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Pontlee77
Posted on Monday, October 01, 2012 - 08:55 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

After riding the X1 and the Ulysses, i was thinking how to improve the X1 cornering abilities, i was wondering if any one has done this wild idea: remove oil tank and battery do some welding work on the swing arm and on the frame to fit a rear suspension above the swing arm (like xb's) fit a home made oil tank under the seat area and maybe the battery could still fit in it's place.

possibly it would improve the handling, i do not have the skill nor time and even less the money.

Just an idea i was thinking about, mean while the X1 will be ridden easy, and the uly will be pushed a bit.
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Ratbuell
Posted on Monday, October 01, 2012 - 09:56 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Have you adjusted the suspension properly on the X1? I routinely switch from tuber, to Uly, to 1125...and the only alterations I need to make to my riding style are from the tubers to the 1125. There is frame flex in the tubers, at the limit, but proper suspension settings can minimize it.

There is a reason race tubers used swingarm braces, and frame braces...the underslung shock is just fine, it's the other areas that can twist and flex.
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Pontlee77
Posted on Monday, October 01, 2012 - 10:07 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

when i'm all geared up i'm on the 80kg more or less could you suggest me a setting that would work with my weight (the friend from whom i bought it said it was set to his weigh very close to mine)

Thanks.
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Ft_bstrd
Posted on Monday, October 01, 2012 - 11:00 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I have had both a Uly and an M2, the Uly feels more stable.

That said, the stock M2 suspension is WAY too soft for me. I'll be dropping some $$$ on a works shock and for respringin the forks. I expect the M2 to handle as well or better than the Uly.

With each generation, I think the handling DOES improve, though.
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Ratbuell
Posted on Monday, October 01, 2012 - 11:01 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The best suggestion I can make is, note the current settings. Check your manual and learn the terminology, and which adjustment handles which handling characteristic. Identify which characteristic you want to eliminate or minimize. Then make ONE adjustment at a time, according to the manual's suggestions, to see if they help.

It's trial and error...but it works. Again - I only minimally have to change my riding style from my 1995 S2 to my 1125CR. Because I've made adjustments. Repeatedly. (and that's half the fun - the fact that I CAN make all those adjustments on a 17 year old motorcycle!!)
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No_rice
Posted on Tuesday, October 02, 2012 - 02:05 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

With each generation, I think the handling DOES improve, though.

they do, my s1(with penske suspension)handles pretty damn good, but my xb's(stock and with race suspension) handle even better, and then there's my 1125's. they hand;le even better then the previous ones and do it in stock form... exactly like its suppose to be... improvement in each model family over the years.
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Hybridmomentspass
Posted on Tuesday, October 02, 2012 - 05:28 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

someone has done a XB swingarm on a tuber before, and pretty sure they used stock shock in the same configuration, welding a mounting tab to the frame under the seat.

I'd say to do a search (or do it for you), but its a bloody pain on here
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Ft_bstrd
Posted on Tuesday, October 02, 2012 - 06:20 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Jody's most excellent beast has the XB swing arm.
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Rick_a
Posted on Thursday, October 04, 2012 - 12:03 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)


quote:

There is a reason race tubers used swingarm braces




Actually, all the braced swingarm bikes had extended arms. The bracing was only needed due to being weaker where grafted together. The stretch was done to keep the bikes stable with the increased power and the 1" rear suspension raise that was also common in the Pro Thunder and Thunderbike classes.

Barnes' championship winning X1 was retrofitted with the older, steel arm, instead of the "aluminum arc" it came with.

barnes x1 left side.jpg

Just sayin'...
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Rick_a
Posted on Thursday, October 04, 2012 - 12:04 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Suspension work is the best investment that can be made to a tuber's handling. Nothing "wild" is necessary.

(Message edited by Rick_A on October 04, 2012)
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Buellistic
Posted on Thursday, October 04, 2012 - 01:48 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

You "TUNE" the suspension for the best handling you to can get to get the power on the race track !!!
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Rick_a
Posted on Thursday, October 04, 2012 - 03:25 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Good suspension/setup is a benefit at any speed or for any type of riding.
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Pontlee77
Posted on Friday, October 05, 2012 - 02:44 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

After reading the manual there is no basic setting by weight, on the xb (at least the ulysses) there is a table of basic setting for the rider weight, one done you can fine tune it but it's quite on the spot. that's what i expected in the manual.
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Joesbuell
Posted on Sunday, November 11, 2012 - 10:06 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I already did the suspension mod and was an amazing handling transformation. I used to hate how the under slung shock used to pack up on our bumpy roads here in Australia. Plus I once had the under slung shock dump all its oil! Lucky I noticed before heading into the first corner! Here's and picture of the beast. She still needs engine rebuild : (

Cheers
Jodie
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Dannybuell
Posted on Sunday, November 11, 2012 - 11:07 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Joesbuell ~ WOW an XB tuber!!
How hard was the XB conversion, especially the swing arm?
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Brother_in_buells
Posted on Monday, November 12, 2012 - 07:17 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Danny,
don't tell us you didn't know off the existence of this S3 mutant!?
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46champ
Posted on Monday, November 12, 2012 - 09:41 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The search function may be hard to use but not this time. Just search for joesbuell and pages of pictures will come forth it is an extreamly well documented conversion.
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Dannybuell
Posted on Monday, November 12, 2012 - 01:44 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

THX 46champ
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