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Ezblast
Posted on Sunday, April 24, 2005 - 07:43 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I've noticed that on early 2000 Buell Blasts there is an extra upper heim joint going from the front top mount to the horn mount bolt. Why was this discontinued on later Blasts? Would it harm anything to remove it from my 2000? Is it nescessary? If so - why was it discontinued? I've noticed my red 2000 vibrates a bit more than my 2001 - could this be why?
GT - JBOTDS! EZ
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U4euh
Posted on Monday, April 25, 2005 - 12:00 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Ez-don't know bout that, just wanted to ask if you are a big Fan of the dark side? Are you getting ready for the new release next month?
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Ezblast
Posted on Monday, April 25, 2005 - 12:31 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

No costumes or the like, but looking forward to the finale at last!
The funny thing is my origional fairing on my black bike was even more Vader helmet like - lol - my current version - though also Vaderish - is easy maintenance when vibration proofed - lol - and the lighting is even better!
I'm just curious about that heim suport - pro's and cons - they also stoped the braided front brake line because the brakes where practically stop on a dime - stoppy type - that good - in the rain you could feel the pull of the front brake side on the stock tire - the reason my city bike got upgraded with the fork brace - lol -
GT - JBOTDS! EZ
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Ezblast
Posted on Wednesday, April 27, 2005 - 04:19 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Kathie - at Buell Customer Service could tell me nothing - anybody here venture a guess?
GT - JBOTDS! EZ
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U4euh
Posted on Thursday, April 28, 2005 - 12:29 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Anyway you could show a picture of exactly what your speaking of?
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Ezblast
Posted on Thursday, April 28, 2005 - 01:35 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I'll try this weekend - on the Blast - the front top motormount has on the 2001 on up has 1 heim mounting suport bracket to the frame, while the early and mid - 2000 Blasts also have a second one comming from the same place to behind the bolt(larger on the 2000's)that also mounts the horn. This part is not part of later Blasts - no mention is made to why it is discontinued - good or bad - its part of the motor mount that was discontinued - I'd just like to know why, can it be taken off a 2000 with no problems, and if there was perhaps a benifit like the fact less forces would be directed in any direction using two top suports vs one - though a bit more vibration would be the result at idle - my experience. Just looking for answers - thats the problem with being a Blastaholic - lol
GT - JBOTDS! EZ
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Ezblast
Posted on Sunday, May 01, 2005 - 07:46 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

2000


2001 and up


Well - do we need it or not - benifits - draw backs - I know the red bike vibrates more - this could be the reason - don't know - anybody - especially our favorite anonomous - lol - some folks would reallly like to know the ramifications because they are not running it on their 2000 bike - lol
GT - JBOTDS! EZ
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Wyckedflesh
Posted on Monday, May 02, 2005 - 01:29 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Have you checked the manuals and seen if they are in fact left out and not a case of someone making a mistake on your particular bike?
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U4euh
Posted on Monday, May 02, 2005 - 03:26 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

The first two pictures are the red? Seems with that mount it would be less. That seems to be a rubber isolator on the inside of the mounting bolt, much like the XB's have at the front end of the motor. Have you done any research to see if the one piece unit had any failure problems? If so that might have been why they did the change. I my opinion the first set of pictures seems like that bike would vibrate less.
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Ezblast
Posted on Monday, May 02, 2005 - 03:27 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

My 2001 manual has no mention of it -
GT - JBOTDS! EZ
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Anonymous
Posted on Monday, May 02, 2005 - 07:18 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Quick, let me close this out. Extra heim joint gave slight improvement in handling, noticeable only to the very fast, but added some vibration. Looked at the target market and made the choice.
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Ezblast
Posted on Tuesday, May 03, 2005 - 01:13 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

So you could adapt it to later Blasts for an edge on the track? There is real promise now in the unlimited singles - any edge would be helpfull and passed on! (And if so you should sell it as a Pro-series kit - lol)
GT - JBOTDS! EZ

(Message edited by ezblast on May 03, 2005)
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Mmelvis
Posted on Wednesday, May 04, 2005 - 10:24 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Ok so how do we add one of these to a 2001 blast. Any improvement in speeds above 80 would be great.
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Ezblast
Posted on Wednesday, May 04, 2005 - 05:45 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

So do we just get the longer 2000 bolt, heim joint and heavy horn mounting bracket bolt and replace the others adding the heim joint?
GT - JBOTDS! EZ
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Gearheaderiko
Posted on Wednesday, May 04, 2005 - 09:10 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Given the amount of time & money I've put into my engine recently and I'm hopefully headed out to the track, I'm really intrigued and excited about the possibility of adding an extra tie bar to improve handling and anchoring down the motor a little more.


I've researched my parts lists and nothing I have goes back to 2000. Anybody got part numbers?
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Djkaplan
Posted on Wednesday, May 04, 2005 - 09:21 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

My 2000 Cyclone came from the factory with the mounts for a tie-bar at frame and front engine mount, but no tie-bar. When I added one from an X1, I didn't notice any change at all, in engine vibration or handling.

Maybe I'm not fast enough to tell the difference in handling, though.

No I take that back..., I am.
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Ezblast
Posted on Thursday, May 05, 2005 - 01:34 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I'll scan them in tommorrow night - I have the 2000 - 2001 parts book - same head mounting point, just the added heim joint from what I can tell - maybe I'll have to upgrade my 2001 to the 2000 level all around with braided lines and an extra heim suport -
GT - JBOTDS! EZ
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Jprovo
Posted on Thursday, May 05, 2005 - 08:29 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Thanks Anony, your insight is appreciated.

Guys, it should be the same as adding one to a tuber: buy the bolts and the heim joint and install it.

James
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Matty
Posted on Thursday, May 05, 2005 - 12:52 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

James is correct,
It's very simple and very easy to do.
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Ezblast
Posted on Thursday, May 05, 2005 - 09:57 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)



There you have it! This, the steel braided fr. brake line # H0531.B -, crossroads fork-cross brace, Works 3 way adjustable shock and front suspension kit with 7.5 fork oil - you'll be carving!
Got Thump?! Just Blasting on the Dark side! EZ


(Message edited by ezblast on May 05, 2005)
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Gearheaderiko
Posted on Monday, October 10, 2005 - 08:28 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

L0499.T is no longer available, use part # L0500.T (existing tie bar assembly still used). Use 3/8 x 24 die to cut additional threads and cut male tie bar to desired length (about 1 1/2" off-total length of modified tiebar is about 4").
Tuber Buell tie bars can be used but will also need modification and might not be as readily available as Blast tie bars (and are VERY expensive).
The XB series uses fixed length tie bars (2006 models-dont know about earlier) so it would be unsuitable for modification.





(Message edited by gearheaderiko on May 02, 2007)
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Gearheaderiko
Posted on Monday, October 17, 2005 - 11:51 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

H0531.B front 2000yr steel brake line is still available!
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