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Ezblast
Posted on Thursday, October 22, 2009 - 04:06 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

First - there is nothing to apologize about concerning NHRS - the facts I stated about them are true, more than one person on this forum will testify to that - so you loose there.

Second - if the Blast head was just a lightning head, then they would have used a matching piston that is already Built for that head, instead of the generic hi-comp they did use. You loose there.

Third - this has gone on long enough, and I am contacting Terry Parsley - the recognized top of the field expert in this topic, and I will have him set you straight on the rest - the contact for that has been started and I'm sure I'll have an answer that will draw even more denials from you in 24 to 36 hours, even though it will come from the best authority on the topic.

Forth - I have nothing to apologize to you about, your rudeness is amazing, and you are so walking the line.

Note - knowing that the Hoban Brothers also did flat-track racers, I contacted them and asked them about the flow characteristics in comparison XB vs the Blast in stock form, and his reply to me was that though different, the two heads had very similar flow numbers in stock form. I don't know where you get your information, but it lacks names for verification, where as mine will always have a name you can contact to verify. There are reasons NHRS doesn't post here, and much of it has to do with bad information given with good, and the confusion that resulted.
EZ
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Tortoise
Posted on Thursday, October 22, 2009 - 05:20 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I'm wondering if Jeffreyh is a troll just messing with you EZ. Nobody gets this upset unless they are debating politics.

Jeffreyh: You should calm down and debate in a civilized way without the personal attacks. It's just heads & pistons not the end of the world here.
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Ezblast
Posted on Thursday, October 22, 2009 - 06:04 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

CONCUR!
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Jeffreyh
Posted on Thursday, October 22, 2009 - 09:22 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

"First - there is nothing to apologize about concerning NHRS - the facts I stated about them are true, more than one person on this forum will testify to that - so you loose there."

Are you sure I don't tight there? ; )

No seriously, you stated an insulting OPINION about NRHS because you were trying to discredit the information. Meanwhile you threaten to BAN me for correcting your bad information. You lose there!

Finding someone else with the same OPINION doesn't make something a FACT. Go find as many people with a bad OPINION of NRHS as you want and I can find a hundred times more that have a high OPINION. It has nothing to do with the FACTS of a Blast head though it's just a lame attempt to avoid the issue.

"Second - if the Blast head was just a lightning head, then they would have used a matching piston that is already Built for that head, instead of the generic hi-comp they did use. You loose there."

Again you show how little you know about these bikes. On every twin that came with a Lightning head they used a FLAT TOP. Harley/Buell NEVER MADE A PISTON "ALREADY BUILT" FOR THAT HEAD. So you lose there!

If you knew anything about the Blast you'd know that the reduced stroke reduced the compression. So to get the compression back they used the smallest chamber head they had - the Lightning head - and the only domed piston they had - the Thunderstorm piston - which got them back to 9.2:1.

The problem is that the Thunderstorm piston has the wrong squish angle for the Lightning head. So it's a bad mismatch. But Harley didn't care because they wanted to use stuff they already had - they didn't make anything special for the Blast top end except to put that little tie link mounting area onto the head.

Sorry to burst your bubble like this - I know you want to believe it's something special but that's just wishful thinking. You're an admin on this board shouldn't you try to make sure the information on here is right?

"Third - this has gone on long enough, and I am contacting Terry Parsley - the recognized top of the field expert in this topic, and I will have him set you straight on the rest - the contact for that has been started and I'm sure I'll have an answer that will draw even more denials from you in 24 to 36 hours, even though it will come from the best authority on the topic."

I got news for you Terry Parsley farms out his head work. I bet he's never flowed a head in his life much less knows all the subtle differences between the heads. Why don't you contact the outfit that does his heads and ask them about a stock Lightning head? That's who I contacted.

Come on Ezblast where's your balls? I've got $1,000 that says it's a Lightning head with no differences in the ports or valves or chambers. I can prove it. If you're so sure of yourself why won't you bet me? I'll go you one better, if I lose I donate the whole $1,000 to Badweb. Deal?
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Ezblast
Posted on Friday, October 23, 2009 - 01:20 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Of course he does, to Brian Nallin a founder of NHRS, and now co-owner of Revolution Performance and Millennium Technology whose ability to get power out of a head equals that of Wes Orlof, however, Terry knows his stuff and is still a freelance consultant for HD upon occasion - he told me that the castings for the lightning, Blast, and XB are very similar, however, each specific head has different design characteristics, deck height, etc. to compensate for engine design. Did you know the xb9 has a longer connecting rod by just a tiny bit? Terry also told me that you could fit any size valve in a Blast head with a simple change in configuration - he was running one with 1.9 size intake, and only switched to the XB head (no reconfiguring necessary to fit the big intake valve) because that was what Brian had hanging around his shop, and Terry had minor/major damage on the other that would be time consuming to fix. Terry said Brian worked that head over pretty well, Titanium valves, 14:1 comp, this motor of course is tuned for the Salt. The fact is the old lightning heads do not perform as well as a Blast head, or an XB head - to say they are nearly the same because they share the same casting is a false statement. I'll be talking to Brian tomorrow - I hope he's not sick of my questions - lol
EZ
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Ezblast
Posted on Friday, October 23, 2009 - 01:27 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Theres your problem - you keep insisting it is a lightning head, when it isn't. The parts are different. you sound a lot like Ralph, you'll insist something isn't so , say every one knows its this way, then only quote one source, so far I've quoted four - you sir are full of hot air, and just because you say something is, does not make it true.

This is your last warning.
EZ
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Subvert
Posted on Friday, October 23, 2009 - 04:33 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Wow, he does sound just like Ralph with his closed minded, "my way is the only right way, even if its totally wrong" attitude.
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Crackhead
Posted on Friday, October 23, 2009 - 07:43 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

both of you cool it. if i want to head name calling, i would go down to the local Walmart.

It sounds like we need to buy 1 of each type of heads from ebay for cheep and cut the ports in half to get a good view of the designs. Until then, everybody drop it.
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Ezblast
Posted on Friday, October 23, 2009 - 10:42 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I'm heading for Walmart!, seriously though, I've gotten good general information from 4 different experts, called each in turn to verify, as anyone here can do the same, and what they say does not agree with what has been claimed, my fifth call will have specifics and end this rubbish once and for all, its like a bad drug intervention, where four people are telling you the truth, but you still believe the pusher - lol
EZ
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Jeffreyh
Posted on Friday, October 23, 2009 - 11:42 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

"the castings for the lightning, Blast, and XB are very similar, however, each specific head has different design characteristics, deck height, etc. to compensate for engine design."

Wrong again. The Blast and the Lightning head are 3.690" deck to deck and the XB head is 3.670" deck to deck.

"Did you know the xb9 has a longer connecting rod by just a tiny bit?"

Wrong again. The XB9 rod is 7.270". The Blast rod is LONGER at 7.440". The XL rod is 6.926". But none of that has anything to do with the Blast head.

" The parts are different."

Wrong again. The valves are exactly the same as the Lightning head (same part number even!). The springs are exactly the same (again same part number). Same retainers, locks, guides, seats, and guide seals, same part numbers for every piece and I can easily prove it. Would you like me to post the pages from the parts book?

"Terry also told me that you could fit any size valve in a Blast head with a simple change in configuration - he was running one with 1.9 size intake, and only switched to the XB head (no reconfiguring necessary to fit the big intake valve)

Putting a 1.9" intake valve in a Blast head requires changing to a bigger seat. The intake valves in a stock Blast/Lightning/XL1200 head are 1.715" diameter and that's just about the biggest valve that seat can handle (NRHS pushes it to 1.760" but that's it). So you have to change the seat to go to a 1.9" valve. On the other hand the valves in an XB head are 1.810" in diameter - which is a big reason why it flows so much more - and the seat can handle up to a 1.9" valve.

"The fact is the old lightning heads do not perform as well as a Blast head, or an XB head - to say they are nearly the same because they share the same casting is a false statement."

You're wrong again, they don't share the same casting. The Blast head has an additional tie link point cast into it and also doesn't have the carb mount/breather hole. Other than that though it's the same as a Lightning head with the same valve sizes, valve angles, valves, springs, guides, locks, retainers, ports, chamber, and deck height. It flows the same and performs the same because for every portion of it that has anything to do with performance it's completely totally identical to a Lightning head. All the denial in the world by you won't change those facts.

"This is your last warning. "

Since when is it against Badweb rules to correct bad information? If you're going to ban me for correcting your bad information it just shows how childish and insecure you are. Go right ahead.

On the other hand if you truly believe what you're saying is right then BET ME! If you're right I'll donate $1,000 to Badweb. If I'm right you donate $1,000 to the XL Forum. Deal?
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Ezblast
Posted on Friday, October 23, 2009 - 01:19 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

"...childish and insecure you are. Go right ahead. "

"Ezblast where's your balls?"

etc.

- these are all rude comments and will not be tolerated if consistently used in this forum - you are warned.

Now to eat some crow and for you to learn some facts -

Lightning, Screaming Eagle, sportster Sport heads all have a Lightning style combustion chamber with simular sizes, but parts and engine specifics do make them different. Oh and the Blast engine deck height on the engine side is higher. The Older Thunderstorm valve is just a tad larger valves, but has poorer flow. The XB head is not a Lightning style head, and is better.

The reason the Blast has faster cylinder fill is due to a set of differences unique to a single - and why the different piston, cam, etc. than what the twins run.

I really don't worry about who's right, just as long as it is right in the end. My job is to baby sit folks such as yourself who use personal attacks as part of how they back up their arguements - un called for, and you are still on notice. As for NHRS - they have been proven wrong often enough, last time was in the 515cc kit section, and they where the founders of that section but they have no answer for why the Iron kits are nuking,the spark plug is another example, etc.... yet my Millinium Kit is fine, all I need is new rings.

So that is the answer from the horses mouth!
EZ
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Jeffreyh
Posted on Friday, October 23, 2009 - 04:34 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

"Lightning, Screaming Eagle, sportster Sport heads all have a Lightning style combustion chamber"

Wow, you finally said something that's right! But you left out that Blast heads have that SAME combustion chamber as all those heads because a Blast head is a Lightning head. If you talked to revperf you know that!


"but parts and engine specifics do make them different."

Wrong again. ALL parts used in all those heads you listed and the Blast head are the same and even have the same part numbers. Valves, springs, retainers, locks, guides, seat locaters, guide seals, and seats are ALL the same in all those heads and the Blast head. I have all the parts books and I can prove that very easily. The only functional differences in any of those heads are that some of them are dual plugged from the factory.

"Oh and the Blast engine deck height on the engine side is higher."

Yes, the CASE deck is higher on the Blast. That's why the Blast rod is longer than the XB rod like I said. But you kept trying to say there was something special about the HEAD deck, which was WRONG.

"The Older Thunderstorm valve is just a tad larger valves, but has poorer flow."

Wrong again. ALL Thunderstorm heads came with 1.810" intake and 1.575" exhaust. ALL Lightning heads including the Blast head have 1.715" intake and 1.480" exhaust. A Thunderstorm head flows more than a Blast head or any other Lightning head because it's port is better and it's valves are bigger.

"The XB head is not a Lightning style head, and is better."

You said something else that's right! Glad you've come around on that.

"The reason the Blast has faster cylinder fill is due to a set of differences unique to a single"

Wrong again. The amount of time the engine has to fill the cylinder is the time between when the intake valve opens and when it closes again so it's completely a function of cam timing and rpm, nothing else. There's nothing about being a single that makes that time faster. Just think about how the engine works.

"- and why the different piston, cam, etc. than what the twins run."

WRONG AGAIN. A Blast has the same Thunderstorm piston as every Thunderstorm twin through 2002 came with and the same "W" cams as all XL1200S Sportster Sport models, 2004-up XL1200's, and 2007-up XL883's. Nothing specific to a single at ALL.

"As for NHRS - they have been proven wrong often enough"

Put down NRHS all you want everything they said about Blast heads was RIGHT and what you were saying was WRONG. You posted a bunch of bad information here and you still can't admit you were wrong and you keep right on posting bad information and putting down the company that gave 100% correct info. You really need to just admit you were wrong and still are and stop all this.

"these are all rude comments and will not be tolerated if consistently used in this forum - you are warned."

The truth is you just don't like being corrected and you want to ban me so you can keep right on posting bad information without being corrected. Go right ahead, you'll just prove I'm right. Actually you already know I've been right with everything I said. You haven't shown one single thing I've said to be wrong.

My offer to bet you still stands. I'll pay $1,000 to Badweb if I'm wrong and you'll pay $1,000 to the XL forum if I'm right. I'm waiting.
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Ezblast
Posted on Friday, October 23, 2009 - 06:30 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Wrong again. The amount of time the engine has to fill the cylinder is the time between when the intake valve opens and when it closes again so it's completely a function of cam timing and rpm, nothing else. There's nothing about being a single that makes that time faster. Just think about how the engine works.
Wrong again - I asked, its more than just cam, it is a combination of the motor's profile.

As for NHRS - that has already been proven by better than I, so I have nothing to prove and they on the other hand have several corrections that would need to happen on the information the have espoused.

The truth is you just don't like being corrected and you want to ban me so you can keep right on posting bad information without being corrected. Go right ahead, you'll just prove I'm right. Actually you already know I've been right with everything I said. You haven't shown one single thing I've said to be wrong.
Wrong again - or I would not have posted what I did. Remember you are warned. I suspect you are a shill for NHRS, however, I will take Brian's words over theirs any day. Period.
EZ



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Fahren
Posted on Friday, October 23, 2009 - 07:46 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Wow. Just wandered onto this one w/o any warning.... looks like you two need a BEER SUMMIT!!!!!!
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Jeffreyh
Posted on Friday, October 23, 2009 - 08:29 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

"I asked, its more than just cam, it is a combination of the motor's profile."

Ezblast whether you want to believe it or not the cylinder only fills when the intake valve is open. That's a fact not an opinion.

The cam spec called "duration" is how many crankshaft degrees the cam will hold the valve open. That's another fact not an opinion.

The cam is driven mechanically by the crankshaft. That's another fact not an opinion.

Now put all those facts together. Since the cylinder can only fill when the cam is holding the intake valve open which is given by the cam duration and the cam is driven mechanically by the engine, the amount of time the cylinder has available to fill is determined by the cam duration and how fast the engine is turning. Those are facts not an opinion.

That time is exactly the same amount of time whether the engine has one cylinder or one hundred cylinders for that matter if the engine has the same cam duration and is turning the same rpm. It doesn't change with number of cylinders. That's another fact not an opinion.

Denying any of these facts only makes you look like you have no idea how a four stroke engine works which you obviously don't.

"I suspect you are a shill for NHRS"

You're the one who keeps bringing up NRHS not me. Put them down all you want but they were RIGHT and you were WRONG all along and you know it you're just not man enough to admit it. Putting them down and threatening to ban me because I was posting the CORRECT information as given to me by NRHS is very revealing because it shows how insecure you are. You still even now haven't admitted you were wrong even though you know it.

Sorry to burst your bubble but a Blast is a bike that's designed to be as CHEAP as possible not designed to be some kind of super powerful thing. They used stuff they already had from the twins like the cylinder, the head, the piston, the cams, the transmission etc so they didn't have to redesign and retool any more than necessary and to get the parts cheaper because the volumes were already high. If you don't know that then you don't know very much about Blasts. Instead you have a fantasy that they went to all this trouble to make it as perfectly designed as they could for maximum power.

By the way I withdraw my offer to bet. I found out one other difference between the Blast head and all the other Lightning heads. NRHS did not give me bad information though it's something I assumed. I'll leave you to wonder what it is but I admit it. I don't think it changes the performance but I'll find out for sure from the TRUE experts on these heads not from some internet know-it-all who obviously just makes things up.

You gave TONS of bad information though and even though you now know you were wrong because you talked to revperf you still won't come out and admit it. That tells a lot about you, your ego is much more important than posting the right information.

Go ahead ban me so you can keep telling your fantasies. Banning me is the only way you're going to stop me from telling the REAL FACTS.
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Ezblast
Posted on Friday, October 23, 2009 - 10:20 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

First that is common knowledge to all the folks who specialize in that field - Brian is one, Wes another, etc., those are the folks, I am not one of them, never claimed to be I never said I couln't be wrong, in fact I've been wrong plenty of times, and thats fine, I'm who I am, a true friend of the bike. All of us make assumptions based on what we know, its a part of life and learning. Actually though it also has to do with intake tract velocities, and some other things Brian mentioned, the cam is only one part of the equation.

Also I have not given out a ton of bad advice - as you say - I've given hard advice only on the things I've experienced, the rest is just my opinion, which as anyone on this board will tell you has been wrong before, and probably will be again, but that doesn't stop me from learning, and helping where I can, and usually I do that well. I put this Thumper Section (and others)together, and am very happy with the results. Using this forum, anything I need to know I can find here, ask and validate, using experts who are here and enjoy the fellowship as well. I helped a bitter ex-dirtracker rebuild his Blast group twice, and this guy doesn't even like me, sounds like you actually, and probably is, I really don't care. You distort truth with your opinions, which still show no merrit and you are rude and you obviously just came by to stir the pot - I don't want to be an expert in HD heads, I just want to know what works, and what doesn't and how to do it/fix it - like anyone else. They don't let me run this place because I'm some kind of expert, but because I believe in finding out what is true and know the experts to ask. On this Board I'd say Swampy and Erik are solid experts, and even they can miss a trick. You sound very knowledgeable about the Blast. And there are only a hand full of folks I would say that to. Please don't take that as a complement though, for in the face of the way you put your information before others, belittling to aggrandize lessens you and makes what you say worthless. I pity you for that, you could have been so useful here with all that knowledge to share. But just like Ralph's group - a moving corpse that is too scared to post for fear of being trashed - your own actions will probably get you booted, and unlike the old days when I went to bat for ole Ralph, you've already struck out with me. Talk/write to any other person on this board using that same tone as you have with me and your gone - no one likes to be purposely bated, and insulted just so another can make a point, and it is not happening here.

Is that understood?
EZ
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Kenster32
Posted on Friday, October 23, 2009 - 10:51 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

wow YOUR STUFF IS REAL complicated my bike runs cuz god sits on my shoulder and says let there be BANG each time my cylinder compress
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Ezblast
Posted on Friday, October 23, 2009 - 11:34 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Kinda how mine works too - lol - thanks for keeping it in perspective!
EZ
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Monzaracer
Posted on Sunday, October 25, 2009 - 02:42 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Jefferyh, personally if you never posted again in your arrogant, belittling,condescending, petty style I would be fine.
As for what was said, and point to be made poorer flow doesnt have to mean less it CAN mean worse flow quality.
As an engine builder (mostly cars) performance specialist I can tell you specific heads may flow better with smaller valves/ports and using larger valves/hogging ports can destroy flow characteristics.
Of ALL the people on here your attitude would, if I didnt have history and FRIENDS here, I would leave. On a Sportster forum a guy(moderator) got all wigged out about a post which the fella used a phrase that this one didnt like and no warning banned the guy rather than privately warn him and let him edit his post or simply remove it.
Your throwing out your $1000 "offer" makes me NOT want to like you even more regardless of where the money goes.
You also come off as callous, self important and many other titles I wont waste time writing down. If I had the power this thread would be locked.
I an done, reading your diatribes, well I may have to take some time away from Thumper forums.
In other words SHUT THE F@#K UP, PLEASE.
This is regardless of your being right or wrong.
Oh and grow up.
Later all, Ill be back. but this thread should be locked. Its done. Sorry just my $0.02.
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Sycho
Posted on Sunday, October 25, 2009 - 03:24 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

"but this thread should be locked. Its done. Sorry just my $0.02."

I CONCUR!!! lol
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Garlic_sauce
Posted on Sunday, October 25, 2009 - 07:01 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Seeing the 3(?) people with a destroyed 515cc kit was enough for me to avoid anything NHRS makes, even if their other stuff is good. I think it's really lame that they still sell those kits even though they HAVE to know they are time bombs. I don't have any respect for companies like that, I certainly wouldn't believe a word they said because of that either. This guy really sounds like a NHRS troll though. Of the year or so I have been here I have never seen anyone act like that...
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Ezblast
Posted on Sunday, October 25, 2009 - 01:28 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I think he's toast guys, he knows that anything else said would be a ban, and so he is back at his yahoo group, screwing it up even worse than the hackers before him - that was infamous Ralph - lol
EZ
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Ezblast
Posted on Sunday, October 25, 2009 - 03:09 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I would like to state in fairness to Revolution Performance - their very early cylinders had issues, but that was over 8 years ago when they where a small shop, they now have a modern facility and are the preferred distributor of nickel-silicon carbide plated bore cylinders with lifetime warrentee - I look forward to the fact on mine that All I need do is change the rings and clean the piston. Yes - these 515cc kits cost a bit more, however, you don't have to worry about them becoming junk as well - http://www.revperf.com/Blast/BlastPerform.html - see what I'm saying here, if you stick with tested and true BADWEB vendors, you won't go wrong.
EZ
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Jeffreyh
Posted on Sunday, October 25, 2009 - 03:50 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

"Also I have not given out a ton of bad advice - as you say"

I never said you gave out bad "advice" I said you gave out bad information. Let's review shall we?

1. You said "the Blast head in stock form is the best flowing head of all the stock Buell heads." - WRONG! A stock Blast head flows 100-110cfm and a stock Thunderstorm or XB head flows 125-135cfm

2. Then when I said I'd find out you tried to backpedal and make it about velocity - WRONG! The XB head actually has a smaller higher velocity port.

3. Then you tried to say that a Blast head "expels quicker" and being a single it must be set up "for quick fill and expulsion" - WRONG! It's the same ports and same valve sizes as every other 91-03 XL head.

4. Then you tried to claim that "a twin has air overlap, a single does not" - WRONG! There is no window in time when both cylinders of a Harley or Buell twin pull on the carburetor at the same time.

5. Then you tried to claim "a single takes a faster gulp, not bigger, just faster" - WRONG! It's got the same amount of time to take a gulp as a twin that's got the same cam timing and is turning the same rpm and having more cylinders doesn't change the time available.

6. Then you tried to claim that the Blast doesn't have the same chamber as a Lightning head saying "or they would have the same piston" - WRONG! It's the exact same chamber and in the twins it came with flat tops and in the Blast it came with a Thunderstorm piston.

7. Then you said "lol - the Blast actually runs a hi comp sportster piston" - WRONG! Blasts use regular Thunderstorm pistons from the factory and Thunderstorm pistons never came in Sportsters.

8. Then you said "The Blast head has several unique features that where test beds for the future XB line" - WRONG! There isn't a single thing about the Blast head that was a test bed for the XB head, the Blast head is just a Lightning head.

9. Then you said unique valve angles and deck were introduced on the Blast head and rolled into the XB heads - WRONG! The valve angles are all the same on all the factory heads 27 intake 31 exhaust and the deck on the Blast head is exactly the same as every other Lightning head.

10. Then you said "if the Blast head was just a lightning head, then they would have used a matching piston that is already Built for that head, instead of the generic hi-comp they did use" - WRONG! It's just a Lightning head and HD-Buell never made a special piston for the Lightning head they just used flat tops on the twins and the hi-comp they used isn't generic it's a regular Thunderstorm piston.

11. Then you said the Blast head casting "has different design characteristics, deck height, etc. to compensate for engine design" - WRONG! Same deck height, it just has the mount point for the tie link and the breather/carb mount bolt removed.

12. Then you said "the xb9 has a longer connecting rod by just a tiny bit?" - WRONG! The Blast rod is longer than the XB9 rod.

13. Then you said "The parts are different" between Lightning and Blast heads - WRONG! There is one part different but every single other part is the same and carries the same part number.

14. Then you said "the old lightning heads do not perform as well as a Blast head" - WRONG! They're exactly the same head in every way that affects performance.

15. Then you said the Blast has a "different piston, cam, etc. than what the twins run" - WRONG! Same Thunderstorm piston as the tubers and same W cams as the 1200S and late model Sportsters.

16. Then you said "The Older Thunderstorm valve is just a tad larger valves, but has poorer flow" - WRONG! All stock Thunderstorm heads have 1.810" intake valves and flow more than the Blast head and it's a less turbulent flow too because the port is better shaped.

So that's at least 16 times you gave out misinformation. You STILL haven't admitted you didn't know what you were talking about much less apologized for all your insults and put downs and threats even though you talked to revperf and now you KNOW you were WRONG.

"I put this Thumper Section (and others)together, and am very happy with the results."

I guess you're happy with misinformation then? Brag on it all you want but a GOOD admin would want to make sure the information is CORRECT that should be your first concern. Judging by the number of things you said that were flat out wrong it's obviously not important to you or not as important to you as your ego.

"I believe in finding out what is true and know the experts to ask."

You argued tooth and nail and threatened to ban me over and over for posting the actual true facts that you still won't even admit. Just go look at your posts you argued and argued on something you clearly didn't know and left no possibility at all you were wrong WHICH YOU WERE. What kind of an admin is that?

"You sound very knowledgeable about the Blast."

I am not at all knowledgeable on the Blast but I know who to ask. By the way I did not get my information from NRHS after all I got it from Aaron Wilson and he told me he's not with NRHS anymore. So you better start putting down Aaron instead of NRHS. I'm sure you'll say he doesn't know what he's talking about either huh?

I think though it's really lame to bring up something about spark plugs and something about motor failures to try to discredit NRHS. Those things have nothing to do with whether or not the information is CORRECT you just bring that stuff up because you have no other defense and you can't admit you were wrong.

"he knows that anything else said would be a ban"

If you haven't figured it out yet your threats to ban me don't intimidate me. Any board that would ban someone for hurting the admin's feelings with ACTUAL TRUE FACTS isn't worth my time anyway. So just do it if your ego is bruised and it makes you feel like a big man again.

On the other hand if having the RIGHT information on here is more important than your ego then you should THANK me and my sources for providing it and next time not get so defensive and start insulting people and threatening to ban someone for correcting your bad information. You started all that stuff not me.
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Tortoise
Posted on Sunday, October 25, 2009 - 05:15 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Could someone please archive this discussion in the "who gives a shit?" section?
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Gearheaderiko
Posted on Sunday, October 25, 2009 - 09:44 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

While not really part of this discussion:
FWIW: I believe the problem with the 515 is in the piston. 'They' both use CP pistons and while a regular overbore CP piston (.015") went thousands of miles without failure, I've seen a rash of the 515's going less than 1000 miles failing at the intake valve. I dont know why and CP blamed engine tuning (I sent them the piston). Poor piston/combustion chamber fit has been cited by someone who checked, but ran it anyway (it is supposed to be a "bolt in" part).
I'd like to find the real answer and until then I wouldnt run a 515 and have serious doubts about running the 600. : (

As far as the current argument I only have Blast and XB heads and specs to go by. I have nothing to add only that I wouldnt bother with anything other than the XB head If I were going to upgrade.
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Ezblast
Posted on Sunday, October 25, 2009 - 11:24 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

First - I didn't bring this topic up, you did. Second - I never said that, that was information heard from Bartell's as it states. Third I never claimed to be an expert, but fairly researched everyone of your points, ate some crow, learned some stuff, and still you come off the same way - if all you can do is attack to get your point across, then you are not wanted here, that kind of behavior is only tolerated in Ralph's group, because he is the one that acts that way, and you never deny that you are not Ralph, not after any of the times I mentioned him. Sorry - you are banned your ability to share knowledge in an adult reasonable fashion is too flawed to tolerate - the xl forum is the only one that will let you post, and SACBORG - what a privilege - they deserve you - lol
Asta Baby!
EZ
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Slowhand96
Posted on Monday, October 26, 2009 - 01:27 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Well that was an exciting read.

But now my head hurts. And what am I going to do with all the troll pics I was getting ready now that he's gone?

He seemed knowledgeable but must have been having a bad day. EZ do you think that was Ralph? I wasn't here in the Ralph days, it that what it was like?
So in the end... was he right, partly right? Wrong?

EZ can you do a follow up on the information you found?
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Gearheaderiko
Posted on Monday, October 26, 2009 - 01:37 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

No, the ralph days were worse, but there have been others....
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Garlic_sauce
Posted on Monday, October 26, 2009 - 06:23 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)



EZ! BET ME SOME MONEY! I WANT TO BUY A 515 KIT!!!!
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