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Ezblast
Posted on Thursday, September 04, 2003 - 12:37 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Still - back to the question - would the basic 1250cc kitted(cyl & piston)XB9 beat out the regular XB12 - good question - still no answers posted - lol - GT - JBOTDS! EZ
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Dynarider
Posted on Thursday, September 04, 2003 - 02:14 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I dont think anyone knows. How about putting a kitted 9 up against a kitted 12? Arent the cc's on that somewhere around 1400cc or so?
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Aaron
Posted on Thursday, September 04, 2003 - 08:22 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The problem is that it's the wrong question. You want to beat a 12 with a 9? Always work on the thing that's holding the motor back.
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Jim_m
Posted on Thursday, September 04, 2003 - 08:28 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

OK, given same displacements (though the 12 gets it's with stroke, and the 9 would get it from bore, correct?) and the same ecm/pipe configurations, I would guess that the kitted 9 would get the upper hand. in the 1/4...in the 1/8 I would go with the 12.

thoughts?
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Buelliedan
Posted on Thursday, September 04, 2003 - 08:56 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Aaron,
Given one of your Nallinized 9 turned into a 12 or the stock from the factory 12 which has more power??
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Aaron
Posted on Thursday, September 04, 2003 - 09:07 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

We delivered one not too long ago that made 107hp on our dyno.
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Jim_m
Posted on Thursday, September 04, 2003 - 09:12 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Buelliedan, that's not a fair comparison as the Nallinized bike has a force pipe and ecm upgrades.
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Cyclonecharlie
Posted on Thursday, September 04, 2003 - 10:26 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Aaron,
Let me ask the question this way,everything being equal. Both the 9 & 12 with the same displacement.Which one would be faster,rev. quicker, the long stroke or the short stroke motor? Thanks.........Later Charlie
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Spiderman
Posted on Thursday, September 04, 2003 - 10:56 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Wow this turned from a comparison thread to "My bike is better than your bike" thread.
Too funny
I guess I will go fix my "Inferirior" (as I have heard it being refered as) and go for a ride.
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Gonen60
Posted on Thursday, September 04, 2003 - 11:06 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Saw an XB12 rider wearing one of these as he was smoking a 9

Your tassled chaps must be to tight brother, I said Buell T Shirts not HD
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Glitch
Posted on Thursday, September 04, 2003 - 11:12 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Maybe some day soon someone will post a dyno chart like the XB12 vs. Ducati...
I'd like to see it out of curiosity.
It doesn't really matter about the "mine bettern yers" as I've not even come close to exploiting all the XB9 can do. Mike (has an XB9r) can leave me at will...
My ego can take it as I'm not a racer just a rider.
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Blackbelt
Posted on Thursday, September 04, 2003 - 11:12 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

well this is definetly getting interesting... hold on let me get ring side seats for the main event... DON'T FORGET THE POPCORN!
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Aaron
Posted on Thursday, September 04, 2003 - 11:17 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Well, you've got almost the same volume of cylinder to fill, and you've got the same heads with the same valves and the same cams. So the main things that determine the motor's power are all the same.

I can see a couple advantages to the big bore 9 based motor, though. First, the rev limit won't be a constraint (or won't constrain it as much). That's assuming you're still making power above the 12's 7K limit (i.e. your cylinder fill is not dropping as fast as your rpm is rising). Second, the bigger bore moves the hot cylinder wall away from the intake valve and unshrouds it a bit, potentially giving it a VE advantage over the undersquare motor. If you used a set of heads on the big bore 9 that took advantage of the bigger bore, that'd be even better, but we're talking stock heads here, right?

'Course, the 12 has a bigger throttle body and different injectors, so those things are less likely to constrain it. Unless you swapped them onto the big bore 9 and/or bored the 9's throttle body.

I don't know, it'd be an interesting experiment, but my gut feel is the big bore 9 would be the better setup.


edited by Aaron on September 04, 2003
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Dynarider
Posted on Thursday, September 04, 2003 - 11:18 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Sorry Gonen but most of the Buell riders I see are actually wearing Harley t-shirts. See very few with Buell shirts.

And tassled chaps? You having fantasies again? Sorry but no chaps..tassled or otherwise here. No leather fringe on myself or the bike either.
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Spiderman
Posted on Thursday, September 04, 2003 - 11:27 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Buell riders with H-D shirts are funny.
My favorite are Buells with Harley derby an timing covers.
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Misato
Posted on Thursday, September 04, 2003 - 11:54 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

hey prof,
I'll have my bike downtown all day friday, until I drop it off in the afternoon for DHD to fix the fork seal..
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Gonen60
Posted on Thursday, September 04, 2003 - 11:54 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Buell riders with H-D shirts are funny.
My favorite are Buells with Harley derby an timing covers.

Funny and Sad. I saw an idiot the other day riding a XB9S, wearing a Harley Shirt and He had tassles on His clutch and front brake levers...

mybikeisnotaharley
mybikeisnotaharley
mybikeisnotaharley
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Dynarider
Posted on Thursday, September 04, 2003 - 11:55 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

My favorite are Buells with Harley derby an timing covers.

Didnt one of you michigan boys have that? I know I saw at least 1 bike at the hotel with one.
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Buelliedan
Posted on Thursday, September 04, 2003 - 12:12 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Aaron,
If a person supplied you with a 03 XB9R how much would it cost to have it Nallinized into one of those 107hp 12s?? Please include the cost for the Force exhaust, dynajet, etc if you could.
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Dynarider
Posted on Thursday, September 04, 2003 - 12:17 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Gonen...one of the weirdest things I ever saw was a Blast with braided cltuch & brake levers. The damn things had to be 18" long with blue beads on the fringe.
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Spiderman
Posted on Thursday, September 04, 2003 - 12:21 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Yep my buddy Joe an beleive me he gets shit for it EVERY time I see him on his bike.
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Dynarider
Posted on Thursday, September 04, 2003 - 12:23 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I think Koz from Brew city has em on his bike too.
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Darthane
Posted on Thursday, September 04, 2003 - 12:48 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The other one of our group that had a Harley derby cover on his bike had it literally SHOOT off while we were at Milan dragway. Sailed a good six feet before it hit the ground. Guess the ol' Lightning didn't like having it on there...
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Gonen60
Posted on Thursday, September 04, 2003 - 01:16 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Gonen...one of the weirdest things I ever saw was a Blast with braided cltuch & brake levers. The damn things had to be 18" long with blue beads on the fringe

}got to be careful with shit like that, it could whip your eyeballs out....

I really do consider my bike a "sportbike"..Anyone that puts anything on a sportbike, that HD riders put on their chrome billet
} barges, is beyond Me !
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Usapitbullz
Posted on Thursday, September 04, 2003 - 02:00 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Buelliedan, I beleive it will run somewhere in the 4-5K range if I remember correctly.

edited by usapitbullz on September 04, 2003
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Spiderman
Posted on Thursday, September 04, 2003 - 02:03 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Thats who I was reffering to Dyna ;)
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Gonen60
Posted on Thursday, September 04, 2003 - 02:20 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Thats who I was reffering to Dyna

got any photos ?
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Misato
Posted on Thursday, September 04, 2003 - 02:43 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

pipe/baffle/o2/pcIII $1360.00
Buell XB9 STGIII heads XB9 $1100
Big bore kit, 1200cc $999.95
case boring Buell XB9 $275.00
$3735

1 done 3 parts to go..





edited by misato on September 04, 2003
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Usapitbullz
Posted on Thursday, September 04, 2003 - 03:24 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Misato, did you install the exhaust kit yourself?
If so, how long did it take you?
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Misato
Posted on Thursday, September 04, 2003 - 03:46 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

yeah.
about 4 1/2 hrs. it wasn't too bad to do.
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