
Posted on Wednesday, April 12, 2006 - 01:55 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

While I agree there shouldnt be a problem, for some reason there is a lot of concern (in parts books and manuals) about using the correct coils with the correct plugs and correct wires in the different HD/Buell bikes. I havent found the specific reason why yet (beyond just recommended replacing with original equipment).
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Mabueller
Posted on Thursday, May 25, 2006 - 12:21 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

So, I picked up a Splitfire TP 416D from Whitney. Is this the correct plug or did I get the wrong one? Does anyone know the correct gap?

Bueller???
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Ezblast
Posted on Thursday, May 25, 2006 - 12:58 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

0.040 to 0.044 is stock if I remember - check the Maint. Manual?
Got Thump?!
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Gearheaderiko
Posted on Thursday, May 25, 2006 - 09:38 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

SF416D is the correct #. I do not know what the TP stands for, it may not make a difference.
.038-.043 gap.
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Buellistic
Posted on Thursday, May 25, 2006 - 07:12 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

IMHO 0.030 inch !!!
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Ezblast
Posted on Thursday, May 25, 2006 - 09:22 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Why? Although the Race irridium I run are almost half again that - lol

(Message edited by ezblast on May 25, 2006)
Got Thump?!
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Mabueller
Posted on Monday, May 29, 2006 - 06:17 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The TP is for Triple Platinum.
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Gearheaderiko
Posted on Tuesday, May 30, 2006 - 02:39 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

mmmm..triple platinum...I guess they'll work then!
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Mabueller
Posted on Tuesday, May 30, 2006 - 11:16 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I installed the TP plug over the weekend. Now it really goes Vrrooomm!
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Ezblast
Posted on Tuesday, May 30, 2006 - 11:44 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Iridium plug (IXU01-27) - I've been running these now for a bit - just before the SLO ride - I ran the regular Irridium before and they are top knotch, however, these really give you the bang for the buck - lol - there was a marked difference in performance and the other plugs where only a few thousand miles old and already TOL by reputation. Could this power be measurable - probably, however, since the first thing I noticed is the louder hit in both bikes and the bit crisper response as well - convinced me - without ever even putting them on a dyno - lol - when I was first told that these would practically fire in oil - I was skeptical - but I finally stepped up to them and long term response is I'm still impressed - lol - everything is solid hitting and these puppies I probably won't change till next year - usually every 4 months has been my habit - I believe in keeping everything fresh.
Got Thump?!
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Berkshire
Posted on Monday, June 26, 2006 - 10:32 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

For reasons mentioned above, I decided not to use the non-resistor plug. I ended up ordering a pro-series plug, p/n 32822-01Y, also known as HDB12P. It's a splitfire triple platinum type.

Due to the pointy shape of the platinum parts and the dual "sideways" gaps of the splitfire arrangement, I used a wire gauge instead of a regular feeler gauge - that way I could put it in there perpendicular to either gap for a true measurement.

Out of the box, the "left" and "right" gaps were different, meaning the tip needed to be bent sideways to center the two "split" electrodes over the center one.

My stock 10R12 plug has a 1-piece tip at the plug wire end, but the PS has a screw-on tip, so I screwed it on and dropped some loctite thru the hole.

edit: My old plug just has H-D and 10R12 on it - no "A" at the end

The PS plug has an 11/16" hex instead of 5/8" like the stock one. I wasn't too thrilled about that little detail, since I have three plug sockets that are 5/8", and none that are 11/16"...

I don't know if it makes any more power than the stock plug, but don't think it makes any less! It might help a little when I get some higher compression.

(Message edited by Berkshire on June 26, 2006)
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Mabueller
Posted on Sunday, March 18, 2007 - 11:14 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

EZblast, Do you find the IXU01-27 worth the $35 a piece Vs a standard Iridium NGK?

Also sparkplugs.com is showing both a NGK DCPR8EIX and a NGK KR8AI for the Blast in Iridium. I can't tell the difference in the spec's. Any idea which is correct?

TIA, <Jim
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Ezblast
Posted on Monday, May 28, 2007 - 06:28 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

10R12A - DPR9EA9 - X27EPR-U9 - IX27B - IXU01-27

That cross reference will keep you in the correct heat range for the engine that you want, 8 and lower heat ranges are considered hot, and hot and an intake leak spell melted engine - lol


Iridium racing, 12mm thread, 19mm reach, 16mm(5/8") hex, gasket seat, 51mm height, 0.4mm iridium center electrode, diagonal 0.8mm platinum ground, resistor, .024" gap
mproved Acceleration

Unbeatable acceleration performance on the circuit.
With an ultra-fine, 0.4 mm diameter center electrode, IRIDIUM RACING plugs are the realization of superb ignition performance and spark voltage at unparalleled levels. Misfires have been controlled and will allow you to have steadily high levels of response and increased acceleration



Improved Horse Power

More power with an ideal combustion cycle.
Through superb ignition performance and spark voltage, non-firing and misfires under a variety of conditions has been greatly reduced. As a result, combustion conditions have improved dramatically, increasing engine output.



Specification Includes Terminal
Included with the plug comes with a terminal nut compatible to the Nology Hot Wire and most plug cords around the world. Please remove for vehicle types that do not require terminals. ( Some plugs have solid terminal. Please refer to the list. )

Built-in, Highly Reliable Resister
All IRIDIUM RACING plugs specify a resistor, and contain a highly reliable monolithic-type resistor that blocks noise that may affect electronic devices. (IW06 has no resistor.)

Highly Corrosion Resistant, Burnished Nickel Plating
Burnished nickel plating on the housing, a high level of corrosion resistance has been realized. Also, because the amount on the threads is low, the damage to the female thread in the cylinder is reduced.


Insulators for Racing
By using a new, strengthened insulator which was developed during numerous and repeated testing during racing trials, strength is improved by 20%.

All-Platinum Ground Electrode
Compared to the nickel alloy used in conventional spark plugs, the high melting point of platinum will reduce such problems as ground electrode melting and wear. Also, the 0.8mm platinum alloy is welded on and gapped without any bending, reducing residual stress and increasing durability.

0.4 mm Diameter. Ultra-Fine Iridium Center Electrode
The center electrode tip is able to be made fine using a new iridium alloy with a high melting point. The required voltage is reduced, and ignitability is improved greatly. This new iridium alloy's material composition, manufacturing method * 1, and welding method * 2 have been patented.

* 1 The addition of rhodium to improve high temperature oxidation resistance:
Japan Patent 2877035, UK Patent 2302367, People's Republic of China Patent 961022841, Republic of Korea Patent 0292083, U.S.A. Patent 6094000/6262522

* 2 Using a melting method instead of the conventional sintering method.
Japan Patent 3000955, U.S.A. Patent 5977695

Spark Cleaning Pocket

Between the center electrode and the insulator, a small pocket has been opened around the tip clearance. When there is carbon fouling or deposition, this part will discharge and burn off the carbon, restoring electrical resistance. This technology is patented by DENSO (Japan Patent No. 2727558)

Silicone Oil Coating
During the start of the race, non-starting from carbon fouling and carbon deposits can be fatal. To stop this, the insulator has been coated with a silicone coating. Using the water repellency of silicone, the insulator surface is isolated from moisture and carbon, preventing a decrease in resistance.

Housing End Face Chamfer
To improve the tolerance to abnormal combustion conditions, the housing end face chamfer has been enlarged. Be covered for slight inaccuracies in tuning. Also, because the exhaust of residual gas and the flow of new gas have been facilitated, its self-cleaning performance has been improved, making this a carbon fouling resistant design.


360° Laser Welding
The process used to join the iridium tip is a highly reliable "All-around Laser Welding * 1" process that is able to withstand various kinds of driving conditions.
application/pdf
iri.pdf (1611.2 k)

GT - JBOTDS! EZ
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Buellistic
Posted on Monday, May 28, 2007 - 07:29 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

What about:

CHAMPION-RA2HC(900)-------------------COLD
CHAMPION-RA4HC(905)
CHAMPION-RA6HC(809)-HD10R12
CHAMPION-RA8HC(810)-HD6R12------------HOT

Wal-Mart 8810 equals HD6R12 and RA8HC(810)

In BLASTing
LaFayette
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Ezblast
Posted on Monday, May 28, 2007 - 09:06 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

CHAMPION-RA6HC(809)- IXU01-24 = 6R12 so that is an incorrect reference. The plug also references to the DPR9 - thus the confusion - but most of those referenced fall into the hotter side.
http://www.sparkplugs.com/results_cross.asp?pid=RA6HC&crossManID=20&mfid=&seenCrossWarning=1
GT - JBOTDS! EZ


(Message edited by ezblast on May 28, 2007)
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Buellistic
Posted on Monday, May 28, 2007 - 09:43 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Ezblast :

"i" have found that sometimes the other brand spark plugs will fall one or two
in between the CHAMPIONS and that is what
is called fine tuning ...

In BLASTing
LaFayette
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Gearheaderiko
Posted on Tuesday, May 29, 2007 - 01:57 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Champion spark plugs are right up there with Dunlop tires in my book.
Once they fouled, they were done!
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Mar_wilmington
Posted on Saturday, June 09, 2007 - 12:37 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

So #5887 NGK Iridium 10R12 heat range (which I think should make it NGK DCPR9) from American Sport Bike is the proper iridium plug for the blast and since it's not denoted with an A it doesn't have added sealing?

(Message edited by mar_wilmington on June 09, 2007)
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Ezblast
Posted on Saturday, June 09, 2007 - 02:00 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

DPR9EIX-9
This would be the NGK plug - note the number on your plug choice, then see this chart



so I'd say that puppy is way too hot!
What interests me is that NGK now has a racing plug similar to my Denso racing plug.
GT - JBOTDS! EZ
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Mar_wilmington
Posted on Saturday, June 09, 2007 - 02:35 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Ok I'm lost then b/c the number on my plug is on the colder side and matches the choices at the top of the page for NGK heat range. Also it's the only choice for a Blast iridium plug at A.S.B. #5887
(http://www.americansportbike.com/shoponline/ccp0-p rodshow/PROD283.html)

Isn't DCPR9 the same heat range as DPR9EIX-9? And 9 matches up with 27 of Denso which is what your running still isn't it EZ?

(Message edited by mar_wilmington on June 09, 2007)
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Ezblast
Posted on Saturday, June 09, 2007 - 03:28 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

yes - http://sparkplugs.com/ - these folks have a great cross reference chart system that matches up to most of the static charts around - I am certain I am right in this, however, I will make a phone call monday to verify.
GT - JBOTDS! EZ
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Mar_wilmington
Posted on Saturday, June 09, 2007 - 05:23 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I believe you EZ, thats not an issue. You've always given me good advice. I just needed to know if #5887 NGK Iridium, 10R12 Heat range Equivalent @ American Sport Bike is the right choice for the blast. I need to spend more then the amount the traction grips cost and the only other thing that I have money for right now is a new plug. But the item info isn't clear to a noob like me so I wanted to ask and make sure it's what I needed.
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Ezblast
Posted on Saturday, June 09, 2007 - 07:21 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I understand, however, there is no reference to that plug - its new, and though I don't doupt Al at ASBN - he was wrong the first time, however, I know I can call the tech at sparkplugs.com and he'll look up the heat range just as a matter of fact, and so confirm or deny. I know for a fact though that the other plug will work and is the correct heat range.
GT - JBOTDS! EZ
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Mar_wilmington
Posted on Monday, June 11, 2007 - 12:45 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

That would be great if you could talk to the tech and see if it's the proper heat range for me EZ. Otherwise or if it does turn out to be too hot I guess I'll have to get the grips from my local dealership (Carolina Coast HD are they a sponsor?) and wait on the iridium plug for a bit.

Thanks for the help yet again ;)
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Ezblast
Posted on Monday, June 11, 2007 - 01:45 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

That Plug is fine! I talked to Al and it is the correct plug - his stock # refering to the DPR9EIX-9 plug.
GT - JBOTDS! EZ


(Message edited by ezblast on June 11, 2007)
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Mar_wilmington
Posted on Tuesday, June 12, 2007 - 06:10 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Excellent thanks for the help EZ : )
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Totolandman
Posted on Thursday, March 27, 2008 - 07:07 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Nology Hotwire plug wire grounded 90 degree shorty part number: 012 001 032

www.nology.com
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Ezblast
Posted on Thursday, March 27, 2008 - 09:18 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

They handed me a 6r12 heat range plug, its cooler now, but still not cool enough - been there, blown the motor - lol
EZ
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