| Author | Message | ||
     7873jake |
There is a small company in central Fla building vehicles with "the most amazing arrays of antennas atop them". NYC has some of our work. DC too. Richmond, Calvert County MD, Atlanta, Chicago, NY State agencies. Yep, there's a lot of rolling stock out there with the most amazing arrays of antennas and cameras and other bits.  | ||
| Aesquire |
So just checking here, on what we agree are the facts. The RR driver may have panicked, his actions were probably justified, and some of these group riders that seems to have initiated the violence was engaged in illegal/damn rude behavior on our roads. Right? We vary a bit in our opinion of how justified he was in the initial run-over shown on the first video, but his running away actions after that seem reasonable and non violent, even if not successful. Right? There is No doubt it was mob and/or vigilante action on the group riders when they assaulted the RR driver. ( at the end of the video ) Right? And at this point we're arguing about how violent an action we think is justifiable in self defense, in the situation we believe happened. Right? ( a subject that I think is a worthy one, and have opinions on, but am interested in yours, 'cause I could be wrong ) That sound about right? | ||
| Rah7777777 |
http://oppositelock.jalopnik.com/the-footage-that- the-nyc-bikers-didnt-want-you-to-see-1435594427 This link is posted above..... All I can say is wow!! Freaking idiots!!! Only thing the range rover guy did wrong was to pull down a road with that much traffic while they were chasing him (which obviously wasn't planned). I wish he could have made it to a police station.... | ||
| Court |
NYPD Internal Affairs is now investigating as there were 6 NYPD cops and correction officers in the group. http://nypost.com/2013/10/04/undercover-cop-stood- by-as-bikers-beat-dad/ | ||
| Mr_grumpy |
I like the way the paralysed guy's lawyer says "He was attempting to defuse the situation." | ||
| Rocket_in_uk |
Can I just add, for a little clarity, my comments were not meant to criticise the efforts of any law enforcement involved here, and in no way was it my intention to suggest the UK boys in blue are better, more efficient or more thorough. I were just making the point, we are an island nation where no one is ever more than sixty odd miles from the sea and likely no more than sixty odd meters from a camera, and as such our road policing is taken very seriously. There's good reason for this from the police's perspective. Technology allows them like no time before to monitor and often capture criminals through their use of the road network. Thus roads are now targeted by police not just for motoring related offenses, but anything and everything. Another aspect of law enforcement here which has been used successfully to convict bike riders who commit offenses is identifying them by just the clothing they are wearing. It's great to see many of those involved in the NY incident are being captured. They need to be as the world is able to watch the world also needs to know this is not what biking is about. Thankfully I'm confident biking for the whole has not been damaged by a few idiots who were present in that group. Rocket in England | ||
| D_adams |
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. That dumb-ass shouldn't have even been out there, no valid operator/mc license. | ||
| D_adams |
Police state? Have you watched the movie "V" yet? I can't imagine being so restricted in movement and choices I could make. Glad I'm here and not there, I'll keep my guns and freedom. | ||
| Pwnzor |
(I was at the testing grounds for a demo run before it was deployed on my ship) Airbozo, I went with my dad on a sea trial of the BB63 in 1986 during the final phase of it's recommissioning. My ears are still ringing from the test firing of the Phalanx system. Back on topic... I'm really not surprised there were cops in the group. Every large biker group seems to have them, Hells Angels, Mongols and Vagos included. I see the Hells Angels have condemned this attack. | ||
| Lynrd |
I was hoping to see a good ol' fashioned Sonny Barger press release like he did when he volunteered the club for action in Vietnam. That article doesn't even make clear if the person interviewed is a patchholder - he's described as "one biker who was hanging out at the Hells Angels’ East Village headquarters Thursday". So, maybe just a hangaround. I honestly don't see a patchholder saying "I don't condone violence". Really?? Gee whiz, I had it all wrong... Still, I will call it - HA - 1 AMA - 0 | ||
| Reepicheep |
One of the things I was observing on my two trips to London was how they did the security / police thing... They did it pretty damn well. So while I'm not entirely comfortable with their ability to track and monitor (these are powerful tools that scale well, so as good as they can do good they could also do evil REALLY well), I will say that in exchange for the loss of privacy, you got a pretty nice experience in the city as a result, at least in London. Now when I was in Sutton, and it was a Sunday night after the shops were closing and I was trying to find a stupid power adapter for my laptop, a lot of my "situational awareness" alarms were tripping, though nothing I couldn't avoid. I don't know if that was just cultural unfamiliarity, or if it really was a good situation for me to be a little extra cautious. | ||
| Reducati |
how long before jessie jackson gets involved? | ||
| Sifo |
Run over by a "white-asian"? | ||
| Reepicheep |
Close Sifo, "a rich white* guy". (* white asian) | ||
| Mr_grumpy |
I see a member of the Swiss chapter of HA on the road pretty regularly when the weather's nice. Usually between Lausanne & Geneva on the motorway, he rides a spotlessly clean metalflake orange coloured bagger/glide. It's got loudish straight pipes & he rides it pretty hard (for a bagger & a swiss), but by no means does he look scary, even with the patch on his back. | ||
| Slaughter |
Sifo - careful with the thinly-veiled racial comments. Some of my best friends are white and we now have a Caucasian-African President so you see - gotta be careful with those insults. | ||
| Dcc46 |
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| 86129squids |
Nice try there buddy, but none of those Pzzunks bothered to put on gear like that. If you could photochop one wearing his helmet like a hat, with a bootylicious skank hanging off the back, THAT would be more realistic.  | ||
| Ferris_von_bueller |
It appears some of those involved are cops http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2445011/5- duty-NYPD-officers-bikers-involved-Edwin-Mieses-Jr -SUV-attack.html | ||
| Two_seasons |
Now being called a "motorcycle rally". Yeah, right  | ||
| Sifo |
I guess thugs just aren't very bright, incriminating themselves on social media...  | ||
| Rcinclt |
http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/beatdown-suspe ct-shows-class-act-rude-gesture-suv-attack-arraign ment-article-1.1478038 Looks like he feels really bad for what happened.... | ||
| Sifo |
I really have to wonder about the cops that were with this group. I know that at least one was undercover, claiming he couldn't do anything at the time without blowing cover. I can possibly understand that. The rest? None of them said anything for days though! There is zero excuse for that. Even for the undercover cop. Check in when you get a chance and spill what you know. These douche bags engaged in cover up. They need to be kicked right off the force. | ||
| Sifo |
From the guy on the white bike that did the brake check in front of the RR...
http://gma.yahoo.com/christopher-cruz-biker-charge d-suv-attack-says-hes-152732705--abc-news-topstori es.html?vp=1 Has the seen the video? | ||
| Slaughter |
My only comment is that just because "WE" don't know what statements the undercover cops made to the police investigators doesn't mean that statements weren't made. I don't think that undercover cops are obligated to PUBLISH every statement they make to investigators. Just because I don't know what was said doesn't mean it wasn't said. | ||
| Hootowl |
Deny, deny, deny. Hey, why not? It works for politicians. | ||
| Sifo |
My only comment is that just because "WE" don't know what statements the undercover cops made to the police investigators doesn't mean that statements weren't made. I don't think that undercover cops are obligated to PUBLISH every statement they make to investigators. Just because I don't know what was said doesn't mean it wasn't said. Fair point. I'm making my assessment on reporting such as this... "The unidentified cop came forward four days after the harrowing incident — which was captured on camera and became a viral video that has gotten millions of hits — and Internal Affairs is investigating." I have to assume that he "came forward" to the police department, not the media. So I also assume that the fact that he came forward after 4 days came from the police department. I doubt he would be put on leave and being investigated had he come forward with his information ASAP. So true, we don't know what statement was made. We have however, been given a time frame. | ||
| Old_guy |
It's the mantra for all the thugs, "Admit nothing, deny everything, demand proof". It was the same in DC back when I was a cop, until their lawyer saw the video of the hand to hand with an undercover and the lawyer knew the thug was facing 10 years mandatory minimum. Some have written about using a firearm in that situation, but after seeing the video, I would have to say, that even if I was armed I would have done as he did. With my wife and child in the vehicle it's not worth the risk when several of the thugs may have been armed as well. | ||
| Old_guy |
As a side note, as a former federal Narcotics cop, I have used the surveillance vehicles written about earlier in the thread and I will say this, if they want to watch you, you cannot hide anywhere except in your home, behind closed blinds or curtains. And if extra legal means are used not even there. | ||
| Sifo |
So not only did the undercover cop not tell his superiors that he was there for four days, now it's coming out that video shows him hitting the SUV! This guy is the worst of the worst. He is a wolf cloaked as a sheepdog. He deserves to be treated as such. EDIT: Forgot the link... Biker cop joined in SUV beatdown, hit vehicle (Message edited by SIFO on October 08, 2013) (Message edited by SIFO on October 08, 2013) |
