| Author | Message | ||
     86129squids |
So, what's the deal with lisinopril and hydrochlorazide? Apparently they're used to control blood pressure and water retention, but my sweetie has been a rollercoaster since the first of April- about 30 minutes ago she was 73/43. F*. I think her doctor is a F*%cktard. | ||
| Glitch |
Don't wait to find out, get a 2nd opinion now. | ||
| Ourdee |
+1 on second opinion. Doctors call their business a practice. | ||
| Etennuly |
BP meds affect everyone differently. Drs have to guess as to which one might work for an individual with a minimum of side affects. That guess is usually a month long test on your own. When I had a similar extreme BP drop on a new medication I went back to the previous med until I could get back in to the Doc. Get her back in asap. That kind of drop can really mess with a person. | ||
| Aesquire |
get them to fix that. Seriously. Blood pressure meds have to be proper for that person. Too low is as bad as too high. Too high will kill you and wreck parts of you over time. Too low and you.... stop. Or fall over and hurt yourself. I do have one comment on Hydrochlorothiazide. Assuming that't the med you are talking about. When first on it, I went camping in hot summer. Every time I bent over to pound in a tent stake, I was fine. Stand up? Weeeeee! I'd almost pass out. Walking around, I'm ok. Bend over? not so much. Solution? The BOOK tells you to take it at least 4-6 hours before bedtime, to avoid the wake up. I just Take the drug when I go to bed, and just accept that I am going to be up at 4 am to tinkle. Your choice. Lisinopril is also a med that can cause heat issues. You can dehydrate, badly. And fall over when you stand up. ( and keep in mind, the Hydrocholothiazide is a "water pill" that tries to slightly dehydrate you to relieve excess fluid, so it's a double whammy.) Short form, Drink plenty of water. Booze can lower your blood pressure extra, so, use moderation. And if she's Pregnant, or nursing, DON'T. Stop use immediately and call the doc to get a new med. There are other "don't take it" cases. Some drugs react badly with it, and there could be tummy troubles. RTFM. But neither drug is "Bad", they just need to be balanced to the individual. It can take time to get a combo that works for her. My Mother had a hard time getting a combo that works for her. I didn't find anything wrong in the advice given above. Get this fixed, have some patience. It can take some time to find the right mix. Absolutely get a second opinion if your •••••• doc is insistent that he's right. | ||
| Njloco |
Organic celery juice, 16 oz, first thing in the morning, don't eat for an hour, also gets rid of a host of other things. | ||
| 86129squids |
Thanks guys... so far today she's absolutely spot on for GOOD blood pressure. There are a couple other things that might have factored in the past few days- Saturday, in our eternal wisdom, we had a yard sale. All the hard work and sweat netted a bit over $40. She drank a LOT of water, and we moved around a bunch of junk to not sell it... and Thursday, she made chorizo empanadas after we'd been eating on the sausage for 2 days already- then I brought home an order of our favorite hot wings, which we ate kinda late. So, Friday her BP spiked, we worked our butts off for nothing Saturday, and Sunday she bottomed out for BP. Like I said, she's fine today. One of my managers at work said that in the beginning, it's just a learning game- try, fail, try again, tune it in. I just hate seeing her either high/low and bummed out both ways. Heck, I've been type 1 diabetic most of my life and it seems easier to handle than what she's dealing with now. NJ, I'll look into the celery juice, thanks. This is a learning curve, fo sho. | ||
| Aesquire |
You are not alone. You may switch meds a dozen times. Humans are all different ( like everyone else  ) & different drugs hit folk different. I'm glad I don't love grapefruit. It either amps up or turns way down the effect of a huge number of drugs. Totally idiosyncratic response from person to person. Grapefruit can make the same BP drug not work on one person & work too well for another. RTFM Also, while the drugs may mess with your wife, notice that you now pay much more attention to her BP. It may seem freaky now but it's likely she had nearly as wild a variation before, but never noticed because it went from a little high to a lot. You don't really feel that. Not like the dizzy reaction to low. That doesn't help much but gives a little perspective. ( It's why installing a useless mileage toy on your car improves mileage. You drive differently when you think about mileage. ...... so you perceive results when the cow magnets are a hoax. ) | ||
| H0gwash |
Blood pressure is difficult to measure because it constantly fluctuates within the body normally responding to volume of liquid in the body, activity, etc. Might be best to always take blood pressure at a certain time of day to cancel out daily variation. If you consider a closed system of tubing with water in it, a certain volume of water will cause a certain amount of pressure on the tubing. If you remove some of that water (as in, taking a pee) the pressure on the system drops. This is basically how hydrochlorothiazide works. It works by making you pee a lot. | ||
| 86129squids |
Hmmm... I asked my chef about celery juice, and he said you can cure meat with dried celery powder instead of that pink salt... And, I now use a bug spray that uses a very low concentration of soybean oil to F* up the ants and bugs around here. Thanks again for the input. My manager told me what he uses and likes, when I get around to looking at the note I wrote, I'll post. | ||
| Aesquire |
http://scibabe.com/ Be more than skeptical about "organic" claims. That stuff will kill you. Like being told bee pollen will cure arthritis. Because bees don't get arthritis. They also don't have bones. | ||
| Njloco |
Ae, your a pretty smart guy, I'm really surprised that you would say something so ignorant! My wife , not considered an expert by any formal trained medical people would run rings around anything you come up with, she has probably been responsible for curing more people than you're present doctor ! This also includes me. So bring it on, let the games begin. I am an open heart patient, they told me if I didn't take a their drugs everday, I would die, It's been 8 years since I came off their so called life support drugs and, I'm still waiting to die. The doctor in the trauma center I was taken to after my motorcycle accident, couldn't believe my bone density, she also didn't believe I was 66 years old at that time, my orthopedic couldn't believe my broken wrist healed with out pins being installed, the list goes on. I myself have seen first hand what just food and herbs can do. I have an old guy ( yes older than myself ) that I just gave the name of a book too, just three months later he no longer had high blood pressure, sleep apnoea, and ............... was no longer a type two diabetic ! You want more, I have them, you want to talk to the people, that can be arranged ! Yeah go ahead and totally depend on the medical profession , I laugh, let me know how that works out. I can't carry on a debate on here, it's too much work but, time will tell, this is not the first time the gauntlet has been thrown down. I work with thousands of people, there are about 300 that followed this for all different human ailments, they all had or are having excellent results, sleep apnea, arthritis, rumatoid arthritis, type two diabetes, sinus infections, food poisoning, kidney stones, weight loss, high cholesterol, etc. I used to feel bad for people that totally depended on the medical industry, I figured it's really too bad that they have no clue, now I just feel pity for them. The best of luck to you, what ever you decide to do. Just remember, you were led to water. (Message edited by njloco on June 13, 2017) | ||
| Aesquire |
What, you want me to argue that eating good food, not too much of it, and living an active life isn't better than taking medication to control messed up body chemistry? Nope. Not an idiot. Obviously if you don't let yourself get fat, lay around playing video games instead of moving, and smoke 3 packs of cigarettes a day, you are better off. And, yes, there are some very useful herbs. While there are many moderns meds that are literally constructed molecules, the bulk of medicine for the last 10,000 years is picking which natural product might help the patient. In fact, they are still practicing to figure that out. And recent DNA studies show proof of what many have said for years, that NO drug is a cure all for all people. Our variations in chemistry are so wild that you have to tune the stuff you give people, on an individual basis... Which modern institutionalized medicine is Not good at. I know, my Father was a Pharmaceutical detail man, going from doctor's office to office, pimping the latest... or the still patent protected drugs. I have no illusions about the industry. It's not evil, like the leftist anti-capitalists say, but it's not Holy either. Now, let's look at the other side of the equation. The "food supplement" industry has a horrible record for selling poison to people and "lying with disclaimers" all the time. They promise ( say ) Celeric root will cure hives, cancer, impotence, and bad breath, and in small print on the back of the label that they make no claims at all and nothing is approved, sucker. Now, it's possible that some celeric root is just what some people need to help balance their chemistry when they need it. Be a nice help. But there's no way except sometimes lethal self experimentation to find that out... Because if they did know what it helped, and who it fixed up, the Pharmaceutical folk would be selling it for far more money and require a prescription... because for every person it was great for, there's another it messes up... and that's cynical, but do you disagree? Then we have the problem of the regulations.... or lack thereof. I'm not big on government control over everything. Far from it. But when you walk into Walmart, or Holistic Purity Harmony shop, and pick up a bottle of celeric root pills, you have no idea what's in the bottle. Last year the AG of NY, a guy I despise on some subjects, had 3/4 of the "supplement" shelves at Walmart emptied, because he'd had a bunch of stuff tested, and it was fake. I mean sawdust, and prescription medication mixed in, and not what was on the label at all. Diet pills with speed. Frankly, I don't trust any "organic" pills to be what's on the label, and am properly distrustful of pills from long term "normal" drug companies. Doesn't mean that taking Glucosomething sulfate won't fix your arthritis. It might. I took it. Then I talked to multiple doctors, and the most honest said it was a decent placebo, at worst, does some good, at best, and that I should stop, since the other drug he put me on makes it's useless, pity about that. Hey, I thought it helped. Until it no longer did. I make no claims to medical wisdom. I'm a first aid kinda guy. I'm good for getting you, alive, to the pros who can fix you. The only drug I've ever TOLD someone to take was aspirin. ( I've given away a lot of "fighter candy" ( advil ) I bring a party jar to martial arts events. Free for adults, help yourself, your adult responsibility. ) So your sainted Wife, the undocumented expert, probably does have much more experience with internal medicine that I have. I know my limits. If they are still breathing when I hand them over to the Ambulance, I count that a win. I'd love to be more healthy and take the right natural products. It's really hard to pick out the good stuff from the crap though. The shelves are full of useless, and even fatally harmful "natural" crap. "Natural" and "Organic" are such over used advertising crap that both now mean, "rip off" to me. And the near religious fanatics and con men dominate the field. Internet social media advice on natural medicine can be literally insane. See the Science Babe article on when she posted a meme that donuts were better than Meth. People argued with her. Seriously. You want to talk about other aspects of Alt-med I'd be happy to. For example, I'm annoyed that my insurance costs me more because some lobby bribed some politicians to make me pay for aromatherapy. Smelling stuff certainly can improve your mood. No argument. Maybe I'm overly cynical about being charged a thousand dollars to have some guy burn incense. I'd like medicine to be more Holistic. But Holistic Medicine has been poisoned for many by the con men. BTW, Celery juice? Sounds healthy. What's it good for? Can I make my own? Does it have to be "organic"? Can I buy Pepsi brand grown in hydroponic trays in old closed malls with "better living through chemistry" fertilizer and get the same effect? Or does the magic spell require the use of the word Organic? | ||
| Aesquire |
Just remember, you were led to water. No I was not. I was told that another had great wisdom, and has helped many, and I should listen. Assured there is water out there. I sure could be overly cynical on the gigantic, highly profitable, poorly regulated, and fanatically defended Health Stuff Industry. The fact that they use lawyers, lobbyists, and social media bots to defend, protect, and enhance their profits, just like the companies that sell Ritalin might be an influence on me. Yep, GM & Honda do it too. Seriously, If celery juice can help me lose weight and get off all my meds, I'm all for it. I'd love to heal faster in 6 years than I do now. I don't even care if it's approved by the Medical Shaman Association. I'm cynical about them too. | ||
| Njloco |
Well, let's see, where to start ? Your a martial arts guys, must be active ? Right ! Probably eat very well and healthy, right, so what's the problem ? Like I said, it's a lot of trouble for me to post up on this site, so if your going to be long winded, don't expect a long response. By the way, I'm sure there are no fakes or rip off artists in the martial arts world ! | ||
| Aesquire |
Your a martial arts guys, must be active ? Right ! Probably eat very well and healthy, right, so what's the problem ? 2 knee replacement surgeries, and several years of chronic pain and slow motion crippling descent into broken, and I'm a lot heavier than I was 2 years ago. I'd worked my way down to 210 pounds, ( on the way to 190, my goal, ) and was quite pleased when I couldn't walk 5 miles a day anymore, and started gaining. Now instead of losing a pound a week, and keeping it off, I've lost ground and am just holding with twice the distance to go. I did go from walker to cane in one week, for each knee, and cane to nothing in another. I still carry one in the car in case I need to play little old man and still be well armed. ( and I don't fool any of my friends. ) Fakes? Ha! Organic or AMA approved, there's plenty of fake. There is real on both sides. The difference is testing. Many drugs have been recalled. How many times have 3/4 of a shelf been taken away because they didn't contain the ingredients listed? Remind me to tell you about the real, prescription drug that was sold under two names by two different companies, for years, in competition. Before someone figured out they were the exact same thing. Not part of the clinical trials, so no one noticed. So.... I'll be more short winded. Celery juice? Is Grocery store brand good, or should I juice it myself? | ||
| H0gwash |
Maybe you're talking about Prilosec (omeprazole) and Nexium (esomeprazole) ? | ||
| Aesquire |
Nope, but good guess. | ||
| Njloco |
"Celery juice? Is Grocery store brand good, or should I juice it myself?" Definitely not good enough, if you have a juicer ( preferably the crushing type ) yes by all means juice it yourself. Find a good organic place to shop, juice it first thing in the morning, 16 ounces before eating anything, don't eat for an hour. Also for the knees, you can try something made by Forces of Nature called Nerve Pain Formula, little hint, one drop goes a long way ! I'll try and PM you my cell number, I'll text you other info that will definitely help you. | ||
| Zac4mac |
to digress from the distractions, I take those meds. Hydrochlorothiazide is a diuretic but so is the coffee I drink all day and the beer in the evening. The Lisinopril is the typical first med for high pressure. I take them Mon-Fri and skip the weekends. Summer, especially, my BP gets really low taking the pills every day. Way too much hand waving here..... | ||
| Aesquire |
Zac, other than keeping the weight down and not smoking, I don't know what you do to keep the BP "normal". You'd think if there was a magic regime of exercise and diet that made us healthy, someone would be selling it. In fact lots of the "herbal" stuff are very potent drugs to change your chemistry. Ditto foods. ( If you eat them is there a difference? ) ( Waves hands frantically) I'd feel a lot better if I knew the reason WHY Celery juice form the Piggly Wiggly, ( If I can buy it there ) is no good and the stuff I juice at home from an organic garden protected by wiccan spells is good? ( There can be a simple answer, like Grocery Store Celery Juice is Pasteurized, which wrecks flavor and potency... I'm just guessing. ) | ||
| Njloco |
You will find out, for better or worse, I am very straight forward on a phone, on a computer, or in person. There is no reason or way to sell it,i t is so simple that it's ridiculous, problem is, one must have a set of balls to actually do it ! Example, AE, first thing your doing before you even fully check into it is, trying to find ways around the actual recommendation ! " Oh, why can't I get it from the grocery store " or " can't I just go buy the store bought crap " did you ever to think, maybe that's why the stuff you tried did not work ? In my humble opinion your problem, starts with you but that is usually the case with all of us, yes including me. Had I known what I know now back in 2009, I never would have let them open me up to do bypass surgery for the widow maker that I had, because I could have cleaned it out just by eating certain food. My blood pressure is 97/63, no meds at all for anything, and yes, I'm older than you. You have a PM from yesterday ! | ||
| Aesquire |
Please, Please, don't take my comments personally. I'm openly, honestly, and I think rightly, cynical about the whole "organic" movement, since there's a lot of money in cheating people and it's being made. "Food Supplements" can be most useful, ( ask any body builder ) or deadly, ( ask any Emergency Room ) and it takes research to know which. I'm pretty certain that most of the shelf of pills at walmart is either useless, or harmful in large doses. ( Vitamin E is deadly in large doses, and you need it to live .... ditto water ) As an aside, probably the most dangerous stuff I keep in my house, besides household & automotive cleaning supplies, is the big bottle of Tylenol on the shelf that was the only pain med allowed me at one time, besides narcotics, by my surgeon. ( I don't like to take narcotics ) I have lots of EMT friends, and Tylenol stories are almost always heart breaking. I appreciate you not pimping "Harbor Freight ( or whatever ) Brand snake oil. It makes you much more credible. Consider the informational and credibility differences between these 2 statements. "You should try Organic sour cherry juice for gout" and "Sour cherry juice can help with gout. I recommend fresh pressed, and unpasteurized, and much prefer the stuff from the health food store, as the grocery store stuff is made from huge vats of uncertain age, and may have extra sugar and be so processed there's little good left in it." Both statements are true, and while one is quite wordy... it gives more information. ( Fresh is better, implies useful volatile ingredients, and the Grocery store stuff may be more soda pop than fruit juice ) I haven't tried any celery juice yet. Willing to try. ( what can it hurt? Liver failure? Didn't know Cajun cooking was that deadly  ) ps. I may not get PMs. Not being intentionally rude. My phone, that I post on a lot ( hence the "form" instead of "from" auto correct typos ) isn't set up for e-mail. ( and does no financial stuff at all. holds no credit card numbers etc. ) Also won't play youtube videos posted here. My living room computer won't get e-mail either. I blame microsoft. Never the SO, or my Incompetence, oh, no. Microsoft. It's all Bill Gates fault. My basement computer ( in the man cave ) does get email... but wont show youtube video at all on this website on Chrome. Chrome isn't even supported anymore on Windows XP, which I use on the Pit Of Shadows computer so I can use it to play older games and software. ( IE will show the youtube stuff from here... but only an idiot would use IE on an XP machine in 2017 ) So don't feel bad if I don't reply to a PM. I also don't reply to anything on Facebook. I was told I needed a page to see all the wonders my friends are posting, and that's true. I just don't actually look at "my page"... maybe for weeks. I don't post there, and I don't have time to read it all, so I ignore it. Feel free to call me a luddite. I no doubt will have to upgrade to Microsoft auto break 10 when I build the next computer. ( which will have parts no one wrote DOS or XP drivers for ) Or maybe Ubuntu. | ||
| 86129squids |
You guys are funny/awesome! Fun times reading the back/forth... Update- Yesterday evening I grilled burgers, dogs and some big green onions, my sweetie re-heated some zucchini casserole and pasta salad, YUMMM! Laid some killer blue cheese on my burgers, some Havarti on others, a couple plain burgers with nada. We ate later than we expected, waiting for a couple latecomers... She got up this morning and it was running kinda high, up to 153/95, but since then it's come down to good numbers. We drink French roast that we grind here, and she does smoke ciggies, but not to excess. What we've learned so far is that she shouldn't eat too late in the evening, and obviously to watch the salt. She's still got both the 25mg and 12.5 mg, decided to go with the smaller dosage as needed, today she took the smaller one. She's about 140#, so a bit chunky but still a small woman. And, we have one of those pill splitter thingies... And, here's this- I've talked with one of my managers at work, he's about my size (200ish#) and more than 10 years younger than me. He takes "Losartin" at 12.5mg, LOVES it, and said when he was on the lisinopril/diuretic compounded pill, he HATED it, couldn't tolerate it. Anyone know about that stuff? Holla. Juicers: I've never really seen the need, we just buy the average OJ and sometimes those 100% juice blends. Being diabetic, I've always been careful/mindful of sugar content (HAATE those juice "cocktails")... but, celery and other veggies that could be juiced, I dunno about that stuff. Of course juicers are trendy now- should I start looking for one? Again, thanks all! One more reason BW'ers are superkewl!  | ||
| Njloco |
I never take it personally and I hope not to give that impression. I should have died from a massive heart attack but was lucky to complain to my wife about a slight tingly feeling in my hands, no other symptoms of any kind. I was hunting in the mountains of Maine less than three weeks prior, and had an annual physical two weeks prior, I could jog/walk for miles with no problem. Some big doctors in NYC were pretty amazed that they did indeed find something wrong with me, one clogged artery. I was never one to take meds, but after the surgery and recovery (which was hell!) They told me I had to take meds for the rest of my life, I stopped a short time after, changed my life style and never looked back. Squids, you and your wife are playing with fire ? HBP is nothing to fool with, if I were you I would just give in and take meds. I say this due to what you eat, I don't think you'd be able to control your addictions and don't feel bad about this, as most people can't and that's why the pharmaceutical companies are so rich. AE, I took the arts also, your of a different mind set and I think you could do it, not comparing here just visual facts. We just need to figure out a way of communicating. | ||
| Hootowl |
"Anyone know about that stuff?" I take that every morning. I was on lisinopril for a long time, but I found that it dried my mouth out so much that I was waking up several times a night to drink water, and then several more times per night to pee. I've been on losartan for about a year now. It still dries me out, but not nearly as much. They both inhibit the same function, but lisinopril works from one side of it, and losartan works from the other. | ||
| Ducley |
They started me on Lisinopril. The first hot day at work and I couldn't carry the GPS backpack. Surveys, 10 years ago, ish. So the boss n I swapped and I ran the hammer. Half an hour later I was on my hands and knees and I couldn't even pick up the hammer. Vision was washed out like pupils were dilated. Boss sent me to my truck to sit in the shade with the AC on. Half an hour after that I was starting to feel better but not great. Wife freaked out when I told her. No more of that crap n got me a new appt with the doc. They switched me to Losartan and its been great ever since. | ||
| Njloco |
You know, it's kind of funny and don't take this the wrong way but, think about it ? Did those of you who have high blood pressure have it your whole life ! Or is your body telling you something ! Those of you taking meds long term, are sadly in for a rude awakening. Best of luck to all of you, I hope things work out. | ||
| Hootowl |
My high blood pressure is related to the weight I put on when my thyroid took a crap. And also related to my thyroid taking a crap. | ||
| 86129squids |
Update: My sweetie is now at Horseshoe Casino, playing the penny slots with her best buddy. They have figured out how to make it a "free" trip, what with comp rooms, comp food, gas $$$ from recycling, and such. Stress relief, so to speak. And, apparently I'd not mentioned that she was born in the Dominican Republic, and most of her relatives lived into their 80's and on, several past the century. All this crap precipitated after 3/27, when her best bud's fiancée died (a brother to me as well) and everyone's stress went to the moon. Heck- as long as she has a good time, laughs a lot, comes home safely, hopefully with a shit ton of money. Yeah, not holding my breath. In the meantime, she's watching her BP assiduously. |
