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Ourdee
Posted on Friday, April 17, 2020 - 10:10 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Want some vaccine info and secrets of Pharma.

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Sifo
Posted on Friday, April 17, 2020 - 11:23 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

WOW, simply wow. Two posts without watching the video. You do realize you are judging the proverbial book by the cover? Perhaps a peek at the video would show what is compared to what.

Willful ignorance. Funny thing is, that video just provided empirical evidence for what we already know. Activity around the world has slowed. How the hell is even a controversial statement? This has gone the way of political discussion and climate discussions. There are just those who do not want to even acknowledge anything that may upset their world view.

The part I really don't understand is there seem to be those who see this as something that affects the US differently or worse than the rest of the world. It's like they believe there's some world wide conspiracy to hurt the US with a world wide disinformation campaign. They act like the data is being made up and pushed out by countries from around the world, and it's all BS. I simply don't get it.



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Tpehak
Posted on Friday, April 17, 2020 - 12:08 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

China added 50% deaths https://youtu.be/wfyNqt1OqWQ

It seams to me 21 million deaths in China is not too far from true.
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Tpehak
Posted on Friday, April 17, 2020 - 12:15 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Police found 17 coronavirus infected dead bodies

https://youtu.be/wfyNqt1OqWQ
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Ratbuell
Posted on Friday, April 17, 2020 - 12:36 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

So...adding 1,290 deaths makes it into 21 million?

The revision comes just a week and a half after the city celebrated the lifting of an unprecedented 76-day lockdown imposed to stop the disease's spread. The vast majority of China's infections and deaths were recorded in Wuhan. In real numbers, an additional 1,290 deaths were recorded with Friday's admission, bringing the total for Wuhan to 3,869. The number of infections was revised up by 325 to 50,333.

Did you ever GO to math class??
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Aesquire
Posted on Friday, April 17, 2020 - 12:48 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

"It's almost bang on 50%..."

Yeah, that's typical when upper management is just making the numbers up to commit fraud.

Much like 97% is a focus group tested ( seriously! Documentation is out there ) number more people are willing to believe. Oddly 96% has a significantly lower acceptance rate.

There's a reason 97% of scientists believe whatever the hell lie you are selling. Global farting, rabid lizard attacks, percentage of ventilators demanded by a governor who's stockpile had been used up and sold while the funding went to relatives...

But 50% is an amateur mistake. A glaringly perfect number that should raise red flags for any number & spin savvy thinking person.

Like I said, typical upper management reflexive lie. They figure that the lie is easier to remember if it's an easy calculation.

Since the hardest part of lying isn't selling your soul to Satan and The Disney Corporation ( If that's not redundant ) It's remembering which lie you told which group.

It wouldn't do to tell the Black Pastors Association how proudly you supported Jim Crow laws in the 1960s, like you said the day before at the Yellow Dog heritage meeting, where your old Klan buddies gave you a standing ovation for that part of your speech.

Likewise, it's unwise to read the rant for tomorrow's speech on how evil your opponent is for his fundraiser in the Nor-Cal winery, at your Nor-Cal winery fundraiser! THAT speech is for the San Francisco poor people photo op, which you will give through bulletproof glass at the bodega owned by your rich neighbor, ( which won't be in camera ) before your heavily armed private security guards whisk you back to your walled city mansion. ( where you will tweet how walls are racist, and no one should own a gun )

The Chinese Masters just don't have the experience or need for subtlety in their lies. They're too used to just making the folk who admit to noticing disappear. Or threatening to shut down your company in China if you don't cooperate.
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Tpehak
Posted on Friday, April 17, 2020 - 01:42 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Adding 1290 does not make 21 million, but it does make them liars and likely adding 1290 is lie too. So I would trust more 21 million deaths because of there are facts behind this amount.
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Court
Posted on Friday, April 17, 2020 - 01:52 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Some folks will believe anything they are fed.

Some of these videos and observations find most their value in entertainment.

I envy those with the time to while away their hours watching them.

For my part . . . . It’s akin to having surgery perfo4med by Dr. Seuss.

Opinions will vary. I’m cool with that.
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Gregtonn
Posted on Friday, April 17, 2020 - 02:06 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The before an after picture of flights is extremely deceptive without even watching the video.

I did not say I hadn't watched the video, I had.
I said the picture is extremely deceptive.
It is like a sensational headline that is contradicted by the story that follows.
That is willful deception.

I also see that someone else once again childishly refuses to listen to logic that doesn't agree with his point of view.
The self posted meme describes his attitude very well.

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Ourdee
Posted on Friday, April 17, 2020 - 02:40 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

My apologies for not giving you credit for viewing the video. That deception is called click bait. It is an accepted practice on youtube. I do not like it.

Court, And I envy you. Honestly I do. Not trying to be a smart aleck.
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Sifo
Posted on Friday, April 17, 2020 - 03:52 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The before an after picture of flights is extremely deceptive without even watching the video.

With watching the video... we'll get back to that.

I did not say I hadn't watched the video, I had.

You basically did say that.

It is like a sensational headline that is contradicted by the story that follows.
That is willful deception.


With watching the video, and paying attention to the video, you would have seen that that's how they were comparing before and after shots. It wiped from right to left, putting the after shot right where the before shot was (right about the 4:53 mark in this case). The land masses haven't' changed. It's just a shot of the North Atlantic ocean. I see you slept through geography too. You seem pretty confused for someone who had "watched" the video.
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Ratbuell
Posted on Friday, April 17, 2020 - 04:07 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Adding 1290 does not make 21 million, but it does make them liars and likely adding 1290 is lie too. So I would trust more 21 million deaths because of there are facts behind this amount.

So, this is conjecture based on speculation.

Facts? Please share.

I don't deny they lie. I am reasonably certain there are more dead Chinese than they will (ever) admit. But...21 million? Stop with the fear, especially ungrounded speculation.

Or...share actual facts.
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Court
Posted on Friday, April 17, 2020 - 05:13 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

And, I wasn’t trying to be a smart ass about having the time.

I, and my team, are literally working 12 hours a day and keeping a $1B project on track for our new company.

Timing for all this ..... its a long story ..... could not have been better for me. We’re in the regulatory/permitting phase and are deemed “essential”. We’ve actually, working in 3 different countries, accelerated our work and all the Attorneys and regulators are working from home and undistracted. Just signed the contract documents, after 11 months of negotiation, at 4:12pm.

By 2023 I intend to try retiring again and stop starting companies .... then I’ll have time to watch the videos.
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Sifo
Posted on Friday, April 17, 2020 - 05:44 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Also it should be noted that a great number, if not the majority, are shipping (cargo) planes.

G


Not sure of the point you are trying to make here, but you do make the point that you have no idea what you are talking about. Just look at the lines of planes waiting to take off at a busy airport. Many more passenger than cargo, though much cargo is shipped on passenger flights. BTW, my wife, until a few years ago, happened to have been "the person" that the government and news papers would go to for these kinds of statistics whenever things get shaken up in air travel. The days after 9/11/01 were busy times for her. But feel free to try to support your ignorant statement.
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Ourdee
Posted on Friday, April 17, 2020 - 05:47 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

No time for you in 23, There are some stories we have been waiting for.
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Ourdee
Posted on Friday, April 17, 2020 - 05:49 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I'm waiting for my airbrush to get here. I'm going to learn something new.
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Tpehak
Posted on Friday, April 17, 2020 - 06:38 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

All hell broke loose when coronavirus broke loose from China
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Whisperstealth
Posted on Friday, April 17, 2020 - 09:13 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

TP, It didn't break loose. It was Intentionally sent out. That's MY belief anyway.
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Zac4mac
Posted on Friday, April 17, 2020 - 09:15 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Been busy lately, I’m gonna give a quick solution.
Turn Pyongyang into a glow-in-the-dark ashtray.

Two hours later, tell Shanghai they’re next.
And our Chinese debts are erased either way.

Bring it home
Z
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Ratbuell
Posted on Friday, April 17, 2020 - 09:38 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Problem with that Zac?

Nobody has the balls to do it.
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Tpehak
Posted on Friday, April 17, 2020 - 10:08 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

There is another way to save some TP. I resist to visit restroom until turd broke loose.
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Blake
Posted on Friday, April 17, 2020 - 10:10 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Tom,

Exponential, or linear phase?:


CCP-virus, Kung-Flu, Wuhan Plague Trajectory in the USA, Exponential or Linear Phase Now
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Blake
Posted on Friday, April 17, 2020 - 10:11 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I agree with Greg. Saw the fraudulent image on the video still shot, and moved on. Not worth the time to waste on it.
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Blake
Posted on Friday, April 17, 2020 - 10:19 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Update on the deaths per day and total cumulative mortality charts, now including NY and EU:


CCP has a lot of death on its hands
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Crusty
Posted on Friday, April 17, 2020 - 10:30 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

...And then the Quarterback laterals to the wide receiver...
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Sifo
Posted on Friday, April 17, 2020 - 11:10 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Tom,

Exponential, or linear phase?:


Oh, it's gone far closer to linear. And you question the fact that this happened pretty much exactly one incubation period after states started taking lock downs seriously? You really thing mitigation had nothing to do with this change?

I agree with Greg.

Seriously? The man showed incredible ignorance in two short posts. I'm sorry for your loss.
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Slaughter
Posted on Saturday, April 18, 2020 - 09:04 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Do with data what you will.

Proud to be playing a role in some specific work and are now joined by NASA:

We're trying to get enough hoods to the Navajo Nation in AZ to help. Just got the urgent word yesterday. They're working. They've also found that some patients respond to lying face-down with the oxygen hood without need for ventilator.

The Bridge Ventilator is being FDA reviewed on a fast-track. Went into production this week. https://www.virgin.com/news/virgin-orbit-share-ven tilator-progress

https://www.nasa.gov/feature/nasa-joins-california -team-to-develop-covid-19-solutions
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Sifo
Posted on Saturday, April 18, 2020 - 09:23 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Where we are now. Where we need to head. Why we will fail. An interesting look at the death rates too. Just ignore it if you don't want your apple cart upset.

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Hootowl
Posted on Saturday, April 18, 2020 - 10:36 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I watched the video before it was posted here. It was in my suggested list. The still is a split of the east coast and europe, before and after. Nothing deceptive about it. The video itself isn’t very interesting, but it certainly isn’t deceptive.
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Aesquire
Posted on Saturday, April 18, 2020 - 10:50 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Re: Pooh's Breath origins.

There are 3 probable origins.
In no particular order...
1. The usual piles of feces & rivers of mixed blood & urine in the Wet Markets that are a result of the Communist Party poor agricultural production & as an alternative way to get protein, owned by Communist Party rich as one of the profit making parts of their economy. ( which is why they've reopened, as they are a source of wealth for the Elite )

2. Accidental release from a level 4 biological warfare lab, because the funds were stolen by the Party Elite, and they frankly don't care how many peasants die.

3. Deliberate release from a level 4 lab, to both stop the protests threatening the Glorious God King's power, and screw the planetary economy, so China can hold it's position of economic dominance.

As far as our Domestic response and medical care goes, it makes zero difference which of the above is true. Zip.

As far as international relations goes, which of the 3 causes IS important, but only in a minor way.

No matter which is true, there's no justification for conventional, old school, war that kills lots of innocent people while the Elites are safe in their mansions. Not only do their Elite not particularly care how many peasants die, an external threat just gives them more power & wealth.

However, even if there was zero malice in the origins of Pooh's Breath, the actions of the Communist Party before & after this winter easily justify economic re-adjustments as far as incentives to bring the manufacturing and jobs for medical supplies back to the U.S., and also military & civilian electronics.

Although poorly made goods that have given China it's reputation... There's no way our domestic industry can compete, there. I doubt the American consumer will pay more for bad products. I think that's called market feedback. Thus, just Like always, competition will drive quality here. ( except in government programs, where bribery is the dominant factor )
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