| Author | Message | ||
     Slowhand96 |
Xgecko.... LOL!!! Where is Obi-Wan Lafayette when I need him? | ||
| Slowhand96 |
Han Swampy? Sorry now I'm just getting goofy. | ||
| Buellistic |
"YOU" are in trouble as "i" only speak BUELL !!! In BLASTing LaFayette | ||
| Ezblast |
Someone send the poor man the Star Wars set for Xmass - lol GT - JBOTDS! EZ  | ||
| Muckerphuck |
hey all whats up, had my blast a lil while and aready had to replace the ignition, so now that the blast is running right , i have these cams new in the box that the guy gave me with the blast. some one mentioned the the screamin eagle cams would need the se ignition, but i also read the you dont need the ignition unless you are going big boar, this is what i have, buell blast pro series cam kit 25608-03y. so is this a worth while upgrade for my bike. 2001 buell blast , jardine exausht,k&n air filter,ez stock airbox mod,denso iridium racing plug, rejetted carb 45/165 have a 48/175 combo on the way if need be.. all i would need is the gasket kits. | ||
| Gearheaderiko |
They bolt right in without any other modifications. You will have to pull the rocker cover though. They wont turn your bike into a rocket but hey, you've got them and it wont hurt the bike at all to throw them in. The SE ignition is really only needed for fine tuning advance curves and if you want to raise the rev limit. Understand that comments posted on the discussion forum represent only the views of their authors and in no way may be construed as representing the views of BadWeatherBikers.com, its custodians, or its owner(s) of record. Users will never hold BadWeatherBikers.com, its custodians, or its owner(s) of record responsible for any content posted by users of the discussion board. (Message edited by gearheaderiko on September 05, 2007) | ||
| Muckerphuck |
thats what i thought, and it seems fairly straight forward also, im liking workin on the thumper its plain old fun! yea im not lookin for dramatic gains, just more than stock,and i figured with the better jetting and exausht/intake mods the cams are just the next logical step in perkin up a blast. for me anyway [noob] if i really want a faster bike ill buy one in a few years when im not a noob!! the blast seems fast enough as it is, a lil more tourque is always a good thing though.cough.1125r.cough. | ||
| Ezblast |
Please rejet to the 48/175 though - your running pretty lean. GT - JBOTDS! EZ | ||
| Buellistic |
What about TIMING ??? | ||
| Muckerpuck |
what about timing?????????? | ||
| Muckerpuck |
so in the tuning with the ignition timing this is where a dyno tuning or a/f ratio tuning comes into play, correct. is this were a aftermarket Air/Fuel Mixture Gauge may help tuning for max performance, and really the only tuning adjustment that can be made are the ignition timing and jetting, and a lil of the idle mix.. untill i go to the se ignition. im i getting close? | ||
| Swampy |
Welcome to the Badweb Muckerpuck! Is Hell Wisconsin any place like Hell Michigan? Put the cams in, rejet the carb and enjoy! | ||
| Buellistic |
Muckerpuck: You are asking the wrong QUESTIONS ??? | ||
| Muckerpuck |
i wish i new what questions to ask?  and i have a 48/175 combo on the way...from old 45/165 (Message edited by muckerpuck on September 05, 2007) | ||
| Ezblast |
Yes an AF measuring device would be useful for tuning - especially if it could record - GT -JBOTDS! EZ | ||
| Buellistic |
That is WHAT a BRAIN is for ??? spell check ??? (Message edited by buellistic on September 05, 2007) | ||
| Ezblast |
Ignore the Troll - do you have a link for it? GT - JBOTDS! EZ | ||
| Muckerpuck |
http://www.airfuelratio.com/index.htm i did post this link in the gauges section when you asked before. lol, this is just one there are many more,i was lookin at the power comander a/f gauge the other day , atleast i think thats what its called. | ||
| Buellistic |
J.C. Whitney sells the components, why not build your own and save the BIG $$$.$$ ??? | ||
| Muckerpuck |
na, id rather have somthing that looks good i might put it im my car when im done... | ||
| Buuueller |
It will be very use full when you get ready to huff that GTP clone.  (there wasnt a blower smiley) | ||
| Muckerpuck |
need boost!!!!!!!!! | ||
| Muckerpuck |
clone sleepers rule!!! (Message edited by muckerpuck on September 25, 2007) | ||
| Berkshire |
Regarding installation of XB cams in a Blast: Some concern has been expressed regarding ignition timing, since the notch in the end of the #2 XB cam is in a different location than the Blast. This is the notch that the tab on the timing cup fits into, so having the notch in a different place changes the ignition timing. The notch is about 120 to 150 degrees away from the Blast location. I tried rotating the ignition module 180 degrees from the normal orientation, but the adjustment slots on the module don't allow quite enough range to get the timing set right. The slots can't be lengthened because the "black box" part of the module is too big, and there doesn't seem to be a good place to D&T the cam cover for alternate ignition module screw locations... I have heard of one person who cut a new notch in the timing cup, but there's an easier way... The timing cup is a very tight fit on the end of the cam - basically it's pressed (or pulled) on when the screw is tightened. The cam is hard steel and the notch is sharp-edged, but the tab on the timing cup is thin flimsy sheet metal, so IF the tab was being used to KEEP the timing cup aligned (like a keyway), then the tab would almost certainly be sheared off in short order. My conclusion is that the locator tab is really only used to position the timing cup when it's being installed - once it's on, the tab is irrelevant, so... I just cut the tab off and installed the timing cup in an orientation that gave proper timing. The easiest way to do this would be to mark the location of the timing "notch" under the timing cover with the flywheel timing mark in the window on the "fire" (valves closed) TDC *before* removing the timing cup. Then change cams, use a thin cutting wheel on a dremel to remove the tab from the timing cup (very easy!), and install cup with timing notch in the original orientation. Voila! You can install whatever cams you want without regard for the #2 cam ignition timing notch! | ||
| Berkshire |
Regarding mechanical issues with XB cams: My 2000 Blast had no bottom-end clearance issues. Cam lobes have plenty of clearance to swing around, due to reduced base circle. Lifters were able to drop down far enough to ride on the lobe base circle, and did so without contacting anything else. Lifter flats extend plenty far down for clearance w/ alignment pins at full lift. Stock Blast pushrods should work fine - the OEM hyd. lifters have enough "range" to make up for smaller base circle. | ||
| Berkshire |
Regarding mechanical issues with XB cams: part II - top end Blast valve springs are reported to have similar pressure to XB springs, and are nowhere near coil-bind, BUT valves, spring tops and retainers are heavier, so the Blast setup can't take higher revs. Even if one were willing to stay under the stock Blast rev limit... clearance between valve seals and bottom of retainers is a bit tight - mine had JUST enough on the intake, but not quite enough on the exhaust. Considering production tolerances, it's possible that SOME Blasts might just have enough clearance. Clearance could be easily had by removing the valve seals. Oil consumption and carbon deposits might be a problem then, though I have heard of people running without them with no problems. Another way to get more seal/retainer clearance would be to cut down the tops of the retainers just a bit - see 03MAR08 11:07pm post in "upgrade heads" topic. Best way would be to change to high-performance valves & springs, and then raise your rev limit! (Message edited by Berkshire on March 04, 2008) | ||
| Gearheaderiko |
Please see topic 3/3/08 or "upgrade Heads" for more info,theres more reasons why the Blast head wont rev to 7500rpm like the XB! Most of the XB cam swap information has been covered on Badweb previously some time ago, so those interested can do a Badweb search for it and verify the above swap information (which is correct) from other sources. Timing cups can be purchased 'blank' (without notch) and the XB camshaft can also be notched for the Blast timing cup. As noted above, it doesnt really matter where you put the notch, you just have to be able to turn the module enough to time it. As far as 'deleting' the cup notch I recommend using red Loctite on the mating surfaces of the cup and camshaft (use whatever Loctite the manual recommends for the screw though). Timing cups have come loose (not common) and without a notch you'll lose timing completely. | ||
| Gearheaderiko |
PS XB cams and XL SE '04 cams have the same specs (and as I understand) the XL cams are 'bigger'. Neither have clearance issues. | ||
| Totolandman |
I am in the process of having the Andrews B50 cams installed and the HP oil pump gear drive. Can anyone let me know what other parts, gaskets will be needed that I need provide the shop that will be doing the installation work. Cheers, totolandman | ||
| Ezblast |
Rockercover, gear/cam cover, primary inspection cover gasket should be it. EZ |
