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Mhlunsford
Posted on Monday, August 28, 2017 - 09:53 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I know the ford oil filters fit. Will the ford v6 oil cooler sandwich also fit?
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Ratbuell
Posted on Monday, August 28, 2017 - 03:46 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Why?

Is your bike overheating?
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Mhlunsford
Posted on Monday, August 28, 2017 - 04:03 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Georgia gets pretty hot in the summer and engine is pretty hot as well. Not sure if overheating or not. I should do that first.

Will the HD Oil Tank Temp gauge work in the M2 or other recommendation ?
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Lake_bueller
Posted on Monday, August 28, 2017 - 04:19 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I have one of those "spin on" oil coolers. $25 shipped and it's yours.
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Mhlunsford
Posted on Monday, August 28, 2017 - 04:40 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Hey Lake, I read those do not do much -
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Pontlee77
Posted on Tuesday, August 29, 2017 - 11:41 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Some people have installed XB oil coolers, jaggs does or did oil coolers for tubers
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Harleyelf
Posted on Thursday, August 31, 2017 - 10:47 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The HD oil tank thermometer will not fit due to the shape of the M2 oil tank, it hits the curved lower surface. Use a meat thermometer right after a ride. 180 - 210 is ideal for steaming water out of your oil. My S3 had no overheating issues all the time I lived in Florida and your M2 won't either unless hot combustion gases get past the rings or valve guides and into the oil. Then it's time for more than an oil cooler. Like a 1250 kit. 230 is hot for a street bike.
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Mhlunsford
Posted on Thursday, August 31, 2017 - 10:55 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Thanks Harleyelf,

The top end was redone some 20K miles ago.
probably ok
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Jayvee
Posted on Thursday, August 31, 2017 - 04:03 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I bought a black Cool Collar knock-off (finned aluminum cover that snaps to the front of the oil filter) for about $12. Since I love fins (and lightening holes) even though its mainly for cosmetics, and even if isn't needed, on the other hand it can't hurt, to me its worth it.
The longer oil filter from the recently defunct Dyna is another cheap way of theoretically improving the oiling system by just having a smidgen more oil.
And/or these two can be combined.
It's predicted to be 114 here in Concord this weekend.
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Mhlunsford
Posted on Thursday, August 31, 2017 - 06:35 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Buellistic recommended the thin ford oil filters that added a little extra oil.

I read the collar coolers really do not do much.

I will pass on the oil coolers for now: adding extra break points just against my way of thinking.
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Pontlee77
Posted on Thursday, August 31, 2017 - 10:26 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

You could use one of those flow or Scott's oil filter that has fins on it and they are washable so no need to buy ever again a filter just clean it back on.
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Ratbuell
Posted on Thursday, August 31, 2017 - 10:51 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Keep in mind the theory behind an oil cooler - on a water-cooled engine, oil is strictly for lubrication. Coolers keep the oil from getting too hot and becoming too thin from the heat, to properly lubricate.

Read that carefully - they keep the OIL from overheating.

An air-cooled engine has no cooling system per se. It has airflow...and the oil. And it is designed - with tolerances and passages to match - to be run with oil at a certain temperature. Changing the temperature of that oil - which in this case does double duty as lubricant AND coolant - can have effects on the engine other than just "running cooler". Not necessarily good effects - the engineers designed the engine to run at a particular temperature for efficiency and for internal clearances and tolerances. Change the temperature...and you change all those tolerances.

A tuber is designed to run without an oil cooler.

Even the factory only added airflow for additional cooling (see the X1 side-mounted cooling fan accessory from back in the day).

An XB is designed to run with an oil cooler and it's passages and clearances are designed accordingly.

I don't monkey with any of that stuff...and I get tons of trouble-free miles out of all my Buells. Factory filters, factory fluids (Syn3), factory batteries (my '09 CR finally needs its first replacement battery)...the engineers really DID know what they were doing when they designed these machines.
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Williamscottrobertson
Posted on Friday, September 01, 2017 - 08:41 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Thank you ratbuell! +1 ^

People don't understand these issues. Have you ever seen an XL or any stock motor with heat damage?

On two strokes, we called it heat soak, running hard without warm up (we know it kills gaskets on our XL motors too right?!) changes the tolerances and squeaks pistons.
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Jayvee
Posted on Friday, September 01, 2017 - 12:17 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The XBs got hugely bigger fins on the cylinders/heads, AND an oil cooler. If I put a big fin cylinder kit on my M2 will that make the lubrication risky? I'm looking at that newt 1275 kit, where I would want the big fins sort of instinctively. I didn't consider crank bearing tolerances though.
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Phelan
Posted on Friday, September 01, 2017 - 01:02 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Big fins is fine as it only adds moderate airflow. Keep in mind big fin cylinders will want big fin heads as well(XB or 04 up xl1200) to match properly, which also requires a new front mount. The XB got the bigger fins and oil cooler particularly because it was originally planned to run a turbo and the rear cylinder is almost completely shrouded, hence the fan as well that pull air across the rear cylinder inside the frame and exiting the tail.

(Message edited by phelan on September 01, 2017)
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Hootowl
Posted on Friday, September 01, 2017 - 02:49 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Folks...

The tubers are not air-oil cooled. There are no oil jets that squirt the pistons. Tubers do not (generally) need an oil cooler.

XB engines ARE air-oil cooled. They put heat into the oil in a way that tubers do not. They need an oil cooler.

The fan for the X1 and S3 was not for engine cooling. It was to compensate, by blowing on the intake manifold, for crappy gas in Japan.
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