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Jolly
Posted on Monday, June 04, 2018 - 12:13 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

This has been discussed in the topic "S2 kickstand"

http://www.badweatherbikers.com/buell/messages/47623/829735.html?1528057253

This is not "the bend"

This is a smaller plate that piggy backs on the factory plate and fixes the lean angle and the spring holds the kickstand in an extended position.

I am ready to get these out to folks in a preorder format, so I am starting a dedicated thread.

Number 1 problem with the S2 is the kickstand! a lot of these bikes have fallen right off the kickstand and done a lot of damage to the bike, on a bike that doesn't have a ready supplier of parts....

A few years ago I spent over a year working to re-develop and further modify a side plate design that utilized a "newer" kickstand from 96 and on tube frame bikes, fixing the lean angle and spring loading the kickstand forward when extended.

These side plates were very expensive when compared to the market value purchase price of the bike, however, they are hand built low production bikes.

I figured there would be an interest in a cheaper fix that still solved the problem as well as the full side plates, however, with a new baby, a military retirement, a move, and getting checked out in a few civilian jets when I returned to civilian flying really took all of the time I had...

Ive been working with “Purpony” in the back ground to bring my new idea to reality and I am finally ready to offer it up to folks that want a great fix, that doesnt rob the bank or savings in the process.

This design utilizes a piggy back style of plate that replaces the factory lug, using the stock factory plate.


I used a very rough broken plate that I got for free to use for the mock up, since it was so badly broken I cut off the back half of the plate to cut down on the size of the box required to ship back and forth during development. This will work fine with a full plate, it does not have to be cut down to a single rider plate.



s2 piggy back plate





piggy back plate installed



piggy back plate installed 2



piggy back plate installed 3



piggy back plate installed lean angle 1



piggy back plate installed lean angle 2



piggy back plate installed 3


FOR THE MODIFICATION....

you have to cut off the factory cast lug and cut/grind down on of the cast ribs on the back to make room for a large flat washer.

I originally thought about tapping the plate but have decided that its better to drill through and use a flat washer, lock washer, and nut with red locktite… so ignore the threads in the mock up plate...


cut off the lug smooth


cut down lug


cut off the lug




cut and grind the rib smooth


back of plate 1



back of plate 2




back of plate 3


LEAN ANGLE with original full plate design compared to S1




lean angle compared to S1


LEAN ANGLE with piggy back plate compared to S1


lean angle comparison 2


These will be supplied with the following:

CNC plate
kickstand pivot pin
kickstand pivot pin retaining clip
kickstand spring pin
mounting hardware

It does not include the kickstand, any late model tube frame kickstand will work EXCEPT the M2 low, that kickstand is one inch shorter, it WILL NOT WORK.

this will be done as a pre-order/prepay once the order is complete.

pricing is set at a minimum order of 10 units....any less han 10 and the price goes up as the cost includes set up and tooling spread across a 10 or more count.

I think I can do this with everything, if the order meets or exceeds 10 for: (I might even be able to include shipping, if not it would only in crease the price by about 15.00 for packaging and shipping).

$375.00

(Message edited by Jolly on June 04, 2018)
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S1owner
Posted on Monday, June 04, 2018 - 03:16 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Pure pny. Ha lol Purpony!
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Reaper_pete
Posted on Monday, June 04, 2018 - 11:41 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Put me in for one.}}}
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Terrible
Posted on Tuesday, June 05, 2018 - 09:13 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Yes put me down for one.PM me with instructions for payment.
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K12pilot
Posted on Tuesday, June 05, 2018 - 03:19 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

2 please
Ur killin me!!
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Jolly
Posted on Tuesday, June 05, 2018 - 06:01 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Yeah...you and that YJP so back at ya!! that's why I need 2, one for that bike and one for....

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Jolly
Posted on Tuesday, June 05, 2018 - 06:04 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Heres the count:

Jolly: 2
K12Pilot: 2
Terrible: 1
Reaper_Pete: 1

Were at 6,

Once we get 10, I will run this for one week past to let folks who don't check in often get a chance to get on the buy.
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Williamscottrobertson
Posted on Tuesday, June 05, 2018 - 07:16 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Don’t forget me! I want those fatbar adapters for the S1W too ; )
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Jolly
Posted on Tuesday, June 05, 2018 - 08:24 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Jolly: 2
K12Pilot: 2
Terrible: 1
Reaper_Pete: 1
William Scott Robertson: 1

7 total so far
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Jolly
Posted on Sunday, June 10, 2018 - 10:44 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

We need 3 more to keep the price as quoted above.
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Terrible
Posted on Sunday, June 10, 2018 - 12:14 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Put me down for another one.I've been looking for another S2 so I better have a spare.
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Illinoisbart
Posted on Sunday, June 10, 2018 - 12:35 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Trying to figure this out, don't think would fly.
added rears
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Jolly
Posted on Sunday, June 10, 2018 - 08:23 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Illinoisbart

It might actually work, your rear set is a piggyback stack with spacers, using the plate and shorter spacers “could” work....

Terrible/

That’s 2 for you, we need 2 more!

That’s only to keep the price as quoted, I’ll still order the run, but there will be a price increase if we can’t get to 10.
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Sarodude
Posted on Monday, June 11, 2018 - 11:59 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Sorry. Take my off the list. Misread something...

-Saro

(Message edited by sarodude on June 12, 2018)
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Jolly
Posted on Wednesday, June 13, 2018 - 03:20 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Sarodude,

Got it thanks, somehow I didn’t have you on the list...

Count is the same, need 2 more to get our pricing to “as quoted”.
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Lynrd
Posted on Wednesday, June 13, 2018 - 07:38 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

ok, 2 more please.

One for Rhonda, one for Gloria...

(Message edited by lynrd on June 13, 2018)
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Jolly
Posted on Wednesday, June 13, 2018 - 08:59 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

That’s 10!!!

Jolly: 2
K12pilot: 2
Terrible: 2
Reaper_Pete: 1
Williamscottrobertson: 1
Lynrd: 2

Let’s let this run a little longer, then I’ll collect funds and order, good news though, we get the lower cost for 10+
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Jolly
Posted on Friday, June 15, 2018 - 10:46 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Some folks were asking about how this fits on a full sized plate, so I cut the lug off a full plate so that you could see how it looks. I also wanted to do this by hand with "basic" tools. a hack saw, a few files, and a angle die-grinder with a sanding/grinding disk.

I cut the lug and the rib off with the hack saw, then reshaped everything smooth with a few hand files, after proving it could be done with hand tools (meaning no machine shop)… I finished it with an angle die grinder with a few sanding disks. then I bolted the piggy back plate to the side plate with bolts running through the passages for the frame mount bolts, and located and drilled the 3rd hole.




S2 kickstand fix



S2 kickstand fix


Ill get this mounted to the bike for a true reference some time next week if my schedule doesn't get over run.

(Message edited by Jolly on June 16, 2018)
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Jolly
Posted on Friday, June 15, 2018 - 10:51 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Illinoisbart… PM sent
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Jolly
Posted on Sunday, June 17, 2018 - 02:50 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I’m going to close this out Friday 22 June, at that point I’ll collect funds, when the last person pays I’ll place the order.

Remember, you need to source your own kickstand from any tuber, however an M2 low WILL NOT WORK, it’s an inch shorter. And obviously the S2 kickstand won’t work either.

If you buy a kickstand that doesn’t have a return spring it’s the same spring from a sportster and a dyna, I bought one for the mock-up in the photos above.
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Williamscottrobertson
Posted on Monday, June 18, 2018 - 10:34 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Sounds like a plan. My kickstand is in for white powder coat right now.
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Kmbuell
Posted on Monday, June 18, 2018 - 09:26 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

OK, count me in for a set.
Not sure where they will get used yet but with 3 to choose from one of them will need it.
Dave made me a set of clipped ones last time, great work.
Anybody want to buy an S1W or a '95 S2?
Thanks to Marc too!
Kevin Meath
kmbuell

(Message edited by kmbuell on June 18, 2018)
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Jolly
Posted on Friday, June 22, 2018 - 08:20 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Jolly: 2
K12pilot: 2
Terrible: 2
Reaper_Pete: 1
Williamscottrobertson: 1
Lynrd: 2
Kmbuell: 1

That’s 11

I’ll close this out today so that we can get started making them. Get your kickstands!
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Jolly
Posted on Saturday, June 23, 2018 - 08:21 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Please pay through PayPal

Email address: jolly135@yahoo.com

Pay as gift OR if you pay for goods or services please add extra to cover the fee

I will turn the order in once all have paid.

Thanks for your interest, glad we got to 10 to keep the cost down!
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Reaper_pete
Posted on Saturday, June 23, 2018 - 09:49 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Jolly
Many thanks for all the time and effort you invested in making this project happen!
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Terrible
Posted on Saturday, June 23, 2018 - 11:34 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

You have money.
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Illinoisbart
Posted on Saturday, June 23, 2018 - 12:37 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Money sent for kickstand, Thanks Jolly.
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Williamscottrobertson
Posted on Saturday, June 23, 2018 - 02:47 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Payment sent! Thanks bud!
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Jolly
Posted on Saturday, June 23, 2018 - 05:00 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Jolly: 2
K12pilot: 2
Terrible: 2 PAID
Reaper_Pete: 1 PAID
Williamscottrobertson: 1 PAID
Lynrd: 2
Kmbuell: 1
Illinoisbart: 1 PAID
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Lynrd
Posted on Saturday, June 23, 2018 - 05:18 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

You should have rec'd mine this AM as well...
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