| Author | Message | ||
     Alligood |
My son's 2007 is in the shop with an estimated $2500 repair bill for engine damage described as 'oil related'. Can anyone point me to a source for complete replacement (stock) engines, either new or rebuilt? I would consider doing the replacement myself if I could locate an engine. Thanks, John | ||
| Ustorque |
with a repair price like that i would be looking toward purchasing a complete used blast, which would give you an engine and complete parts bike for future repair. not to mention used blasts can be had for less than $2500. EDIT: what kind of damage was done that they have deemed it non-warranty? just curious. (Message edited by ustorque on July 20, 2008) | ||
| Tramp |
+1... Also- let me know if you'd like to sell the complete bike with the damaged engine, for a good price... or just the engine. | ||
| No_rice |
EDIT: what kind of damage was done that they have deemed it non-warranty? just curious. thats my first question. that thing should have a 2 year warranty. then second. what the heck could have happened to cause $2500 worth of damage to a blast motor. | ||
| Gentleman_jon |
Hard to imagine anything but leaving the drain plug out, that would have caused that kind of " Oil related" damage. Normally when refilling the oil, the absence of a drain plug is rather obvious. (Don't ask how I know:-) If that wasn't the problem, you should be covered. If the dealer is a bit reluctant to honor the warranty, (not an entirely unknown situation), a call to Buell Customer Service may prove helpful. Good luck. As mentioned above, you can get a perfectly good, almost new Blast for $2,5K, so spending that money on a repair does not seem to be the best possible plan. | ||
| Ezblast |
A lean condition can hole a piston, damage a head - with stock parts the price to replace was almost 1400 - piston/cyl not warrenteed - labor sigh - that's when I tried for using a parts upgrade to not experience this again under warrentee - they the dealer agreed and so a Millinnium cyl/pistion and highly reworked head, ignition, etc. where added - 8 years ago when it happened to me totaled to what they are asking now for stock parts from you - unless pieces of metal also got into the case - they did a full tear down and rebuild to inspect just that and check speck as requested - I paid for that part and new bearings - some dealers will do this some won't - you can always approach them with the idea. Aprox 750 max could have you rebuild the whole engine yourself as long as the case is usable - involve a lot of part inspection on your part and definitely new bearings - lol - and then there is the call of the Dark side;0) EZ (Message edited by ezblast on July 20, 2008) | ||
| Swampy |
There is a Blast in the classified for $1500. An oil pump drive gear failure can cause $2500 worth of repairs. At one time Buell used to list a complete engine in the Blast parts of the webpage for $2500 | ||
| Teddagreek |
2007, Huh!!! I've heard some bad blast story's but not any newer ones.. Like Jon said I'd call Buell customer service.... You could always rebuild it with your son that would be another option.. When your buying an engine, your rolling the dice.. Good Luck... | ||
| Alligood |
Thanks all for the suggestions. I will call the Harley shop on Monday and ask about warranty. The bike was not abused or run dry. Since it's a 2007, I am assuming that it would be less than two years old even though manufacture date was 2006. My son did not get any warranty paperwork with the bike. Does anyone know if any action is required to transfer the warranty to a second owner? thanks, John | ||
| Gentleman_jon |
The two year warranty starts from the date of sale, which is often several months or even a year after manufacture. Any Buell Dealer can get that information for you for any Buell, and so can Buell Customer service. As I recall, you do not need to do anything to transfer the warranty, but I could be wrong. Many Buell dealers are not very enthusiastic about honoring warranty claims on bikes bought elsewhere, because the reimbursement by the Mother Ship is not overly generous, and they can make more money by charging you for the service instead. It is not unusual to try several dealers before finding a good one. Sounds like you might not have found one yet.  | ||
| Tramp |
ummm...actually, being as it was second-hand, you need to ensure that it wasn't a salvage title or otherwise non-warranty dealer unit (this condition is far more common than many folks realize)...often these units have preexisting issues which lead to the no-warranty condition | ||
| Bads1 |
If it was a salvage title the dealer has a bigger problem with in the case it was not disclosed.... if that would be the case. If the bike should still be under warranty it should infact still be under warranty. Call Buell customer service tell them your problem and what you have so far went through with your dealer and if anything can be done to rectify it. | ||
| Alligood |
I ran a carfax check - it's not a salvage title. I guess I'll know more after I talk to the shop tomorrow. The mechanic there mentioned to my son that there was something up with the swing arm and that some parts were fused. I don't know what bearing that may have on the damage. Could a failure in the swing arm area cause a loss of oil? I only have a vague sense of the lubrication system, but I understand that the frame is an oil reservoir. | ||
| Tramp |
"If the bike should still be under warranty it should infact still be under warranty"  | ||
| Ezblast |
Could a failure in the swing arm area cause a loss of oil? No If it is a 2007 model - then you still have warrentee - but note the fine print - as I said some parts are not warrented - EZ | ||
| Tramp |
Whoaaa- engine would be warranteed, IF it the major unit is under warranty...bear in mind that, even though the scoot's a 2007, that is NO guarantee that it IS under warranty. There are cases where shops take 'bad' scoots in trade and resell w/o warranty, or sell demos that have had service issues, W/O warranty and it's legal, according to sale invoice notes | ||
| Bads1 |
W/O warranty and it's legal, according to sale invoice notes If the bike still should be under warranty then they can't deny you the remaining warranty. They could still indeed sell you extended if you desire. But then again in Tramp area of the country it could be different then here in Wisconsin. | ||
| Tramp |
A dealer, anywhere in The USA, is permitted to sell major units w/o warranty, (as in cases of trades, etc.) as long as this non-warranty condition is disclosed, such as in cases of Salvage titles, previously 'service-totaled' demos, etc. | ||
| Odinbueller |
That's all true - but it's possible in this case the bike wasn't even purchased from a dealer. Isn't there some mention of a warranty transfer of owners and whether there's paperwork? SO I guess my point is, if you buy it from a regular person, I don't think he or she is under the same disclosure requirements. Alli - PM sent. ->ChelleM | ||
| Bads1 |
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| Tramp |
" but it's possible in this case the bike wasn't even purchased from a dealer. Isn't there some mention of a warranty transfer of owners and whether there's paperwork? SO I guess my point is, if you buy it from a regular person, I don't think he or she is under the same disclosure requirements. " Bingo- Also- the OP doesn't mention a Buell factory service facility....} | ||
| Alligood |
I spoke to the shop. They will not honor the warranty because the primary drive oil was low. We don't have service records, so I don't know what to do next. I think I will call Buell directly. John | ||
| Tramp |
Wellll....If service interval was performed BY a factory-authorized dealer/service facility, they'd have the records....ask to see the unit's service history. If, in fact, service was performed by an agent other than a factory-authorized dealer/service facility, it will void warranty. To the dealer's defense, how can they monitor oil levels if the consumer doesn't bring the unit in for scheduled maintenance? | ||
| New12r |
If, in fact, service was performed by an agent other than a factory-authorized dealer/service facility, it will void warranty. FALSE. A factory warranty cannot be void because you change your own oil. If you provide receipts for the oil and show a log of mileage then there is no question. I bought my parts from my dealer(oil and filter) for every oil change and they never once questioned me. | ||
| Tramp |
Why would they question you? You did the right thing, and bought the right fluids... What, exactly, was your warranty issue, and how far out of run-in period was your major unit? | ||
| Tramp |
What was the nature of your warranty issue, New12r? Was your unit past run-in interval at the time of warranty? | ||
| Nxtr |
Alligood, Did you buy your bike from the dealer? How many miles were on the bike at purchase and current? Did you receive an owners manual with it? V/R, Nick | ||
| Tramp |
"My son did not get any warranty paperwork with the bike" hhhmmmm....... | ||
| New12r |
Why would they question you? You did the right thing, and bought the right fluids... What, exactly, was your warranty issue, and how far out of run-in period was your major unit? They had no reason too. Aprox 15k on the clock. It was a bearing issue in the clutch release(prolly my fault from too many wheelies/burnouts). Alli, good luck. keep us posted. | ||
| Thumper74 |
The primary drive was low? How many miles? How low was it? Was the fluid level being low a contributing factor to the failure? Was the lack of maintenance a contributing factor to the failure? Was there lack of maintenance? Were there any active leaks in the primary? Is the engine oil high and the primary low? Or vice versa? They cannot void your warranty for performing your own maintenance, unless they offer you the maintenance free of charge. We need more info... The warranty information is in the Owner's Manual, I don't recall getting any 'warranty paperwork' when I bought my Sporty new. I've been doing vehicle service contract claim adjudication for a few years now. I believe there is another member here that specializes in contractual language. Transferring the warranty? Nah... The Owner's Manual doesn't state that it HAS to be transferred, just that they recommend "When purchasing a pre-owned Buell, we encourage you to submit an Owner Transfer Notification Form. It is critical that new owner information is communicated to the Buell Motorcycle Company. New owner information is required to be on file with the Buell Motorcycle Company to transfer an Extended Service Plan Contract. The Buell Motorcycle Company is also required by the National Traffic and Motor Vehicle Safety Act to notify all owners in the event of a recall. The form may be obtained at any Buell dealer." It doesn't state that it must be transferred to the keep the original warranty in effect. It also states "2. Any unexpired portion of this limited warranty will be transferred to subsequent owner, upon the resale of the motorcycle/sidecar during the warranty period." I bought my first Buell used, recieved 1 key, no manual, etc. The Buell dealer did the warranty work on the bike without fuss... There is plenty of help to be had on badweb, but there seems to be some information missing... I would check www.buell.com and download a copy of your Owner's Manual to see what your specific rights are... Keep in mind that the warranty does not cover failures due to 'improper maintenance'. |
