| Author | Message | ||
     Oldog |
This new and outrageous development brought to you by your elected public servants. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29298315 Wreck the currency. Disarm the populace Tax the populace into poverty take over the country | ||
| Gentleman_jon |
Chin up old buddy. We still have elections.  | ||
| Limitedx1 |
just unplug your speedo or unplug your sensor!!!!! | ||
| Swordsman |
What the bloody HELL.... the government demands more fuel efficient cars, then gets mad because they're not making as much off fuel taxes? In the immortal words of Red Forman: DUMB@SS!"  That's a GREAT idea for helping the economy along; tax the heck out of the poor bastards that have to commute out of town to even have a job. ~SM (Message edited by Swordsman on February 20, 2009) | ||
| Ourdee |
I'll buy a used speedometer! Unplugging a speedo = extracting a wedgy.  | ||
| Babired |
I'm with Ourdee! | ||
| Froggy |
Except if you read the article they plan on doing it by GPS. You can make a GPS blocker cheap, but they are illegal. | ||
| Ourdee |
Privacy concerns are based more on perception than any actual risk, Atkinson said. The satellite information would be beamed one way to the car and driving information would be contained within the device on the car, with the amount of the tax due the only information that's downloaded, he said. The devices also could be programmed to charge higher rates to vehicles that are heavier, like trucks that put more stress on roadways, Atkinson said. Like they would never record max speed or location of said speed, Yea right. To charge higher by weight, NOT less my sub 500 pound friends. I need to read something else as this rankles me. | ||
| Buellgrrrl |
From reading several geeky engineering publications I have surmised that the real cost of building and maintaining highways is about $.05/ton/mile. The relationship is logarithmic rather than progressive though, with the most heavily loaded axle of the vehicle determining the wear on the road. Thusly the real villian that is destroying our roads is the heavily loaded bus, garbage truck, or dump truck with often over 10 tons on the heaviest axle(s). Our Buells typically operate with a gross weight of around .4 ton. If the relationship between weight and road wear were a straight line one that'd be a cost of 2 cents a mile. Given that most motorcycles, Buells included, are ridden only a couple thousand miles a year, that two cents a mile comes to maybe $40-60 a year, about what many of us are paying now. Most of that annual licensing fee is sucked up by the cost of collecting it. Given the logarithmic relationship between weight and road costs and the costs of administering road tax collection by either annual fee or mileage, it'd make more sense to charge motorcycles a one time fee of less than $100 when they're first registered and issue them a lifetime permanent registration and license plate. It'd accomplish a lot more to make the big trucks and busses pay more and make their fees based on mileage, with discounts given for increasing the number of axles to better spread their weight and for "road friendly" air suspensions. Europe has been a leader in doing this, with discounts on license fees for adding more axles, air suspension, and advanced exhaust emission controls. MobilityGeek AKA BuellGrrrl | ||
| Seanp |
It's a heck of a lot easier to hack a GPS device to report false information, change the weight or turn off for a period of time than it is to hack the gas pump to not extract so much tax when you fill up. | ||
| Preybird1 |
Those guys can go F@#%^% themselves in the a$$ this will never pass senate, No way no how is anyone going to put a G.P.S on there car that is monitored by any government agency! I don't think accessory vehicles will be included. This reminds me of when they were trying to make parents have there kids finger printed in schools, I say B.S. and kiss off! | ||
| Limitedx1 |
hey i was finger printed in like fourth grade....  gosh darn conspiracy i smell!!!!  | ||
| Oldog |
Chin up old buddy. We still have elections. choose one a. BAD b. WORSE remove all incumbants. make provable graft punishable. I will pay taxes on fuel I will not pay taxes on milage .. I want to know with the unimaginable amount of petrolium that the US uses, What is being done with the tax money? based on the condition of local roads, spent some where else. | ||
| Buellgrrrl |
Guys, You've already lost the battle... Got a cell phone? You're already trackable. Got a vehicle with an OBDII port? Easy to tell where you been, how fast, etc.. That's how they got the evidence to convict the republican congressman that blew a stop sign and killed a biker. | ||
| Wolfridgerider |
If we all refuse... they can put us ALL in jail... 3 hots and a cot... free dental... | ||
| B00stzx3 |
Can't we just tax the mileage on yachts, Bentleys and a country club membership tax instead? | ||
| P_squared |
Don't give 'em anymore ideas of what else to tax. Like I want them even THINKING about another 'luxury' tax? In politician speak, if you own a motorcycle, it's a luxury, so should therefore be taxed, EXORBITANTLY. The reasoning isn't that much of a stretch of the imagination for the crooks, er, politicians. | ||
| Arcticktm |
Buellgrrl, Not following you on how OBDII can tell where you have been? How fast, far, etc, certainly is easy. My old company was occasionally asked to extract the computer info from our diesel engines for court or criminal cases involving class 8 trucks. Speed, load, etc, but no location (without an add on module, anyway). As for the other folks saying "no one will ever put a GPS in my car". +1 on the cell phone, and have you not heard of Onstar in most GM vehicles (and others)? How do you think they know where to send help to in the car accident TV commercials? It's already here, so be careful... | ||
| Zenfrogmaster |
> driving information would be contained within the device on the car, with the amount of the tax due the only information that's downloaded EMP damage the day before inspection can be a terrible thing... | ||
| Wolfridgerider |
Who the hell is gonna pay the GPS unit?.. The installation of the GPS... Collection of the tax... | ||
| Ourdee |
Wolf, The consumer. | ||
| Rainman |
According to my 2004 Corolla owners manual, my car has a black box in it that records throttle settings, rpm and other important information, including ABS activation. The information belongs to me, unless the insurance company totals the car, in which case the info belongs to the insurance company or if the police subpoena it. I wish we could trust our government, but they've just outlawed all ATVs and motorcycles for anyone 12 and under by legislating the lead content in kids toys. Help me Mr. Wizard! | ||
| Greenlantern |
Wait a minute......Soooooooo they need more tax revenue but they do NOT want to raise the existing tax any further........and therefore will spend existing TAX dollars from the funds they are short of in the first place to implement a system to RAISE tax dollars for that same fund? Even our friend Steve thinks that there is messed up and he knows his RATS! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fds_hupE2vQ&feature =related | ||
| Wolfridgerider |
http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/player/popup/?cl=1 2131768 and we got this to look forward to.... | ||
| Danny_h__jesternut |
All you have to do is wrap your car/truck/motorcycle in tin-foil. | ||
| Fast1075 |
Mind-Criminals!!!....hope the Thought-Police get you!!!....the idea is Double-plus-good...Oceania needs this thing...so says the Ministry of Truth. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
Dumb. Top to bottom, these folks are just dumb. The great news is that we will get to see every great hairbrained idea over the next two years. Buckle in boys. It's going to get worse before it gets better. | ||
| Buellgrrrl |
The proposal is already DOA, and the scavengers are picking over the bones... Over at Daily Kos it drew around a thousand comments, mostly negative. | ||
| Diablobrian |
If they would spend the gas tax where it's supposed to be spent instead of putting it in the general fund...... This isn't really about the gas tax falling short, it's about fear of bio-diesel, hybrid, and electric cars taking money out of the coffers for the politician's pet projects. What I really dislike is the intellectual dishonesty of being "against increasing the gas tax" while trying to implement a mileage tax. How stupid do they think we are? Never mind, don't answer that.  | ||
| Wolfridgerider |
Buckle in boys. It's going to get worse before it gets better. You're starting to sound like Obama..... LOL |
